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Description Well.. this is part 2.

i wanted a good xenomorph size chart and there was nothing good on the internet. So i doodled one by myself:
risen-from-the-ruins.deviantar…

Additionally, let's say "just for fun", i am working on a bigger size chart which features a lot of xenomorphs from video games, comics, toys or fan-stuff from the internet.

Some xenomorph variants are not shown because i do not have good pictures for them.



I am searching for good images that fits into the look of my chart for this creatures:



Queen from the comic "AvP The deadliest of the species" (really different crest)

Cloned Queen from "Alien:Resurrection" (and I mean the queen with her womb. Not just a different colored "normal" queen like NECAs new figure.)

Bull-Alien





Shown Xenomorph-Variants and other creatures:

Mistress
Weyland-Yutani Commando in Apesuit
Queen with ovipositor
Empress (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)
T-Rex
Earth-Queen (AvP) (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Pilot-Xenomorph (Destroyer) (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Flying Queen (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Ultramorph (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Jeanette Vasquez

Acheron-Queen (Aliens)

Mutated Queen (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

King (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Rogue

Palatine (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)
Ravager

Carrier

Newborn (adult) (retouching, building new bodyparts etc.)

Swimmer (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…
Razor Claws

Deacon (mature) (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Trilobite (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)
Praetorian (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)
Raven

Yautja Clan-Leader on Skull-throne

Crocodile (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Crusher (color-correction,retouching)

The Abomination Predalien

White Hybrid King (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Neomorph Queen (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Sevastopol drone (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Berserker Predalien (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Mantis

Queen Mother (Bluish little one - new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Hive-Warrior
Newborn (juvenile)
Bat

Engineer

Exomorph (retouching)

Predalien
Gorilla (retouching, turned the head)

Chrysalis

White Hybrid (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Boiler
Spitter
Lurker
Scorpion
Sewer

Albino

Luiz Hybrid (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Warrior

Specimen 6 Warrior (retouching, new head on body)

Earth Angel (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Welles Hybrid (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Cloned Drone
Red
Drone
Protomorph
Snake
Yautja

Neomorph

Spider (new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Xenomorph Prime Predator ((new picture creation - retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.) www.deviantart.com/risen-from-…

Arachnoid

Tusked

Runner
Arachnid
Deaconburster

Protoburster

Mistressburster (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)

Dogburster
Hammerpede
Bloodburster
Ultraburster
Bodyburster (retouching,bulding new bodyparts etc.)
Queenburster
Hybrid Chestburster
Chestburster
Trilobiteburster
Royal Fachugger
Facehugger
Ovomorph
Eggmorph
Ellen Ripley

Jones

Ellen Ripley in Xenosuit

The Pilot



Edits:


Edit 37: Deleted the "work loader" due to wideness-issues.
                Changed the "rogue" figure to the great "Rogue Alien" from the Prime 1 studios.



Edit 36: Added the "mutated queen" and the "wraith xenomorph" to the chart.


Edit 35: Added the "Luiz Hybrid" next to the standrt "warrior".

                Erased the "yautja female".


Edit 34: Added the "sevastopol drone" from the game "Alien: Isolation". My reason for that is that after some "studies of the "sevastopol" vs the "nostromo" drone, I found a lot of differences.

                Differences of the "sevastopol drone" are that it is digitigrade, measures 3 m and does have moving dorsal tubes with no hole on the top.

                Therefore i noticed an inconsistence wich is no where mentioned.

                The original drone has in the area of the neck between the shoulder blades has a rather long, pointed appendage with some bone-like corrugations.

                This extension prevents the alien from completely putting his head back. I have looked at many scenes in "Alien: Isolation" and occasionally the xenomorph is completely missing from this extension.

                One or the other time, the extension seems to exist, but bends towards the spine when the alien tilts its head back.

                There are too many differences to the Nostromo creature to be the same caste despite the same gene base.


Edit 51: Added the "flying xenomorph queen" between "destroyer" and "ultramorph".



Edit 50: all the "predalien"-hybrids are now called "yautjomorph".


Edit 49: Some mini-edits.

                I changed the pictures of "protoburster", "royal facehugger", "bloodburster" and "hammerpede".


Edit 48: Some little corrections.

                Old "king" has now just two arms.

                The "palatine" has now jaw-tusks instead of antennas.

                "Mistressburster" is now sligthly more red.


Edit 47: Added the "mistressburster" between the "dogburster" and "protoburster".

