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If you're seeking realism GO ON YOUR WAY. You've been warned, all comment stating : that's not realist will be deleted.If you're commenting without bothering reading the description, maybe I should delete your comment too ?
I'm pretty patient, but not to the point of answering the same question 10th time, okay ?
Looks like some people didn't bother to look for part 2 :Β
Once and for all : the normal or Average CHANGE DEPENDING THE COUNTRY YOUR FROM.
Something could be skinny for you but normal for others. On the contrary what you consider normal could be considered fat by someone else.Β
I'm especially talking to those affected by countries invaded by Junk Food.
THIS IS WHAT I ( and french doctors ) CONSIDER AS THE NORMS : Woman : 1m63 and 63kg ( Men: 1m75 and 77kg ) . It's the average of the woman population etablished by INSEE ( national institute of statistics and economics studies )
It also vary from each individual depending on your education.
Now that this is done, I've made that "chart" because the difference in what my commissioner ask and what I understand can be a problem.
- Model : What I use for fashion design.
- Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for.
- Meaty : That's what I call chubby, plump and the kind. It's NOT fat. I always start by adding "fat" on the hips and thighs, that's were woman usually start to store it but it depends on your character metabolism and genetic
- Athletic : I'm not really into drawing athletic women. Breasts are lump of fat, your characters are unlikely to have huge breast if they do lots of sports but it also depends on the sports, metabolism and genetic.
Those are the "base" of each category. When you can start seeing the difference between all those.
If I feel like it then I'll develop each category , although I won't go into extremes
Don't repost, don't trace ect ... If you wish to use those as base it's only for non-commercial work and you HAVE TO credit me.
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Comments: 373
rika-dono In reply to ??? [2015-08-11 11:09:26 +0000 UTC]
I never said that so there is no point in your comment, you most probably misunderstood something.
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lurd-lord In reply to rika-dono [2015-08-11 11:16:29 +0000 UTC]
The third ones caption is heavy, even tough it's a perfectly normal body shape and probably close to ideal weight.
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rika-dono In reply to lurd-lord [2015-08-11 11:20:20 +0000 UTC]
it's not heavy, it's meaty
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lurd-lord In reply to rika-dono [2015-08-12 09:10:02 +0000 UTC]
Ooookay, then sorry, forget what I said ._. Great art btw
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llalalsoososooaa In reply to Ninboner [2015-08-11 08:44:22 +0000 UTC]
No, there all different.
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Susiron [2015-08-11 04:48:30 +0000 UTC]
The third one is a bit fat (though not significantly, since there isn't a lot of diversity between the body sizes)-- and there is nothing wrong with that!
"Meaty", "chubby", and "plump" are all really tricky ways to sneak around the infamous and much-avoided word "fat".Β
Please don't be afraid of calling "plump" women fat. There is nothing wrong with being fat! People are fat, it's not a death sentence or negative to describe them as such.
You have a nice and fluid style, but you might really benefit from studying different body types. These sketches are nice in of themselves, but they don't seem to depict different body types so much as minor alterations to a single body shape. Some more diversity could really add intrigue to your already well-defined style
I know you've said that you're not interested in realism, but even the most stylized drawings have a means to their madness. You don't have to draw realistically to depict accurate and diverse proportions in your artwork.
Other than your "meaty" build, your "athletic" body build also has broad room to show diversity. Technically there are many, many different athletic builds (swimmers, body builders, track runners, etc), but one thing most of these builds share in common is that they are well-toned and/or muscular. An athletic woman is unlikely to be stick-thin and shaped like an hour glass since constant exercise builds a lot of muscle. If someone isn't eating a lot while burning calories, they risk injury. Depending on what activities she participates in, an athletic woman might have very thick thighs, or a large upper body, or well-defined upper arms, etc. Being healthy and well-exercised is not always, nor will it ever be, inherently linked to being incredibly skinny.
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Ellions In reply to Susiron [2015-08-11 10:29:21 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't call it fat, since the fat on her is not evenly distributed. If it was it would be a bit chubby. (My idea of chubby is the stage before you become fat).
