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Published: 2014-10-09 22:20:57 +0000 UTC; Views: 28115; Favourites: 150; Downloads: 228
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Description A rather silly scenario based on, of all things, a Family Guy gag where the Japanese "never gave up." Of course, their PoD (no nukes) is still to silly, so I went with something only slightly more realistic. 

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In the late 1930s, the United States was more committed to isolationism, and never passed any embargoes against Japan. As a result, the Japanese focused on securing its continental holdings, never seriously contemplating an attack on the United States, and eventually entered into a war with the Soviet Union in 1942. With the Americans never having entered the war, though giving some supplies to the British, the Allies fared worse, particularly the Soviet Union. However, the Allies were still superior economically to the Axis, and managed to defeat the Axis. The Germans sued for peace after a successful coup against Hitler in 1945, and the Japanese asked for a ceasefire agreement after they were thrown out of Asia.

Not surprisingly, a cold war between the former Allies began as soon as the war ended. Unable to rely on American assistance, as American promises of aid against the Soviets were intentionally vague, Western Europe united further and earlier. The United States of Europe was founded in the 1960s, and is a British-dominated project. The Europeans fear that they are losing the Cold War, as the 1970s was an era that saw the rise of the Union of Arab Republics and the fall of formerly pro-European South Africa to the communist African National Congress. This has drawn Europe and America closer, though America is still far from committed to Europe's crusade against communism. 

The Soviets are starting to feel the pains of an overstretched empire. The Chinese tail is beginning to wag the Soviet dog, aided by liberalizing economic reforms and their massive population, and there are numerous talks between Chinese and American diplomats that concern Moscow. Eastern Europe is starting to become restless, and the rise of the UAR is damaging the Soviet Union's past ties in Africa and the Middle East. The People's Union of South Africa broke from the Soviet sphere in 1980, breaking apart many African communist groups between pro-Soviet and pro-South African factions. 

The Union of Arab Republics has been expanding throughout the 1970s, and is widely considered the world's rising star. Its message of Arab nationalism and anti-Western, anti-communist ideology appeals to many in the Third World, and many fear that the UAR may take control of the majority of the world's oil reserves. Thus, both Europe and the Soviets are ensuring that their allies in the Middle East do not fall to a nationalist revolution. The UAR has made an alliance of convenience with the Empire of Japan, a state which it sees as a positive role model against the "global system of two." The Japanese, for their part, have cut themselves off from the outside world since the end of WWII, and their government propaganda teaches the people that the Japanese won the war. There are fears that the Japanese are teaching UAR scientists how to build atomic weapons.

The Americans remain neutral, content to have one of the most powerful economies on the planet without having to spend so much on a military-industrial complex. Of course, the Americans ensure that their sphere of influence, the Americas and the Philippines, are free of unwanted movements and states. Though they see the Europeans as overly jingoistic and interventionist, the American government and people support Europe's fight against communism and the UAR, figuring it's better them than us. As a result, a lot of American financial aid goes to Europe, bringing into question just how neutral the American giant would be in case of war.

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Comments: 37

Whiteshore1 [2016-12-16 13:27:59 +0000 UTC]

Is Democratic Malaya some Khmer Rouge-esque nightmare?

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Whiteshore1 [2015-12-23 04:22:02 +0000 UTC]

1. Do the Indian generals use Hindu Fundamentalism to keep themselves in power?
2. What is the world's most horrible place?
3. Who succeeded Stalin?

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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2015-12-23 07:21:18 +0000 UTC]

1. A little, mostly they appeal to "pan-Indian" nationalism. 
2. Probably the Central African Republic. 
3. Molotov. 

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bruiser128 [2015-01-25 15:19:42 +0000 UTC]

I honestly think an interesting development would be the US manipulating event
behind the scenes to make the Soviet Union and China blow each other up.

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RvBOMally In reply to bruiser128 [2015-01-25 20:18:59 +0000 UTC]

Considering the effects of fallout, that would be unwise. 

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bruiser128 In reply to RvBOMally [2015-01-25 20:34:10 +0000 UTC]

Well got the idea after watching the twelfth season of Red VS Blue.

But wouldn't the fallout only affect the Central, northern and eastern Asia?

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RvBOMally In reply to bruiser128 [2015-01-25 23:02:09 +0000 UTC]

No, winds will scatter fallout around the entire world.

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bruiser128 In reply to RvBOMally [2015-01-26 02:02:05 +0000 UTC]

And then bye bye to cities on the pacific then.

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frazamm [2014-10-16 17:45:57 +0000 UTC]

Not such a silly scenario, convenient in certain aspects to keep the Americans isolationist but quite plausible. The one possible nag: if the Soviets were busy with the Japanese, I doubt they'd have managed to conquer so much of Eastern Europe. If America was not aiding them as much as it did, I doubt they'd have been so successful in a two-front war, even if the Chinese did most of the fighting in the East. But as I said, still quite plausible.