                It is the big "mistress-larvae" from the comics "Aliens: Genocyde".


Edit 46: Added the "exomorph" between the "engineer" and the "bat".

                I stumbled over this XCOM/Aliens-Crossover a few days ago. It is a very interesting xenomorph form.


                "Normaly after the full evolvement of a xenomorph embryo to a Chestburster it leaves the host and kills him/her. Sometimes this didn´t happen.

                The embryo starts melting together with its host during the evolvement to a Chestburster. From host to host the melting process differs in lenght from a few hours to a few days.

                It is very painful for the host when his/her body slowly begin to mutate and become a disgusting mix of a xenomorph and the host species.

                After the melting process is completed the mind of the host is usually destroyed and the xenomorph takes control over the new formed body; however, on rare occasions,

                the host has an "awakening", in which the host's personality and memories are retained, but are augmented by xenomorph instincts."



                My variant looks slightly different. I changed the dark green skin to a more human color because I think if the hostbody mutates this attribute would be to prevalent to change.

                Also the size of my variant is more like other crossbreedings and it only has two arms.

                Picture is the "Albino Xenomorph redesign" made by Phuc Dang: www.artstation.com/artwork/lY2…


Edit 45: Added the "crocodile xenomorph" from the Batman x Aliens comics.


Edit 44: Added a adult "newborn". Body is from the great "Neo/Newborn" rendering by Noely Ryan. Face is from the juvenile "newborn".

                It is located between the "swimmer" and the "carrier".

                Changed the name of the "newborn" to "newborn (juvenile)


Edit 43: Added the "unnamed xenomorph predater" with the name "xenomorph prime predator" between the "Spider" and the "arachnoid":


Edit 42: Added the "Welles Xenomorph Hybrid". It is located between "Earth Angel" and "Cloned Drone".

                Added Bruce Hansings Xenomorph King. It is located next to the "Acheron Queen".

                Added the "tusked xenomorph". It is located between the "arachnid" and the "runner".


Edit 41: Big edit:
                Changed the pattern of the dome on "queen mother" to make it more round.

                Added TWO (!) more legs on the "spider"! I am a spider owner and did not notice that two legs were missing!

                Enlarged the back spines of the "earth queen" to match the draft.


Edit 40: Changed the name "red mother queen" to "mistress. The big red one is clearly a different caste than the little bluish "queen mother".

                In the comic "Aliens:Genocide" the term "mistress" is used for the big queens.

               

                Some little corrections on the "spider".


                Added "Ripley in Xenosuit". This one was made as a concept drawing for Neill Blomkamps "Alien5".

                The figure, and the photo is made by Oz-Muerte . Thank you very much.



Edit 39: Added the "Bluish Xenomorph Queen Mother" from the comic "Female War/Earth War".

                It is a small one so it is placed between "mantis" and "hive-warrior".

                Changed the name red "Queen Mother" into "Red Queen Mother".

                Changed size and position of the "king".


Edit 38: Added my own creation. The "xenomorph spider".

              It is made out of the NECA "spider gremlin" and a "Praetorian".

              I was asked by jason1701 to create this "xenomorph spider".

              It is placed between "neomorph" and "arachnoid".


Edit 37: I know. One edit chases the next. Anyway..

              Added the "berserker predalien" from the computergame. The size is not 100% clear.

              Some colour and contrast corrections on the "whity hybrid" and the "white hybrid king" to make the shape more clear.

              "The abomination" is now called "the abomination predalien".

              Erased the "super yautja" and the "hellhound" because they are on the yautja size chart.


Edit 36: Some little retouchings on the "white hybrid king", "white hybrid" and "earth angel".

              Changed the position and size of the "king". It stands now on the right of the "acheron-queen".

              "Praetorian" is now in the top row.


Edit 35: Added the "earth angel alien" from the comic. This is a new picture creation. I am not really sure how big this thing was.

              I put it between "super yautja" and "specimen 6".

              Added the "white hybrid". Put it between "chrysalis" and "boiler".


Edit 34: Changed the picture of the "king" from the sideshow-version to the prodosgames-version. It looks more brutal and the angle of the picture makes the shape more clear.

              Some minor retouchings on the "white hybrid king".


Edit 33: Added the "white hybrid king" from the comics.


Edit 32: Erased the expanded universe creatures form the yautjas. Only xenomorph-related yautjas are still there. Yautja will get an own chart.


