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If you're seeking realism GO ON YOUR WAY. You've been warned, all comment stating : that's not realist will be deleted.If you're commenting without bothering reading the description, maybe I should delete your comment too ?
I'm pretty patient, but not to the point of answering the same question 10th time, okay ?
Looks like some people didn't bother to look for part 2 :Β
Once and for all : the normal or Average CHANGE DEPENDING THE COUNTRY YOUR FROM.
Something could be skinny for you but normal for others. On the contrary what you consider normal could be considered fat by someone else.Β
I'm especially talking to those affected by countries invaded by Junk Food.
THIS IS WHAT I ( and french doctors ) CONSIDER AS THE NORMS : Woman : 1m63 and 63kg ( Men: 1m75 and 77kg ) . It's the average of the woman population etablished by INSEE ( national institute of statistics and economics studies )
It also vary from each individual depending on your education.
Now that this is done, I've made that "chart" because the difference in what my commissioner ask and what I understand can be a problem.
- Model : What I use for fashion design.
- Normal : What I'm usually asked for and go for.
- Meaty : That's what I call chubby, plump and the kind. It's NOT fat. I always start by adding "fat" on the hips and thighs, that's were woman usually start to store it but it depends on your character metabolism and genetic
- Athletic : I'm not really into drawing athletic women. Breasts are lump of fat, your characters are unlikely to have huge breast if they do lots of sports but it also depends on the sports, metabolism and genetic.
Those are the "base" of each category. When you can start seeing the difference between all those.
If I feel like it then I'll develop each category , although I won't go into extremes
Don't repost, don't trace ect ... If you wish to use those as base it's only for non-commercial work and you HAVE TO credit me.
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alright, the last half of your comment confirms it. you don't even know what a hypocrite is.
holy shit. it is not "mentioning realism twice" that makes her a hypocrite, you dolt.
let's use an example outside of this situation. let's say someone was making an argument for why seafood sucks, and they say, "sushi is bad because raw meat can make people sick.", but later follows that up with "it doesn't matter whether it's healthy or not, it's just that eating fish is wrong." you see how that's contradictory, right? why would the person include a counterargument about how unhealthy/dangerous the food is if they believe health doesn't matter?
that's basically what rika did. she talked about how skinniness was relative in the real world, and she even used medical statistics! would you cite actual medical information if realism doesn't matter? would you say, "modern science has discovered a cure for leprosy, so it's possible that jesus figured it out to cure lepers," and then follow that up with "it doesn't matter whether or not it's possible, miracles are miracles and they don't need to make sense!" no! that's stupid!
and finally, i don't have anything against this person. you're the one who was white knighting and started this argument, if you look back in the chain. the assumption that i don't understand you because i'm disagreeing with you doesn't have anything to do with how i spend my time. the fact that you white-knight for idiot strangers does reflect a lot about the choices you make with your free time, though.
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Here I thought you were just ignorant. So much for that idea, you're just plain arrogant now.
Your examples don't make any sense in the same respect as Rika-dono's situation. Someone is making an argument for why seafood sucks. Rika-dono is explaining why she mainly draws skinny people. These two statements are vastly different, but let's go on for the fun of it.
Sushi is bad because raw meat can make people sick. It doesn't matter whether it's healthy or not, it's just that eating fish is wrong. - I think you need a dictionary because this is not hypocritical. Hypocrisy -Β the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. It would be different if you had said something along the lines of, "Sushi is bad because raw meat can make people sick. It doesn't matter whether it's healthy or not, I just love eating it." Now that is contradictory to one's own actions. They said it's bad because the raw meat makes people sick. They aren't completely wrong, but they aren't completely right either. Sushi can be extremely healthy too. That isn't hypocritical, that is just a wrong fact. But they still don't eat the sushi because they think it's wrong to eat fish. That doesn't contradict their morals. They won't eat sushi because they think it will make them sick, and then they won't eat sushi because they think eating fish is wrong. No hypocrisy there because their actions suit their morals. Sure,Β they called it both unhealthy and healthy at the same time (which was a wrong fact),Β but hypocrisy is not a contradiction in words. Hypocrisy is a contradiction in morals/beliefs against actions. Yet you say that I don't know what hypocrisy is!
