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If you're seeking realism GO ON YOUR WAY. You've been warned, all comment stating : that's not realist will be deleted.If you're commenting without bothering reading the description, maybe I should delete your comment too ?
I'm pretty patient, but not to the point of answering the same question 10th time, okay ?
Looks like some people didn't bother to look for part 2 :Β
Once and for all : the normal or Average CHANGE DEPENDING THE COUNTRY YOUR FROM.
Something could be skinny for you but normal for others. On the contrary what you consider normal could be considered fat by someone else.Β
I'm especially talking to those affected by countries invaded by Junk Food.
THIS IS WHAT I ( and french doctors ) CONSIDER AS THE NORMS : Woman : 1m63 and 63kg ( Men: 1m75 and 77kg ) . It's the average of the woman population etablished by INSEE ( national institute of statistics and economics studies )
It also vary from each individual depending on your education.
Now that this is done, I've made that "chart" because the difference in what my commissioner ask and what I understand can be a problem.
- Model : What I use for fashion design.
- Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for.
- Meaty : That's what I call chubby, plump and the kind. It's NOT fat. I always start by adding "fat" on the hips and thighs, that's were woman usually start to store it but it depends on your character metabolism and genetic
- Athletic : I'm not really into drawing athletic women. Breasts are lump of fat, your characters are unlikely to have huge breast if they do lots of sports but it also depends on the sports, metabolism and genetic.
Those are the "base" of each category. When you can start seeing the difference between all those.
If I feel like it then I'll develop each category , although I won't go into extremes
Don't repost, don't trace ect ... If you wish to use those as base it's only for non-commercial work and you HAVE TO credit me.
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I'm just wondering... how some persons just can't see the differences between these bodies? I thought it was obvious for everyone... until I read the comments. Arf.
En tout cas, j'aime bien!
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I really don't get what people are talking about, since when was art restrained by realism?
Any-who this looks great!Β Β
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Why do they all look sexy slim? I can tell the difference, but they all make me feel bad about myself somehow. I need to eat a sandwich if I want to look that kinda heavy.
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woah these are amazing!! i love your linework.
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I like the style they're in! .v. It's like, dainty and cartoony. I probably shouldn't have read the comments, though.. a lot of them are criticizing the head-to-waist anatomy despite the "Hey, this isn't realistic" emphasis.
P.S I enjoy your artwork as well!
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I understand I do that to, I go at a drawings someone I watch made and read comments 'cause I'm bored then I wanna facepalm myself XD
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i guess we all do it to an extent x3
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The funnier is looking at the orignal splash art for League of Legends from the original artist on DA comments XD
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It's hard to get people to 'go on their way' when they have weird expectations of other people's art. I say don't like it? Draw your own!
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true, I wonder if the people comlaining about me not drawing fat people have actually drawing of fat people in their gallery ? XD
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More than likely not. If anything they'll have absolutely nothing in their gallery like me and they're just loud critics.
You know the sad thing though? Every time I see people draw 'fat' or curvy women it suddenly becomes a debate about how she's unhealthy looking. You can never win. Whether you draw fat, skinny or even just whatever the hell you want and you'll have the critics booing and throwing things from the crowd. Oh well.
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same with short or tall girls, I happen to like drawing 9heads tall women but peoples have just made a big drama out of it.
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That sucks. Well hopefully you won't let it get to you. I glanced through your gallery and you have beautiful artwork. Never stop drawing!
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Ey man get that crap outta here
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Well I have to hand it to you... you certainly have a favorite type lol
Narrow shoulders, thin arms, tiny waist, wide hips and thighs Β (yummy pear shape) and shapely calves... and breasts that vary by maybe 1 cup size at most
I agree with the majority of people commenting. The variation is very subtle. If you don't zoom in, you'd probably only notice the difference in leg muscle/fat (and that only athletic girls have visible knee caps.) I'm not bashing you, they're all cute bodies, but how did you expect people to react? You claim to showcase different body type (bases) you love... then later say that you haven't "developed them" yet to add the details that would clearly differentiate between them?