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Susiron In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 18:36:27 +0000 UTC]
Chubby and fat are synonyms.
I would agree with you if the torso was scaled better with the legs (honestly, if she just scaled that torso up it would look the most average) but since the legs are drastically larger than the small torso, I would still call it a bit fat (in the same way that a man with a thick gut but skinnier arms and legs would still be considered a bit fat).
She did a better job of showing the torso more proportionate to those legs in these drawings-Β rika-dono.deviantart.com/art/Sβ¦
Those legs are completely average when applied to a more fitting torso, but appear very large as is. It's just like how if you draw a proportionate set of legs and then make the feet smaller, the legs are going to look fat within the confines of the drawing when you compare them to the tiny feet.Β
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Ellions In reply to Susiron [2015-08-11 18:51:15 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I see your point, and I have to agree.
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xxWOLFSTORMxx [2015-08-11 00:13:17 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry if you already have but do you think you can release a detailed video on how to draw women's breasts. Big and small , with and without clothes. I like to draw my own characters but when it comes to women I'm terrible.
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YvaineIrons In reply to ??? [2015-08-10 21:22:03 +0000 UTC]
I want to be an athletic body type D:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_n6kiβ¦
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Dmitriev0 [2015-08-10 20:23:59 +0000 UTC]
If you don't like this one you can still check the second part which is way better
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ZeGoldenRabbit [2015-08-10 16:44:18 +0000 UTC]
very lovely <3
But I doub that the people screaming "They look all the same!!", are artists (no matter ifΒ hobbyist or professional).
An artist should be able to tell the differences. Or it's an artist with a very bad eye for details.
MyΒ favorite one is Meaty, I really love her curves ^-^
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Ellions [2015-08-10 15:16:00 +0000 UTC]
I'm not going to complain about your art style. But I wouldn't call these different body types. More like different weights. It looks like the same woman with different amount of weight on her. Bodytypes mean that you change shapes and not just weight.
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Thedaronobsessor In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 01:32:08 +0000 UTC]
I'm not sure if I'd even say different weights, they looks almost identical to me. The third one just has slightly bigger hips.Β
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Ellions In reply to Thedaronobsessor [2015-08-11 10:24:57 +0000 UTC]
It's sort of an exaggerated, extremely stylised pearshape. Where all the bodyfat escapes the upperbody area and just hangs on the hips and legs. The biggest problem I have with the "meaty" one is that NONE of the fat went to the stomach. I am a pearshape and most of my bodyfat is on my legs and hips, but it does not escape my stomach. Even if it is a stylised body, you can still give some realism to shapes and where fat goes.
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Thedaronobsessor In reply to Ellions [2015-08-13 05:36:25 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, perhaps they are still learning to diversify their drawings, I know I am. They are otherwise a wonderful artist, and you art too! Very nice work
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Ellions In reply to Thedaronobsessor [2015-08-13 10:08:50 +0000 UTC]
They seem to know that already, if you look through some of their art, but maybe you're right.
Thank you.
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kiwii-marshmallow In reply to Thedaronobsessor [2015-08-11 03:34:32 +0000 UTC]
Yep. Sad really. Also that normal is next to healthy it is implying that the normal is an unhealthy body type.
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Thedaronobsessor In reply to kiwii-marshmallow [2015-08-13 05:35:42 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I agree, although they probably didn't mean it like that.Β
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arisark In reply to kiwii-marshmallow [2015-08-11 03:46:38 +0000 UTC]
Thecreatorsaidthedrawingsweren'trealisticherself,soyeah
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Ellions In reply to arisark [2015-08-11 10:27:38 +0000 UTC]
Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art.
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Altean-Prince In reply to Ellions [2015-08-13 02:36:31 +0000 UTC]
The whiteknighting is real (not u)
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arisark In reply to Ellions [2015-08-12 03:32:47 +0000 UTC]
Also, they said from where they live, that's what they consider body types to be. How does their opinion effect you?