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RvBOMally In reply to frazamm [2014-10-16 17:56:14 +0000 UTC]

The Japanese weren't capable of resisting the Soviets very effectively; Khalkin Gol proves this, to the extent that the Japanese never attacked the Soviet Union afterward. The Asian war is a backwater for the Soviets, and beating Nazi Germany was still the priority. 

What's implausible here is the US staying out for the entire war. 

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frazamm In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-16 18:27:06 +0000 UTC]

I think it was a close run thing. Any other president than Rooseveldt ... I mean, whatever possessed the Japanese? Okay, we know what did, and what they thought, but there was not much interest in war with Japan in America. Unless ... conspiracy theories abound.

The Asian war is backwater: they let the Chinese fight it then.

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RvBOMally In reply to frazamm [2014-10-16 19:02:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes, they let the Chinese fight it. 

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Surenity [2014-10-10 20:50:24 +0000 UTC]

I wonder, after WWII does the Holocaust still become exposed to the world? I also wonder if Communism will still fall in 1991, as it seems a lot stronger in this scenario.

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RvBOMally In reply to Surenity [2014-10-10 22:09:13 +0000 UTC]

The Holocaust still gets exposed. And communism may fall earlier than OTL, or later, I honestly haven't given it any thought. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 02:19:24 +0000 UTC]

It would be interesting to see the fall of communism in TTL. Given how large and multifaceted it is (USSR, China, ANC) and a 'neutral' US. 
Did any one get out of Taiwan? Like to Hong Kong or Singapore 

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 02:20:46 +0000 UTC]

There are diaspora communities in Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, the USA and the USE. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 02:30:14 +0000 UTC]

Any unity or are they mostly unconnected?

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 03:07:13 +0000 UTC]

Mostly unconnected. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 03:56:58 +0000 UTC]

So are the UK NOT going to hand over Hong Kong in TTL? 

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 04:10:25 +0000 UTC]

Not a chance. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 04:18:42 +0000 UTC]

So not a chance of them not handing it over? 

Wonder that will go over in Moscow and Europe

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 04:32:28 +0000 UTC]

Not a chance of turning them over. Moscow would grumble, but do little else, while Europe would celebrate it as sticking it to the reds. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 04:37:18 +0000 UTC]

Cool. 

So how bad did it get in South Africa? Was there a civil war or ethnic cleansing? Or peaceful

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 04:39:57 +0000 UTC]

Plenty of violence against whites, many of whom were forced to leave. Non-Africans (mixed and Asians) also got the short end of the stick. Lots of land redistribution ostensibly to help the poor Africans, but in reality it went to ANC officers and their family and friends. 

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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-11 04:52:21 +0000 UTC]

Sounds like a mega Zimbabwe.

Does the government 'quarantine' supplies of medicine to dissident areas as well.


How does the UAR and USA get along?

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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2014-10-11 05:47:43 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, South Africa is a large Zimbabwe that does all sorts of nefarious, underhanded crap like that. 

The USA and UAR don't like each other. The Americans think the Arabs are causing a lot of instability, and to the Arabs the US is just another Western imperialist. 

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Xanthoc [2014-10-10 02:21:20 +0000 UTC]

A bit surprised the Swiss would join the USE, but I do like the interventionist Europe and economics-minded USA

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RvBOMally In reply to Xanthoc [2014-10-10 02:26:11 +0000 UTC]

I just wanted to avert the Swiss neutrality trope for once.

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PersephoneEosopoulou [2014-10-10 00:47:41 +0000 UTC]

So Japan is sort of like a very vague North Korea analogue of sorts ?

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RvBOMally In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2014-10-10 00:58:49 +0000 UTC]

Of course. 

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hlovell [2014-10-10 00:17:51 +0000 UTC]

Eastern India looks pretty funky looking. Either Sikkim and Northeast India are both independent, or one of them is an exclave of India cut off from the rest of the country by Bengal, or both of them are Indian exclaves.

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RvBOMally In reply to hlovell [2014-10-10 00:19:32 +0000 UTC]

They're both exclaves. 

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hlovell In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-10 00:25:33 +0000 UTC]

Mkay. I wonder how that's affecting India's relations with Bangladesh.

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RvBOMally In reply to hlovell [2014-10-10 00:58:44 +0000 UTC]

The Bangladeshi do whatever the Indians want, because it's clear that some politicians would jump at a chance to correct that border as well. 

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hlovell In reply to RvBOMally [2014-10-10 18:06:13 +0000 UTC]

Fair dinks.

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MrImperatorRoma [2014-10-09 22:49:44 +0000 UTC]

I take it that since South Iran is this TL's version of OTL South Korea they would see great economy growth soon?

An awesome scenario though as always.

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RvBOMally In reply to MrImperatorRoma [2014-10-09 22:54:22 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, those oil reserves will finally start paying off. 

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