Edit 31: Changed the picture of the "berserker yautja". It stands now upright. Changed the name to "super yautja" because "berserker" is an individual and the race itself is calles "super predator".

               Slight retouching on the "genetically altered yautja". Changed the name to "yautja assassin". This name may change soon because there are some different names in the internet.

               Movie calls it "ultimate predator". Internet  says "upgraded", "genetically altered" or "hybrid" predator. Maybe movie refers with this new one to the "mutated predator" from the comics.


Edit 30: It is predator-day! Due to the new (not so good) movie "The Predator", i added new yautja-creatures.
              First one is the "yautja berserker" from the movie "Predators" beetween "specimen 6" and "cloned drone". I decided to add it because in the xenopedia it is clearly a sub-species of the yautja.

              Second is a preview-version of the "upgraded- or ultimate predator".  By now i named it "yautja (genetically altered) because it seems to be not a natural form of yautja.

              This yautja-creature may be similar to "cloned xenomorphs". I do not know if i keep it in the chart, because I don't want to put in every redundant creature such a sthe "river ghost").

              But it is a new creature and there are no good pictures of it so i marked it grey. It is on the first row to the left.


Edit 29: Turned the head of the "spitter" to make shape and height more clear.


Edit 28: I have come up with a method of how to adjust the height of the xenomorphs evenly, despite the different postures.

              I look for the point at the base of the neck, where the upper ribs begin and extend the neckline to the skullcap. This point on the skull I rotate in the vertical. The now set point is the marker where the size is set.
              With this method, I compensate the unequal posture, because as soon as a Xenomorph presses the chin on the chest, the back of the head is massively in the air

              So now I corrected nearly every shown xenomorphs height.


              This screenshot shows how i mean this: sta.sh/0y0ymvkc58p


              Chart is now a little bit wider.

              "Deacon" is now on the left in the top-row.


Edit 27: Changed the height of the "gorilla" and raised the head to match the correct size more precise.

              Added a litte easteregg. Just for fun. You see it?


Edit 26: Changed the picture of the "yautja". Now shown is "yautja" "Wolf". He stands upright.

              Changed the picture of the "predalien". Now it looks more agressive and the shape is more clear.


Edit 25: Changed the pictures of the "snake" and the "scorpion" due to the new necaonline.com/ figures.

              Edited the "praetorian". Due to a PN the "praetorian" has no digitigrade legs. So i used normal "warrior legs" instead.

              Deleted the "spiked head support" of the swimmer. Every xeno wich wants to put its head back doesn't have the "back-spike".

              Some little misspellings corrected.


Edit 24: Added the Scientific classification "internecivus raptus" from the movies.


Edit 23: Changed the picture of the "crusher". Its now a cg-image and fits better with the other xenos.


Edit 22: Turned the head of "specimen 6" to make the shape more clear.

              Little color-correction on the "6" to make it more visible.


Edit 21: Added the "warrior" "Specimen 6" between "warrior" and "cloned drone".

              I think "specimen 6" needs to be in this chart because it is no regular warrior.

              There are some major differences, such as the head (appears to be a combination of smooth- and warrior-head and not far away from the "praetorian" head).

              As well "specimen 6" has no protruding bones on the forearms.


Edit 20: Added some golden tint to the "crusher".


Edit 19: Opened the jaws of the "earth-queen" to make it look more agressive.


Edit 18: Due to a comment from Spacejockey102102 the size of the "queen" was not correct.

            There is a major difference between the "queens" of "Aliens" and "AvP". On www.jamescamerononline.com you can read about this:

            "The AVP Queen is 20 feet high (although the CG version shows her even bigger) while the original Queen's height was 14 feet, double the size of a man.

            According to Alec Gillis, Paul Anderson wanted her bigger. He wanted her as big as he thought/imagined she was when he was young watching the movie.

            The AVP Queen was colossal. But the size of the Queen in ALIENS was carefully calculated, based on real biology and how much bigger queens are than the regular workers/warriors"


            So I reduced the size of the "queen" to 4,6m an put her between the "rogue" and the "ultramorph". She is now called "acheron-queen".

       

            I added the "queen" from "AvP" with a height of 6m and put her between the "t-rex" and the "king". She is called "earth-queen".

            The picture is a combination of two pictures because there are very few images of the legs of the "earth-queen".

            But it was nessecary because the "earth-queens" body is very different to the "acheron-queen".