Rika-dono's example: I draw skinny people because I like to and my chubby people are not as fat as America's standards of chubby. I don't want anyone commenting on how my figures aren't anatomically correct because I'm not seeking realism. - Rika-dono draws skinny people that are not completely anatomically correct. Rika-dono draws chubby people that aren't as chubby as the standards of America that are not completely anatomically correct. Rika-dono's morals are that she does not seek realism in her drawings and she likes drawing skinny people more than chubby people (that happen to not be as chubby as the standards of America). Her morals match her actions, as her drawings are not completely anatomically correct and she predominantly draws skinny people. Guess what? That means she isn't a hypocrite!
Modern science has discovered a cure for leprosy, so it's possible that Jesus figured it out to cure lepers. It doesn't matter whether or not it's possible, miracles are miracles and they don't need to make sense. - There's no argument that this is indeed a stupid statement, but hypocritical I think not. This person believes that Jesus caused modern science to find the cure for leprosy. Those are their beliefs. But then you back it up with more beliefs. They also believe that it doesn't matter whether that is possible because miracles don't need to make sense. First you said that modern science did find the cure for leprosy, and then you said that this person claims that it is not possible. Which is it? You're contradicting your own example. Either way, there is no action in this statement and therefore, there is no hypocrisy. There are only contradictions. If contradictory and hypocrisy meant the same thing, we wouldn't use them as if they were different words.
Yes, she talked about skinniness in relativity to the real world. Yes, she used medical statistics to show the average weight of a French woman. Yes, you can cite actual medical information to prove a point while also saying that you don't want your drawings to be considered realistic without being a hypocrite. You don't realize that the two different things that are talked about are two separate situations. She doesn't care about realism when she draws. When people get on her case about her only drawing skinny people and how her chubby drawings are actually not chubby, she cites real information to show and explain that the standards between the U.S. and France are different. Drawing and dealing with people who diss your drawings are two different things.
You say you don't have anything against this person. I believe you. I was throwing back your own examples into your face to show you what it's like to have false accusations laid on your shoulders. The same false accusations you threw at me, even. This term "white-knighting" is also incredibly stupid in an argument. When you argue with someone, one person stands for something and another person doesn't stand for it. The two are attempting to explain their viewpoints and hopefully prove the other person wrong. Most people go into an argument with the mindset that they are inherently right. In our situation, I am defending a person who is being wrongfully accused and you are wrongfully accusing that same person. You are trying to tell me that your accusations are right when I think that they are wrong. You wanna know who else does this? Lawyers. You don't call a lawyer a "white-knight" because they have something to gain from it. You call me a "white-knight" because I have nothing to gain from it. But the reason it's stupid is because you are basically saying people shouldn't stand up for others when they are being wrongfully accused, and then calling them something that carries a negative connotation.
I started the argument because I didn't like how you were wrongfully accusing an artist. If that's considered wrong, then I don't want to be considered right by your viewpoint. I also didn't say that you don't understand me because you disagreed with me. I said that you didn't understand me because you would deliberately skip over pieces of my reply and then put words in my mouth. Also, I can, again, throw that sentence right back at you. The assumption that I don't draw because I'm disagreeing with you doesn't have anything to do with how I spend my time. When someone turns something back around on you, and then you try to turn it back on them, please be reminded that they turned it first, and they can do it again just as easily.
And the fact that you insult and falsely accuse strangers does reflect a lot about what a toxic person you are and the choices you make with your free time.
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the term i should've used was "contradiction", then. happy? rika contradicts herself.
my original comment was not insulting or accusatory at all, for one. your preachy bitching is what drove me to insult you. isn't it contradictory for you to insult me a bunch and then say that the only "toxic" person here is me when i retaliate? also, there's no such thing as an objectively "toxic" person. there's no objectivity to good or bad. you know nothing about me or my contributions to society and other people, so shut the fuck up about what kind of person i am.
maybe the reason why i skip over so much of your replies is because they're fucking essays and i have better shit to do with my life then read another wall of text you wasted an hour on writing. there's this great new thing called being concise, heard of it? i'm not changing my opinion, and you're just wasting your life on these long replies.
don't comment on this chain and brag that you're right because i got tired of you and blocked you. i'm just sick of getting your pretentious essays in my inbox, and have better things to do with my life than read your tripe.Β
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dA seriously needs a Β Β system. I only wish I could feature your comment for everyone to see.