Que?Β
Then stick with the "normal" as a base? Or skip posting this step next time and go step 2? Lol
Si?
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"- Model : What I use for fashion design.
- Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for.
- Meaty : That's what I call chubby, plump and the kind. It's NOT fat. I always start by adding "fat" on the hips and thighs, that's were woman usually start to store it but it depends on your character metabolism and genetic.
- Athletic : I'm not really into drawing athletic women. Breasts are lump of fat, your characters are unlikely to have huge breast if they do lots of sports but it also depends on the sports, metabolism and genetic."
For the love of god, read the description.
"You claim to showcase different body type (bases) you love"
YES; what's the probem with that? Who cares if every body type is not more different than the other? the friggin prhase says it
"Body types that I LOVE"; she's not obligated to made others different!
And then, She ALREADY MADE another samples of more fat womans.
Just...people nowadays...
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i would bang athletic
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keep that stuff for yourself, man...
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the internet has obviously taught you nothing
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why so serious? take it easy mate
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Oh my god, people. Is it really that hard to look under the description?
The artist clearly stated, "If you're seeking realism, GO ON YOUR WAY." It's that simple. You don't like? Then be on your way. She already has enough to deal with all because her models are unrealistic. She never claimed it was to be realistic. It's just how she sees it. It's how she draws it. All you people that are asking her to go take life drawing classes because her models aren't very good and draw "meaty" people, that's not criticism. It's called forcing her to do it, when in retrospect, she says she doesn't want to.
I can't get over the fact that you people say it's similar (from a long distance, yes) but did you even bother to look closely? You can see the differences. You just choose to ignore that and focus on saying, "They're not good. Bye." You guys want fat people these days, geez. While I agree that the media is overusing the skinny factor just to make those types of people feel bad so they can buy their products, forcing someone to draw it makes you look like a hypocrite, especially when they say they prefer not to.Β
Β Sigh...Β
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I'm surprised comments aren't disabled yet. They honestly should be
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that is exctly how i draw humans :3 i cant draw realistic
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let me preface this by saying that your art style is interesting and suits your artistic vision. you are completely entitled to express your artistic vision in any way you so choose.
HOWEVER, the "normal"'s waist width is a the width of a head. that's not anatomically possible in any country. you can't be surprised when people are upset by this. anatomically impossible is not "normal", don't call it that if it isn't what it is.
it's okay that you draw the characters this way. you don't have to justify it if it's just how you draw. BUT you shouldn't call a proportionally impossible figure "normal" or "meaty" if you don't want backlash.
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omfg just shut up. let the guy/girl draw whatever and HOWEVER the fuck they want! that's like telling a cartoonist "oh I love how you drew these characters! but could you PLEASE stop over-exaggerating Β their features? it really offends people!"
jesus....
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i'm not telling the person what to do. i'm saying that if she calls something anatomically impossible "normal", she shouldn't be surprised if she gets hate.
this wouldn't be a problem if she had just named the types 'a', 'b', 'c' and 'd'.
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holy shit, this is THE ARTISTS version of fit and thick people. it doesn't matter what's WRIGHT, it's what the artists PREFERS to draw.Β
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yeah, you could look at it that way.
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Truer words were never spoken. And the description doesn't indefinitely redeem the artist of all the issues with the picture - all she's doing is practically saying she doesn't care. In fact, the description also further implies that she has an issue with certain body types.
She's rather too much under the radar to be careless. With a smaller artist, it probably wouldn't matter so much.
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yeah. the description doesn't do this any justice. she did make a follow-up picture with more body types, though.
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You should probably read the description before you comment. Rika-dono has an art-style that is perfectly portrayed in these drawings. She has never once said that anything she draws is proportionally accurate or even realistic. And the reason I said to read the description is probably because she says in it "Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for." It's not what she finds normal in real human beings, it's her normal art-style body type. It is what she normally draws. The people in the comments, including you, just can't seem to grasp that these are her drawings and her representations of different body types in her own style.
You know what else she said in the description? "If you're seeking realism GO ON YOUR WAY."