            The mature "deacon" is now in the lower left.


            Slight retouching on the "swimmer" to make the tail more visible.


Edit 17: In preparation of another big edit I changed this list of edits. Newest one is now on top.


Edit 16: Changed whips on the back and the tail of the "king" to make the shapes more visible.


Edit 15: Because of the 200 megapixel (width) limitation for deviantArt-submissions i changed the chart.
            I had to split the picture and stack it up, otherwise I would have had to run down the quality to the point where the little xenomorphs became pixelated.

Edit 14: Added the black "bodyburster".
            Added the big "abomination" predalien.

Edit 13: Added the "trilobiteburster" or wahtever you want to call a immature "trilobite"
            Added the "hybrid chestburster" or "predalienburster"
            Added the "arachnid". Painted by Kory Lynn Hubbell

Edit 12: Added the "swimmer". I created this one by myself because it only appears in comics. It was made out of parts from "queen", "alien shark", "snake" and "warrior“.

Edit 11: Changed the "t-rex" to a more frontal view to fit better with the other xenos.

Edit 10: Reduced the picture upt to 90% because of deviantArts limitations

Edit 9: Addet The "Xenomorph t-rex" made by Oliver Pabilona.

Edit 8: Added a female "yautja“.

Edit 7: Changed the name "matriarch" back to "empress", because "matriarch" was the name of an individual grey xenomorph. "Empress" is the name of the caste.

Edit 6: Edited the "matriarch". Raised the hips, made the legs longer, more quality and colour-corrections.

Edit 5: Changed the picture of the "matriarch“.

Edit 4: Small colour-correction on the "predalien"
           Some misspellings corrected

Edit 3: Added the "ultraburster" (name creation by me)

Edit 2: Added the heights between the name and the xeno-pictures
           Added the "protoburster" (name creation by me)
           Changed the head of the "deacon"
           Added the "lurker"
           Changed "gorilla" with the "predalien"
           Added a "neomorph queen"
           Changed the "deacon" to "deaconburster" (name creation by me)
           Added a (mature) "deacon"
           Changed some heights (Vasquez from 1,8m to 1,6m)

Edit 1: Changed the "hammerpede" to a more accurate version. Is is slightly bigger now
           Edited the height of the "hellhound". Is is slightly bigger now
           Deleted the "joker" due to a comment of Dinzydragon
           Little colour-correction of the "spitter"
           Changed the "bat". Now it spreads out both wings
           Little colour-correction of the "mantis"
           Changed the position of the "skull throne"
           Little colour-correction and sharpening of the "trilobite"
           Changed the "ultramorph" to the version of the prometheus-design
           Slightly uncompressed the xenomorphs
           Some little retouchings done

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Comments: 116

Fury4Justice [2019-02-03 07:40:18 +0000 UTC]

For some reason, the image refuses to enlarge to its full 22975×7087 size, and instead is limited to a maximum size of 1920 x 593. What's going on?

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Fury4Justice [2019-02-06 07:01:31 +0000 UTC]

Hi there!


Thanx for this information.

That was not supposed to be and I changed it back to BIG!


Please try and let me know if it works!

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Fury4Justice In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-02-07 04:01:59 +0000 UTC]

It's working now, though for some reason there's no "Download" button on the right like in most deviations. Thanks anyway.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Fury4Justice [2019-02-08 14:03:57 +0000 UTC]

well the original size is displayed.

no need for a download button


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Fury4Justice In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-02-12 16:07:30 +0000 UTC]

Scratch that, the image that shows up and that I can download is only 4409 x 1360. That's even smaller than the non-Expanded Universe version.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Fury4Justice [2019-02-13 08:39:45 +0000 UTC]

dA is still changing. Please let me know if you can not see the highest quality.

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Fury4Justice In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-02-16 06:38:44 +0000 UTC]

It worked. Full size in all its glory. Thank you very much.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Fury4Justice [2019-02-18 08:29:49 +0000 UTC]

great! you're welcome!

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Fury4Justice [2019-02-13 08:36:19 +0000 UTC]

well fuck! devianArt changes the display size. i will activate the download button for you!