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I agree on that like system, except that I think the reason DA isn't doing it is because pretty much every other website has a like system.Β
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Nicely done and said. Your officially one of my faves XD
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I dig the variety! I'm trying to stray away from drawing the typical same form over and over, but old habits die hard. I adore drawing the female form. I find drawing males impossible.Β
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i know these are bases but to me
there is little to no variety in overall body shape? :/ they all look the same
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Look carefully, there is variations in the body types. Once you pay proper attention you will see they are fairly different.
Her style portrays fairly elegant, slender figures, so I don't see them varying too much.Β
Model is curvy and thinly waisted, Normal is even, Healthy is bulkier and Athletic shows more muscle definition and a very toned body.
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the only difference is the size of the hips, lol
i would think someone who watches steven universe would understand what actual body type variance is.
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Well, it's blatant you can't actually sit and analyze a piece of art, but alright.
I know what body variance is- my friends differ fairly drastically, and yes, I watch StU. But this is a style that only really accommodates a slender figure, I personally don't think she would be that good at plumper bodies. I myself am fairly large, and this doesn't really offend me at all.
Actually look at the deviation before making blunt, rude remarks at someone's work.Β
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i dare you to take these figures into photoshop, overlay them, and see where the biggest point of contrast is. is it the hips? you don't say. maybe because, i reiterate, there are very few differences beyond the shapes of the hips/thighs.
i'm not offended. i'm just saying, call this "varied" is like calling adam sandler the best comedic actor who ever lived. it's just the overstatement of the century.
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Dared? Ooh, so scared :l
Rhyming aside, I'm not getting into a stupid argument with you because you don't appreciate someone else's work. Again, this style does not accommodate larger figures, but there is more than just the hips.
So many people are so fucking shallow.
"Model" is shown with a smaller chest, more defined waist, rounded hips, angled arms and legs, and small shoulders.
"Normal" has a more natural chest, a more filled waist, more subtle leg shape and shoulders that sit more relaxed.
"Healthy" has bigger arms, thicker waist, wider hips, a belly button position that suggests a slightly protruding stomach, no thigh gap, breasts that lie a bit lower, bigger shins and a bigger neck.
"Athletic" is shown with more muscle definition, small hips, near flat chest, stronger looking shoulders and a thigh gap.
Also look how she interpreted hands for the sketches. Since they are sketches, they are not detailed, but it's interesting.
And it seems you didn't look at this.Β rika-dono.deviantart.com/art/Sβ¦
You really can't look at thisΒ imgur.com/Yic1wEt and say they look exactly the same.
Okay, fine, "varied" may be a stretch. But they are different from each other. There are features that make each one unique, and show a different body type. Just because you only look at the hips click away does not mean there aren't other parts.
And please, for the love of life. Your shift key misses you.
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i did look at the second drawing. seems to me that she made that as a response to criticism, and it is a marked improvement.
but my statement still holds true for this picture. yes, there are some small differences between breast size and level of anatomical detail, but for the most part, the only place she felt it was necessary to vary was the hips. hips are an important element of a character's shape, but don't you think that "athletic" should have more visible musculature on the legs, or that "meaty" should have larger breasts? i'm kind of surprised "model" isn't taller than the rest, because typically models are tall, even in her other artwork. the arms on "meaty" should also be a little thicker than the others, perhaps with a rounder face. hell, there's no variance in facial shape! shouldn't the "model" have a slender, elegant face, and the "athletic" has a more muscular jawline?
and please, for the love of life. how i choose to type in casual situations isn't your problem.
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Alright, you may make yourself seem less intelligent by disregarding basic English.
Then again, I misread print handwriting so it seems I may not have word on that.
Get over their style.
I've seen your gallery- you're a great artist. If you have such a problem with it why don't you fuck off and draw your own "varied" art?
Your complaints surround your own personal taste. You aren't giving a proper critique on what it is, just on what you want it to BE.Β
This person just wanted to share how they draw bodies. They won't pander to what you want, if you really want to see them draw bodies how you want commission them and shut the hell up.
Also, if this is just a casual situation... You must get into more arguments than me. And that's just fucking impossible.
I do agree on the facial desires, but again, they will draw what they want to.Β
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i did a proper critique in my previous reply, which basically amounted to: i can see what she's trying to do, but in order to make the forms more varied she should pay more attention to detail. i pointed out all of the ways that the figures could be improved and more distinguishable. perhaps if the artist didn't want dissenting opinions, should shouldn't have posted it?
the "it's their style!1!!" is a popular defense for shit anatomy here on devianart. i'd like to see someone try that it art school, lol.
speaking of casual situations, that's why i type the way i do. when i'm talking to someone whose opinion i actually care about, i use proper capitalization.