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yeah, but the whole "don't expect realism!1!!" comment is kind of undermined by her tangent about what's considered "normal" in different countries. why would she even bring that up if she didn't care about realism to some extent? "what you consider skinny might be normal by other countries standards." well standards shouldn't matter if it's a stylized picture and all the characters in it are skinny to the point of being anatomically impossible. she's basically trying to use the country argument as a means of saying "well, this is skinny to you fat americans, but here in france, being disproportionately thin is NORMAL!1!!!"
why would she even bring that up if she didn't care about realism as she so claims? like she cares about realism when it comes to shaming people about their countries' standards of living, but when people try to call her out, realism suddenly doesn't matter.
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She said don't expect realism as an explanation for how the bodies are shaped. She knows that they are disproportionate, but that is her style so she doesn't want to hear about how those bodies aren't realistic, aren't shaped right, etc.
Of course artists care about realism to some extent. When you create a human body, certain aspects of that body must be realistic for anyone to consider that you are actually trying to draw a human. She also felt the need to put what is "normal" in other countries because she has been getting a lot of crap from people for not drawing anything but skinny people. She uses the average statistics for people in France as an explanation because she isn't used to anything but skinny people. It's more comfortable and fun for her to draw skinny people than to draw fat or chubby people.Β
To reiterate what is said in the above paragraph, she is using the standards of her country as an explanation for her only drawing skinny people. They shouldn't matter in pictures such as hers, but people like to make it matter when it shouldn't. All artists get a lot of crap for drawing only a certain type of body, and Rika-dono is no different. She isn't trying to say that her drawings are what is normal, she is trying to say that skinny is normal in France which is why she only draws skinny people. As mentioned in my previous reply to you, it is her style of art and that means that she can do whatever the hell she wants with her own drawings. She could easily make the humans she draws have arms that go down to their calves and it would still be a style. You seem to like to bring up how they are anatomically disproportionate when it has been explained to you that it is her style that makes them unproportionate in the first place.
So by now your last paragraph is basically null, but I'm going to go over it anyways. Why would she bring it up? Because people are giving her crap about only drawing skinny people and are also giving her crap on how her chubby figures aren't chubby enough. "She cares about realism when it comes to shaming people about their countries' standards of living." Let me reply to this statement with Rika-dono's own words: "Something could be skinny for you but normal for others. On the contrary what you consider normal could be considered fat by someone else. " This is completely true. She is shaming no one because this statement is true. Some countries consider certain things fatter than other countries do. "I'm especially talking to those affected by countries invaded by Junk Food." This statement is also true because countries that have been invaded by junk food do tend to have bigger people. If you've ever been to France, you would know that there are hardly any McDonalds or Starbucks or any other fast food places to eat at. You would also notice that the people are a lot skinnier there. That isn't shaming anybody, that is the truth. Now it would be shaming if she said that being fat is horrible and that fat people should lose some weight, but did she say that? I thought not. Now what she did was give an average, but every country has an average weight for women and men. For example, America's female average is 170lbs. Again, she did this to explain why she draws predominantly skinny people. She doesn't care about realism, she is giving realistic facts to, again, explain why the majority of people that she draws are skinny. "when people try to call her out, realism suddenly doesn't matter." Realism only matters a little bit because she is, after all, drawing humans. But if you're asking if realism matters in her art style, the answer is that it doesn't. Now I've repeated many many times why Rika-dono brought up realistic facts on weight, but please let me say it again: Rika-dono uses realistic facts about France's standards to explain why she only draws skinny people and why the chubby people she draws are actually not that chubby in comparison to America's standards of chubby and fat.