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Yukimori-Cherokee In reply to ??? [2018-03-19 05:11:53 +0000 UTC]

please tell me where I can find information on your eggmorph. it looks cool, and somewhat like it was a whole mass of flesh that could ungulf a regular egg. though i am wondering about the specific details as to how other Xenomorphs would create an eggmorph after their queen is gone... maybe the queen created the egg morph for an egg to be placed in, the egg morph would then make the facehugger inside become a queen. that would be interesting.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Yukimori-Cherokee [2018-03-19 07:51:24 +0000 UTC]

Hi there,

here you have some information:

avp.wikia.com/wiki/Eggmorphing

and this is the original deleted scene from "Alien":

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6dSIM…

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Sia-Adopts [2018-02-22 01:41:54 +0000 UTC]

Creepy cool

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Sia-Adopts [2018-02-22 08:31:26 +0000 UTC]

Thanx

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Sia-Adopts In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2018-02-22 08:34:16 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome

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grisador In reply to ??? [2018-02-05 12:07:11 +0000 UTC]

Truly Awesome work !

What do you think about the xenomorph life cycle ?
I thought they're able to molt into Queens

Althrough I've to disagree with the theory of bigger female yautja; as the 'Big Mama' predator shows little difference than males

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-02-06 09:16:45 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

Well i am not a fanof this molting into another caste like in the video games.
This concept makes the other stages of the lifecycle a little obsolete.

I know this was invented with the purpose, that if there is no egg-producing xenomorph left in the hive, one xeno can molt into a queen so the hive can regain.
It's hard to believe that an individual xenomorph can decide to molt. Normally a molting is a natural growing process.

For this situation (no egg laying xeno in the hive) i like the idea of eggmorhing.
A drone catches a host and start the process of eggmorphing. This egg may hatch every time a royal facehugger. If it is a random facehugger the rebuilding of the hive would be harder.
But every time you need hosts. I think if there is no host, the hive can not be rebuild and would die. The xenomorph is an host based organism. No host no xenos.

The idea of a female yauja beeing a little bigger and more feminin comes from the Aliens vs. Predator novel series, which state female Yautja have overtly feminine features such as breasts.
In the crossover-comic Witchblade/Aliens/Darkness/Predator: Mindhunter there is a female yautja called "Sister Midnight" who looks more feminin.

There is an inconsistence i know.

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2018-02-27 11:44:50 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome ! A genuinely great work that deserves more appeciation !


I like the Molting process because it gaves a solution for one xeno that could re-start the entire species back; if the right circumstances were found; like Royal jelly/and no leading xenomorph castes. It also explains the whole 'gender' concept of the Xenomorphs. İe Parthanogenesis/Asexual reproduction & the possiblity of Hermophroditic aliens. However You misunderstood it; a normal xenomorph cannot decide to molt; it could be forced the molt either only by the Queen into her next heir/Preatorian-Young Queens if the Queen is far too old and she decides herself to expose one of her subjects to expose to the Royal Jelly; the other way is to after one Queen/Empress/Queen mother's killed; the most Alpha xenomorph's to become one by being exposed by other xeno's to Certain process'es. They still Do need to Hosts; the New Queen's able to produce eggs; by parthanogenesis; but the eggs do need hosts very very much. It does makes sense as it made the Xenomorphs look more like a 'natural' species that evolved perfectly. İt isn't truly natural; The Xeno's could still produce RoyalFacehuggers, it happens in the great Times of Stress. 
As far As I read from the comics that explained the QueenMothers and the most liked AvP game; its most likely Canon. However I do see the eggmorphing as a concept; possible; Xenomorphs could found more than one way to reproduce/egg production. 


İn the only known cannon example of a female predator; also known as 'Big Mama' ; showed only a little difference; coloration/different dreadlocks; from the males; that truly made sense to their Species as True 'aliens' to not show any similiariaties to Human's. İn previous; likely non cannon; 'explaination' given in one comic; the female predators explained un-logically being not only a little; but far more larger and far more stronger&aggressive than Males that they also've a habit to kill males; that truly doesn't made any sense; as they made look predators like Earth Spiders. 
Maybe the appearance of females changes from Subspecies to Subspecies; and from clan to clan; thus making both explainations possible; or there're alpha females & beta females - also making both explainations possible. 


Most likely explaination for major inconsistencies in the AvP universe; is the constant change between supporter companies and directors. 

I hope you'ld continue to make awesome art like that; I'ld like to talk about the possible Space Jockey/Engineer Subtypes/Subspecies as Well 

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-03-12 13:21:07 +0000 UTC]

hi there!


well i guess i did misunderstood the molting process.
If a lower xenomorph-caste can only molt if forced to molt by a higher caste it makes much more sense.
Otherwise there would be no reason for not molting into a higher caste. And a whole planet would instantly be full of fat queens ^^

Thank you for the clarification.