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I'm done.
You've won. I never get taken seriously on here.
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That's what I thought, too. The only difference I see is different leg width.
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I don't really see the differences here,
I don't mean to be rude (I had someone tell me I drew Rose Quartz too thin and the entire fanbase pretty much tore me apart piece by piece so I know how it feels)
but honestly I have to squint to see the changes
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I hope this account is hurt in a way that is bad but lets me sleep at night too.
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Used your "normal" base and gave you credit
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all the hips kinda.. look the same
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I honestly couldn't tell the difference between them before I read the description. I suppose we all have our preferences, just some are less varied than others.
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it's a base apparently..
At least that's what it states
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I like the stylization, very neat and feminine. :> I wish the US was a healthier country to live in, but alas. At least I'm not overweight myself.
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You're welcome. ^_^
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Even if you're saying they are the base and blabla - they don't look very different and I think you should really practice some anatomy in a life drawing class.Β
I know, it ist your style (blabla, this is just an excuse), but it is just not that good. Even stylised humans should look like humans and not alien life forms.
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she said she isnt doing realism. no one can do purfect anatomy
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Yes, this is right, I'm not demanding realism - but there are many ways of how you can make stylised bodies to look 'right' in the specific style. Just think of these bodies in motion - it won't work well and would look strange.
And before stylisation you should know how bodies work, to make the stylised bodies look well.
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"I think you should really practice some anatomy in a life drawing class."Β
Um, since when did you become the boss of her? To an extent where you say "it's not good. Do better than that," it's an insult to the artist. It's like saying, "You're not good. Sorry, but you're just not." It's her style. She chooses to draw whatever the hell she wants. If you don't prefer her version of the human body, then go somewhere else rather than just insult her.
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This was an actual advise, not an order. Life drawing classes are very nice to learn how bodies workΒ and it differs from using photo references because of the process of seeing an 3D body and change it to a 2D image.
Sure it is her style and she can draw whatever she wants, but this does not automatically makes it good. And I'm just talking about this picture - her other stuff (the pictures I saw by clicking around a bit) is at some points way better.
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Lmfao chill out. It's a critique. And honestly, she should practice figure and life drawing because this is honestly? They all look exactly the same.Β
Unfortunately for the artist, she's not good. And it's rude to her as an artist to actually cover that up and lie to her. I'm not good either myself. But that's why I continue to teach myself and learn instead of just drawing bigger hips and pretending like that's how bigger women actually look.Β
The commented you replied to was giving much needed Critique, not insulting the artist. There's a difference and I suggest you learn it, otherwise you're never going to grow as a person OR an artist if you can't differentiate critique from insult.Β
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"pretending like that's how bigger women actually look."
Gurl, these bodies AREN'T mean to look like normal sizes or realistic sizes; do you even read the description?
When Rika means BASE, she refers to that this is how others sizes start to gain form in her style (like from meaty to chubby/fat).
"Stop drawing skinny people and only skinny people" Then go and tell that to the MANY others users who ONLY draw average/fat/morbid size of characters; there are a lot, why just taking it with Rika? because she does more skinny models? If a user wants to do only furry style and two or three times a human, they had the right to do it.
She's not forced to draw someting she doesn't feel like she wants to or is difficult at. She already stated that she's HAPPY with her own improvement, then just chill out! Find an Artist that satisface your taste. Rika has worked hard to achieve her STYLE; saying that she should "mature" is rude. And that stuff of "As an artist you HAVE to push yourself to do things that you don't want to do", apply to yourself, but don't put it like you're teaching lessons; or at least say it more gentle, because Rika KNOWS it; she's an artist just like you. The difference between you both is that she's happy and comfort with her current style, and you like to improve more your art, cool. But that DOESN'T mean she's less or not a real artist; she doesn't "mature", because she's happy just the way it is. If an artist feels happy with their own style, improved or not, that's ALL THAT MATTERS.
Other thing, she's french; for her "Normal" is just like "Average". A lot of english people think that others (who are from another country) have to know these slangs and differences.