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DearRyoku In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 22:49:16 +0000 UTC]
Of she's happy with not improving her art, FINE; that doesn't maker her less artist or not a real artist. She's friggin' HAPPY the way she has her style. So FRIGGIN STOP telling her that is just because she doesn't want to improve her art.
I love improving my art but I respect those who are okay with their art; AND THAT'S SOMETHING ALL OF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
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Ellions In reply to DearRyoku [2015-08-11 22:51:35 +0000 UTC]
You should never stop improving your art.
I'm not telling her to change her art.
You should really learn to read.
Where in my comment do you see me saying that she's not a real artist?
And my comment was not directed at the artist, but at the comment that I replied to.
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DearRyoku In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 22:58:45 +0000 UTC]
And I never put something about telling you to stop saying to her that she should change her art.
"Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art."
You actually say it.
I say to STOP saying that dumb thing of "an artist should always/must have improve their art". She improves it unconsciously as she draws more; SO SHE FRIGGIN' KNOWS IT. And THIS style has cost a lot of effort and love to Rika, so saying that is just fucking rude.
Stop. Really.
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Ellions In reply to DearRyoku [2015-08-11 23:16:25 +0000 UTC]
She posted something publicly and I have my right to comment and critique. I also have a right to my opinion.
"Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art." - It refers to ANYONE. And I actually do not say it to the artist. Look who that comment is answering.
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DearRyoku In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 23:23:22 +0000 UTC]
And THAT comments is to make clear that Rika DOENS'T draw realistic bodies, and that should have made it ENOUGH to make understand people, but then you put that phrase and it goes indirectly towards her; who doesn't see the indirect...really?
Of course you have your right to critique; but saying that is just plain rude, I don't see any friggin' constructive comment nor opinion in "Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art."
I don't have complains with your first comment; because THAT is an opinion. BUT THIS COMMENT...just nope
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Ellions In reply to DearRyoku [2015-08-11 23:29:43 +0000 UTC]
My first comment wasn't even arguing realism. I've read the description and she makes that point clear.
My original point was the lack of change.
"Of course you have your right to critique; but saying that is just plain rude, I don't see any friggin' constructive comment nor opinion in"Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art."" This is still not about her picture. This is about the use of realism or lack thereof as an excuse to not do something while drawing.Β
And please stop commenting, you are not making any valid points and frankly I'm not interested in arguing with someone who completely ignores what I'm saying.
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DearRyoku In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 23:45:52 +0000 UTC]
And again, the WHOLE thing I'm pointing at you is your "Saying that it's not supposed to be realistic is just a cheap scapegoat to not improve on ones art.".
Just because someone TOLD YOU that she doesn't do realism, is enough to you to asume that any artist that don't do realistic thingies are excusing themselves to not improve their art.
quoting -> "It refers to ANYONE"
Any person can improve their friggin' art, drawing realistic stuff or not. Plus she HAS done a draw or two like semi-realism in her coloring and face features.
But people just don't get it.
And you are just like them, ugh.
Go improve your art and have fun gurl. That's what I'm doing right now.
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Kampfkewob In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 15:02:51 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for this last comment.
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Ellions In reply to Kampfkewob [2015-08-11 18:08:06 +0000 UTC]
I'm not sure if you agree or if you're upset with my comment.
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Kampfkewob In reply to Ellions [2015-08-11 20:11:01 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you, therefore I thanked you You summarised my thoughts.
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Vaenera In reply to Ellions [2015-08-10 17:14:42 +0000 UTC]
Wanted to comment the same, but you already said everything.
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Ellions In reply to Vaenera [2015-08-10 19:04:27 +0000 UTC]
I was actually surprised when looking through the comments that no one mentioned it.
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Demon-Works In reply to ??? [2015-08-10 13:57:00 +0000 UTC]
I like the athletic body type a lot. My wife always says to make my female characters more anime like and give them giant boobs. XD
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Altean-Prince In reply to ??? [2015-08-10 08:20:27 +0000 UTC]
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