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uh, thing is, the myth of french women being inherently thin is actually really prevalent throughout its cultural history. this person simply took to that toxic ideal of women because she doesn't know any better. also, no, fat people in france look exactly the same as fat people in the u.s.; there are just fewer of them there. france, even though it has less of a problem with obesity than the u.s. does, still has an obesity rate of 17%, and 50% of french citizens have an "overweight" bmi.
and contrary to what you think, mcdonalds makes more profit in france than it does in any other european country. 2 million french citizens eat there each day.
thing is, yeah, they may claim to be the "healthiest" and "prettiest"Β of all of the european union, but they also have one of the most dysfunctional political histories, too. seems like they traded brains for looks, lol.
and you still fail to explain her hypocrisy in using realism and discrediting it at the same time. the only thing your argument has communicated is that rika is a very ignorant person who doesn't understand that the world doesn't revolve around france and its vanity. you didn't need a fucking essay to explain this, for one, and she's still a hypocrite however you slice it.
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Nowhere did I say that French women being inherently thin is true, and neither did Rika-dono. Obviously you've never been to France before because most of the residents are thin. Rika-dono is used to thin women and she enjoys drawing thin women more than thick women. And I never said that fat people in France don't look the same as in the U.S, I said that the standards in France are different than the U.S. What people in France consider fat is far different than what people in America consider fat. Now the obesity rate is true, but it's actually 40% who have an overweight BMI. However, your BMI does not necessarily make you fat, especially if you have more muscle, dense bones, or your fat is distributed a certain way.
And yes, McDonalds makes more profit in France than any European country. I never said that it didn't. However, profit does not necessarily mean bulk. Just because more people come to McDonalds does not mean that there are more McDonalds in France. There are only 1300+ in France. You can compare that to the 14,267 McDonalds in America recorded in 2013. That is hardly anything. Also, if you would do some research, you would find that the McDonalds' in France have better quality food than McDonalds in America. It also doesn't matter how much fast food you eat as long as you exercise, so this fact doesn't even matter.
Both I and Rika-donoΒ have also never said anything about French people being healthy or pretty. Skinny does not necessarily mean healthy.
I have explained why she used realism and discredits realism at the same time, you apparently just can't read. However, let's break this down for you. I may even quote the same thing I said more than three times in my previous reply because you just don't get it. "you still fail to explain her hypocrisy in using realism and discrediting it at the same time." Here's where the quote comes in: "Rika-dono uses realistic facts about France's standards to explain why she only draws skinny people and why the chubby people she draws are actually not that chubby in comparison to America's standards of chubby and fat." She uses realism for this one purpose, and then people like you claim that she is a hypocrite. She discredits realism when questioned about her art style. People (also like you) like to tell her that her drawings aren't anatomically correct or that she needs to make more realistic figures. Well guess what? Her drawings aren't realistic so there is no need for the figures she makes to be proportionate. Do you finally get it? Because if I have to explain it again, I'm afraid you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. "the only thing your argument has communicated is that rika is a very ignorant person who doesn't understand that the world doesn't revolve around france and its vanity". Thanks for putting words in my mouth - for the record, I never conveyed any of that. Rika-donoΒ most likely understands that the world doesn't revolve around France, but guess what? Her art can revolve around France if she wants it to. Just like Japanese people can make their art revolve around Japan, or Americans can make their art revolve around America. "you didn't need a fucking essay to explain this, for one." Well I was afraid that if I made my reply shorter than an essay you wouldn't get the point. I see now that I probably should've made a book because you still don't get the point. "she's still a hypocrite however you slice it." And I couldn't even call you ignorant by now because this is at least the fifth time I will have explained why Rika-dono is not a hypocrite.
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just because she has a reason to be a hypocrite doesn't negate her being a hypocrite. yes, you've explained several times why she's being a hypocrite, but that doesn't mean she isn't being a hypocrite.
and actually, there are some u.s. states (mine for example) that have an obesity rate of only 19%, though this is about the lowest it gets in this country. i agree that the u.s. has a serious problem with obesity, though.
the artist is entitled to embrace her own cultural identity in her art, but if that's the case as you claim, the only thing about france's culture that she cares to put in her art is their skinniness. it's france, the epicenter of the art world, but nope! all that matters is the physique of the people. also, she uses a japanese style, which also reflects that she utilizes very little from her own culture in her art, so i don't think that argument holds much water here.