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I'm from an English speaking country and I already know she's French, she mentioned it and I gathered from her grammar that English was not her first language. Which is why I've been trying to inform her that Normal and Average, while synonyms, are not interchangeable in this case. Like I said, calling this body form she's drawn normal, implies that the rest are ABNORMAL. Which is, understandably, offensive and simply incorrect.Β
I don't approach those who only draw fat people because most of the time, those who do so, are skinny themselves and draw fat characters as a fetish. As a fat person myself, I tend to stay away from those for the obvious reason that they're gross. Those who do happen to draw fat and chubby characters who actually look human, an they don't do them for a fetish, I leave them alone as well because they ALWAYS draw skinny characters as well. Not to mention that thin and skinny are the idealized body weights, so why stunt my own progress in the road to body positivity by approaching people who draw people who look like me and telling them to draw skinny people?
All I'm saying here is that labeling the form above, or... the base (I still don't understand what you're saying here about that it really makes no sense to me), "Meaty" is incorrect and frankly kind of hilariously offensive because that is NOT meaty, not by a long shot.Β
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Meaty is NOT fat nor chubby! Is less than that; and that's what she means by base! Meaty -> Chubby -> Fat; that's the order I get seeing her pictures. She calls it "meaty" because she doesn't see any other way to call it; neither me. If you know it, then instead of saying unnecesary things, tell it.
And for god sakes, there's NOT only three type of sizes in the friggin' world! We all have more or less weight in somes place, and not because of that we call ourselves skinny/average/fat and just that. I can't tell myself if I'm skinny, average nor fat, because my legs are REALLY wide than my little and ridiculous torso! That's is what Rika is trying to portrait in this image; that she likes to draw this type of bodies sizes, and that there ARE more sizes of body, not the typical skinny/average/fat. And that's why she refers to this models as "base"!
EDIT: "thin and skinny are the idealized body weights"; There you have! Even YOU think that these are the idealized! If we all people stop from thinking that these are the "perfect" sizes and the perfection doesn't exist, this controversial thing just because Rika draws skinny characters would have never started.
Another thing, I have seen chubby characters from Rika; they look adorable and beautiful, because her style makes her able to draw EVERY type of woman beautiful and delicate no matter their size. So pleaso DON'T go telling that she just do skinny people.
So, if you're not satisfied, go and see her new other bodies size samples; because now with these new models she SHUT all these mouths and your opinion of "trying another size"; Rika has show you that she CAN draw fat bodies, but for her is more easy doing skinny people, JUST LIKE FOR YOU IS MORE EASY DOING CHUBBY/FAT PEOPLE!, and that's cool!
And if you're still not happy, then find another artist who suits your taste. But please, never, ever write something like "an artist HAVE to mature..."; because you don't know all the artists. I love tips and stuff like that to improve, but I respect those who says that they don't need it because they're happy with that. They're doing what they like; even when they love what they do, they unconsciously improve their art.
That's all. Im off.
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LOL, you didn't bother looking closely on the differences between each body shape?Β
I dunno if calling someone else's art "not very good" is a critique. The person could have said, "Looks great. You're trying to improve, kudos to you," and give some helpful tips rather than saying, "They all look bad." LOL, pretending? It's how she's drawing ._. She's trying to grow as an artist.Β
Honestly, I know critique from insult. I'm still learning and am making attempts to grow. So, yeah. Chill yourself out, kiddo.
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Listen man, if I have to squint and stare at a piece of models side by side just to pick out little differences then theres really no difference at all. You can't just add a bit of weight at the hips and some random lines on the torso and say they're different. I did look at them, and yeah the hips are wider but the body itself isn't. There's no noticeable love handles on the meaty one. There's no rolls. There's no flappy arms, no chubby ankles.Β
This person needs to sit down and take a life drawing class. You can't morph the human body to something unrealistic without first understanding the basics of realism.
She wont listen to tips, people have been telling her she might want to consider doing figure drawings and drawing from life and literally she said in one comment she'd rather stop drawing than ever draw something she "didn't want to". I don't like drawing masculine figures, just not my thing. It doesn't mean I don't practice them and learn how to apply my skills in pieces where I'm required to draw traditional males.Β
As an artist you HAVE to push yourself to do things that you don't want to do. You don't necessarily need to make yourself uncomfortable, but you're never going to grow if you sit in a bubble and make excuses like "this is the French average" "this body is NORMAL (wrong word btw and totally offensive) in France!" "I don't feel like drawing that" and "it's a base for the body type (what does THAT even mean???)".Β
Growing involves pushing yourself and PRACTICING FROM LIFE. Which she clearly hasn't been doing.Β
And I'm totally chill, kiddo. Don't worry about me.