I will overthink the female yautja-problem.

And i am very interested in what you have to say about the Spacejockey problem. I kand of dislike the new prometheus way of engeneers.

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2018-04-03 10:17:12 +0000 UTC]

Hello !

Indeed; Generally all xeno's are potentially capable of infecting a planet much like necromorphs of Dead space. But almost all phetomones are under the control of current Queen/Empress or Queen Mother. But without the lackness of one all xeno's could potentially become Queens or more; usually the dominant one/s. There's an ant species that show an extremely similiar behaviore that all colony're fertile workers that are potential reproducers; but the dominant one steriles them/make them dormant. Its called '' Gamergate '' in ant terminalogy. That would explain a lot and make xenomorphs more alike space ants/wasps

Very welcome

I speculate that there're different types of females in different clans and subspecies that might vary a lot. Or there're Alpha & Beta females that alpha's are the larger ones and beta's are the competing ones.


İn Space Jockeys; the solution might be the species heavily Genetically modified & engineered themselves & become something akin to The Combine of Half Life genre and/or several Speculative Human/Trans-Human species from speculative evolution. There're worker species; leader species, and warrior sub-species (maybe even similiar to Advent of XCOM2) all are descendants of one species and are gathered on one function/direction until a likely fatal civil war; so both Giant Behemoth Space Jockeys & Engineers are very possible.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-08-01 09:22:41 +0000 UTC]

Hi there again.


I found the video about the early derelict theories.

I wrote it of for you:


"if the derelict craft was made by someone or if it was grown instead
it has even been speculated that the craft itself may even be alive
the derelict craft shares biomechanical traits with the alien creature itself
it was this fact that led many to come up to the conclusion that the derelict craft may be a living vessel or explains where the alien eggs were coming from
many people began to wonder if it was a derelict craft itself that was creating or laying the xenomorph eggs
there is a concept art for the derelict crafts egg room as drawn by HR Giger
many people speculated that these bulbs on the side of the walls were a kind of womb that we’re producing the eggs there
it even appears to be a type of biomechanical conveyor belt leading from the womb down to where the eggs are placed now
remember there was no evidence of a queen alien or any evidence of eggmorphing at this time
the sheer idea of a living derelict craft that was giving birth to aliens is a crazy idea but the craziness doesn’t stop there
alien fans also speculated as to what the space jockey was
if you look at the original spacejockey design that was used in alien
the pilot looks as if he is growing out of his seat this led many people to believe that the spacejockey itself was growing from the derelict
it was the brain to the ship. the pilot itself is a creature of inhuman size and appearence with a somewhat humanoid look
its most alien feature is the bone like extension leading from its face onto its chest
the creature was included in the very first script of the film and described as a grotesque thing barring no resemblance to the human form
at the request of ridley scott the pilot is a symbol of the vastness of space and the horrifing creatures that exists in the corpse is seemingly fused to the telescope like device
hr giger commented on the design:
the creature we finally ended up with building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into or maybe even out of hs seat
he’s integrated totally into the function he performs
one could then imagine a different alien universe if these theories ended up coming true a living craft with a grown brain or nerve center
that was the spacejockey itself perhaps the jockeys that the ship grew could stand and leave the chairs than we can think of the craft is giving birth to a race of aliens
the ship would also be growing the alien eggs and its cargo hold
its possible that the alien was a weapon system of the craft or simply just another extension of itself like the spacejockeys"

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2018-10-25 18:25:10 +0000 UTC]

Understood. But the possbility of Xenomorphs being Similiar to Not only Gamergate but also Hives with multiple Queens remains. 


But I presume the Ship being 'attached' to the Space Jockey makes the Pilot Extremely Vulnerable, never being able to leave.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-10-26 09:44:20 +0000 UTC]

Maybe we should not speak of Derelict and Jockey as two parts, but see it as a whole. As if the jockey was just a kind of organ. I always have to think of living spaceships like LEXX or Star Trek.

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-07-09 15:11:31 +0000 UTC]

İndeed

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2021-10-19 13:25:31 +0000 UTC]

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2021-10-19 18:01:52 +0000 UTC]

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2021-10-21 09:14:35 +0000 UTC]

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-04-03 11:39:11 +0000 UTC]

Hi,

thats great! I did not knew the "gamergate" ants!