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"because this is at least the fifth time I will have explained why Rika-dono is not a hypocrite." Shall I say that again? "because this is at least the fifth time I will have explained why Rika-dono is not a hypocrite." Hold on, one more time. "because this is at least the fifth time I will have explained why Rika-dono is not a hypocrite." Now, what is that explanation you ask?Β "Rika-dono uses realistic facts about France's standards to explain why she only draws skinny people and why the chubby people she draws are actually not that chubby in comparison to America's standards of chubby and fat." How about I say that again? "Rika-dono uses realistic facts about France's standards to explain why she only draws skinny people and why the chubby people she draws are actually not that chubby in comparison to America's standards of chubby and fat." One more time, because it's quite obvious by now that you tend to not read things you don't want to and then put words in my mouth.Β "Rika-dono uses realistic facts about France's standards to explain why she only draws skinny people and why the chubby people she draws are actually not that chubby in comparison to America's standards of chubby and fat."
I could literally quote everything in my previous reply, but I'll explain it again in simpler terms just for you. Rika-dono uses realism to explain one thing. That one thing is the same thing I have repeated three times in this reply alone (you should write it down so that it can finally be engraved in your head because you don't seem to get it). Rika-donoΒ doesn't use realism when drawing. Her drawings are slightly disproportionate because of her art-style. An art-styleΒ allows an artist to draw figures in any which way they want to, whether it be anatomically incorrect or not. Rika-dono has an art-style. Rika-dono does not want people to question any form of realism in her art-style. That is not hypocritical because the two things I have explained are very different. If you don't see how it is different, let me explain it to you further: Rika-dono has used realism to explain why she draws what she draws, and then Rika-donoΒ has said that she does not want people questioning why her drawings aren't realistic. Do you finally see? Two different things. Let me give an example, because I have explained this so many times and I just really want to go into as much detail as possible for you. First off, read the bolded print that has been constantly repeated more than I'd like it to be. Secondly, don't question why her figures and drawings are not realistic or anatomically correct because she is not seeking realism in her art. Thirdly, read the bold print again.
You mentioned how she "is a very ignorant person who doesn't understand that the world doesn't revolve around france and its vanity". I responded with the fact that she likely doesn't, because by then you were just putting opinions that people never had into an argument. I said that her art can revolve around France if she wanted it to because you can't say that a person thinks the world revolves around their country purely because of their artwork. Right now it is obvious that she is going for more anime-styled drawings, which would be part of Japanese culture. However, I will not repeat the same thing that I have constantly conveyed purely for the sake of more explanation.
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that phrase doesn't negate her being a hypocrite, for the fifth time! jesus christ. if she wanted to use a realistic piece of evidence for her argument, she shouldn't have claimed that realism didn't matter at the end! i doesn't matter why she said the things that she did. it's still contradictory. maybe if you pulled your nose out of rika's ass, you would understand.
all you're doing is explaining the purpose behind her first explanation. how is citing realism in an argument and later saying realism doesn't matter not a contraction?
and i already told you, the "she's embracing her culture" argument doesn't hold much water because nothing else about her artwork has even a trace of french influence on it! was it not stated on her profile, i would never guess that she's from france. she's just using the "i draw them this way because this is how people look in my country" to defend herself, and likely doesn't care about art in france. in reality she's just another wapanese who couldn't give two licks of a rat's taint about her own country's art atmosphere.
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What part of that is contradictory? I don't think you understand that they don't contradict each other in the slightest. If you read my reply carefully, you would know that. For the third time, I will be breaking this down for you so that you can better understand it, because it's clear that you don't. Make sure you read it carefully now, or you might miss something.
-Rika-dono draws unrealistic drawings because of her art-style.
-Rika-dono does not want people questioning why her drawings aren't completely anatomically correct or proportional because she is not seeking more realism than necessary in her drawings.
-Rika-dono lives in France.
-France has a lot of skinny people in it.
-Rika-dono is used to being around skinny people and enjoys drawing skinny people.
-People get on her case about how she only draws skinny people and how her chubby people are actually skinny.
-Rika-dono explains that the standards in her country are different than in the U.S.
-She says that what we consider chubby is different than what people in her country do.