Here's some advice for her then since you're not giving any and you're just lying straight to her face: Practice drawing fatter people. Learn that FAT isn't a bad word, it's just a body type. Normal isn't the word you're looking for either, stick with the term Average when talking about Average body types. Normal implies that all other bodies are ABNORMAL, which is rude and offensive.Β
Practice drawing from life, heres a website even where you can do figure drawings and learn about human anatomy, beware it's NSFW:Β artists.pixelovely.com/practicβ¦
Stop drawing skinny people and only skinny people. Push yourself. You're good now but you'll never be great if you don't practice and sketch from LIFE.
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If she doesn't feel like drawing it, don't force her to do something she doesn't even want to do. Yea, fat isn't bad. Everyone can draw it if they choose to, but like I said, if she doesn't want to for whatever reason, she doesn't have to, just cuz you guys say she needs to take life drawing classes.Β
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She doesn't need to take classes, I'm not saying go out and spend money on it. That's why I left a completely free resource for everyone to use. I would never tell someone to go out and pay for classes if they cannot afford it. That said though, maybe she needs to look at herself and figure out why she doesn't like drawing fatter characters. Although that comment about Junk Food in the description of this piece tells me all I need to know about her opinion on people like me lmfao.Β
Obviously no, she doesn't have to draw bigger people. But if she's going to try, like she did here... perhaps she should consider drawing from life first. Even if it's not meant to be realistic, semi realisim isn't some sort of magical space realm where fat and chubby people don't exist. You wont grow as an artist if you aren't drawing from life.
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True....Β
My apologies for everything I've said.Β
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It's cool dude I get why you were defensive. But I'm just here tryna help fellow artists grow because I was in the same spot, only drawing thinner characters all the time. And after drawing from life, my arts gotten so much better and I draw so many more diverse and human looking characters. Whether I'm drawing realistically, or in my own natural style. Just push yourself and look at life, that's an artists job after all. To capture life on a canvas, and if you aren't looking at life, how are you gonna manage to do your job?
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Ich stimme mit Ihnen .. es sagt, es ist eine Basis , aber sie kΓΆnnen zumindest den KΓΆrper deutlicher zu machen , um den Betrachter.
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Then go and say that to a lot of users who do really skinny/skeleton/chubby/muscle/alien girls who are supposed to be human (they have the right to do it of course).Β And is not an excuse, are you serious? You're an artist yourself and still are you pointing the style of other? When did art gained rules of how "stylised humans" must looks or not?
What a disappointment reading this by someone who has a really good gallery. You really DON'T seem to understand that her style is something that Rika had created over time, effort and love; and you're just despising her art by calling her body forms"alien". Now I understand why DA has come to be what it is. Really sad and rude.
It seems that you didn't understand what she means by BASE. It means that this is how it looks a body when it start to gain a size (like, meaty is how a fat/chubby body starts).
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Sure, I will, but this picture was on the frontpage, so I looked at it.
And yes, 'It's my style!!!' is not an excuse. Here are so many people saying that the bodies look odd - don't you think that they have a point? Stylised bodies can look right or wrong. And if you want to stylise humans you should know how humans work in general. Just imagine these bodies in motion. It would be odd. And yes, these are 2D depictions and they are not meant to move, but it helps a lot.
Sorry to disapoint you. I know that working on a specific style is a matter of time and effort, but it doesn't make it good automatically.
I'm sorry that I'm responsible for the downfall of Deviantart - but life and art is hart and being all nice will not get you anywhere.
I understood what she meant by base, but I don't see that the pictures work well for that. They are very similar and therefore she just could have taken the average one and call it the base of all her bodytypes.
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"Stylised bodies can look right or wrong"
WHEN did art become something right or wrong? Art is abstract and becomes in MANY forms. GO AND TELL THAT TO MANY OTHER CARTOONIST ARTIST WHO DO EXAGERATE PROPORTIONS TOO THEN.
"but life and art is hart and being all nice will not get you anywhere." You just admited that your comment is rude; pointless and not constructive, starting with the "ALIEN" thing, ugh.
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I really love your style! ox so pretty!
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