"A gamergate is a mated worker ant that is able to reproduce sexually, i.e. lay fertilized eggs that will develop as females."

THAT is really fitting the xenomorph-lifecircle! Thank you for this good information!


Considering spacejockeys/engineers:

I always liked the idea that the derelict spacecraft and the spacejockey were once one living thing!
Somewhere is a youtube video that defines that, but i do not find this video again.

It was like the derelict was once some form of hybrid of technology and biology (biomechanics you know ). Maybe it was covered with skin inside and outside.
The pilot is some form of "brain" to the ship. Maybe it is "born" (or made) with the ship togehther and is always in this "chair".
In the video there was the idea that the ship itself maybe was filled with some kind of fluid. Because the pilot does not move and there is no other crew the tunnels and hallways were some ind of veins.
In addition the alien-eggs maybe are some kind of weapon and born in the ship to. There is one HR Giger painting called "HR Giger's Egg Silo Interior" that suggest that.

All of that did not deny the existence of other engineer castes.
But i do not support the idea of an engineer in a suit that hops into the driving-chair.
It is a stupid idea to explain the derelict and the spacejockey from alien like this!

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2018-10-25 18:31:05 +0000 UTC]

I also read about the Ant hives with Multiple/Several Queens, also I read that the Queens aren't actually 'lead' the Hive, its workers/warriors who make the call, Queen being only the reproductive caste.

The Xenomorph Queen is likely reverse at that part, but I like to speculate a Hive with Multpile Queens at peace 

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2018-10-26 09:52:19 +0000 UTC]

I thinkk this is a good realistic idea.

Some form of telepathy (like a queen can control drones just by thinking is in my oppinion not a good idea.


I think that a form of swarm intelligence exists in the hive. But not a commander and command receiver situation.

Perhaps the queen can use lutes, gestures, or smells to give orders to the drones in her immediate vicinity, but I think it's unlikely the queen will say, "Now, please, all the aliens at level 3 and kill the Marines."



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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-07-09 15:11:24 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to grisador [2019-08-02 06:44:21 +0000 UTC]

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grisador In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2019-11-07 14:00:08 +0000 UTC]

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Dinzydragon In reply to ??? [2017-12-06 23:59:17 +0000 UTC]

Joker Xenomorph? What Joker doing here?

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-07 07:31:12 +0000 UTC]

Well i used all xenos i can find a good picture of.
I didn't know that there is a Joker-Xeno.
Kind of funny...

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-07 09:52:30 +0000 UTC]

I know, now that's funny, what next, Bat-Xeno (Batman Xenomorph), Super-Xeno (Superman Xenomorph) or the DC's Justice League-Xeno (Epic superhero Xenomorphs), or Marvel's Avengers-Xeno, Wolverine-Xeno, X-Xenomorphs (X-Men) and many more (my kind of superhero/supervillain idea)

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-07 13:08:14 +0000 UTC]

Hm... i think you are right. Maybe this xenomorph is a step to far.
I would erase the joker-xeno if you mind.

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-07 14:32:59 +0000 UTC]

Sure, go ahead

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-07 18:23:50 +0000 UTC]

Okay. I will add and change some more and upload he new version soon.

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-07 20:39:32 +0000 UTC]

No problem at all

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-08 14:44:01 +0000 UTC]

I uploaded the new version!
Take a look!

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-08 23:33:26 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, can you send a link?

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-09 08:15:08 +0000 UTC]

A link for what?

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-09 08:54:23 +0000 UTC]

for me of course

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-11 13:13:08 +0000 UTC]

! Sure the link is FOR you. But to what should the link lead to?
The new version is this up here!

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-11 13:50:20 +0000 UTC]

To me, Dinzydragon

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to Dinzydragon [2017-12-11 14:11:52 +0000 UTC]

I don't get it.

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Dinzydragon In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-12 00:13:59 +0000 UTC]

Universes my profile

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WingVinnieCustom In reply to ??? [2017-12-06 22:50:17 +0000 UTC]

I know some of them, but can you tell me all of whats in the picture?  Curious but I can't get a good enough view to read it.

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Risen-From-The-Ruins In reply to WingVinnieCustom [2017-12-07 07:30:18 +0000 UTC]

I added the list of shown xenos in the description.

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WingVinnieCustom In reply to Risen-From-The-Ruins [2017-12-07 12:20:23 +0000 UTC]

Alright, thanks.

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