-Rika-dono has now used the realistic standards of her country to explain why she draws what she does - without being a hypocrite.
-Rika-dono's drawings are still not realistic and she does not seek realism in them either.
I will say it again, but I ask that you read it slowly so that you can fully understand it. Rika-dono uses the realistic standards of her country to explain why the chubby people are not that chubby and why she mainly draws skinny people. Rika-dono's drawings, however, are not realistic because she does not seek realism in her art. You're attacking Rika-donoΒ and calling her a hypocrite because you don't understand that those two sentences are not contradictory. Here's an example of how stupid your argument is:
"The humans in my drawings have hands because I'm used to being around people with hands and I like drawing hands. Also, the bigger hands may not be as big as you think they should be. Please do not comment on how my hands are unproportionate or anatomically incorrect because it is my art-style that makes them that way."
"wow you are such a hypocrite rika. you can't just explain that you draw hands because the people you live around have hands, and then ask people not to comment on how your art-style is anatomically incorrect. that's contradictory!!! you're using realism and then saying that you don't want people commenting on realism!! blasphemyyy!!!!"
And this last paragraph is just proof that you don't read my replies carefully before moving your fingers. I never said she was embracing her culture in her art - I said she can embrace her culture in her artwork if she wants to. The whole, "I draw them this way because this is how people look in my country," is also only one tiny part of a culture (since the way your people eat and how active they are is part of culture). It does not prove that she completely indulges France's culture into her artwork, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't care about the art in France. You don't have to include your own culture into your artwork to care about your culture. Β And now you're just making rash judgements about a person you don't even know, like you've been doing this entire time.Β
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oh my god. adding "without being a hypocrite" to the end doesn't mean she isn't a hypocrite. she didn't even need to add the part about body types in her country relative to other countries! she could've just said "hey guys, it's stylized art, and i'm a relatively young artist. it's not going to be the most realistic thing ever." that's all she had to say, but she stuck her foot in her mouth with the crap about nationality.
all your explaining in that bulleted list is just that: explaining! yes, she has a reason to be a hypocrite, but she's still a hypocrite. she could've just... y'know, not made the hypocritical statement to begin with.
why are you so hell bent on defending this person, anyway? is she your sister? did you have a one night stand with her? or do you just not have anything better to do with your life, seeing as how you don't even draw?
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Do you even know how to read? Just asking, because you're skipping over quite a bit of my reply. I explained why she added the part about her country in relation to other countries. I've explained it three times now. Apparently you didn't read the part where I said, "because people are constantly getting on her case about how she only draws skinny people and how the chubby people she draws are not that chubby in comparison to other countries." You deliberately avoid that topic, and I'm pretty sure it's because you don't want to be proven wrong. I came into this argument with an open mind like, "Hey, maybe I'm wrong." But then you constantly avoided (and still avoid) parts of my replies that literally explain the entire concept. She has also very blatantly implied the sentence you just gave out by saying that she does not want any comments on realism. Maybe if somebody doesn't want comments on realism, they aren't seeking realism in their drawings. Wow! What a concept! And no, you are sticking her own foot in her mouth and then claiming that she did it herself. She hasn't said anything bad about other nationalities, she has simply explained the same thing I have repeated so many freaking times.Β
And look, now you are avoiding myΒ second-to-last paragraph that explains exactly why she is not a hypocrite. If you don't mind me asking, since you seem quite adamant on calling Rika-dono a hypocrite even though she is not, how is she a hypocrite? Please explain it as thoroughly as I have explained to you how she is not. I'm pretty sure the only thing you have is, "she mentioned realism twice! that's not allowed! hypocrite!!!"
Wow look, your ignorance is showing yet again. What a shocker! Just because someone doesn't post their drawings online doesn't mean they don't draw. You also just proved that you don't know what a hypocrite is, because you are being quite hypocritical here. Why are you so hell-bent on telling me that Rika-dono is a hypocrite? Is she your enemy? Did you sleep with her and then got mad that it was just a one night stand? Or do you just not have anything better to do with your life, seeing as how you don't even understand what I'm saying?
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