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Description A cover of QuantumBranching 's Greater Georgia . Many thanks to QuantumBranching  for helping me make some tweaks to this world and adding parts to the text, although he isn't to blame for the Minnesota idea; that's all my fault.  

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  • The PoD is the South staying loyal during the American Revolution, while Canada joins the rebels. The Southern states later fight for independence (the British tried to ban slavery; how dare they!) and win, and while Carolina would avoid full integration with the Deep South (which would remain part of Georgia out to the Mississippi) disliking Terminus' [1] centralizing tendencies, it ultimately would remain within Georgia's orbit.
  • The United States eventually crumbles, but reforms as a more centralized unit centralized around New England. Still has a French-speaking minority that's rather loyal to the country and considers themselves instrumental to American independence; the Anglos disagree.
  • The French Revolution happened under different circumstances (for one, King Louis XVI is killed earlier), and is crushed more quickly. Napoleon never becomes anyone of note (only obscure historians know about his exploits in Italy, before he was shot in the leg and died from gangrene). France becomes the center of revanchism and becomes the local European troublemaker, before finally being crushed by the Allies in the Great War.
  • The Great War was between France, Russia and the Ottoman Empire against Britain, Germany, Austria and Italy. Georgia later joined in.
  • The Tsar was thrown out by a 1905-style revolution after the Great War. The Grand Duke ran off to Alaska and is still claiming the throne belongs to the proper Romanov heir. Said Romanov heir is too busy partying in Berlin to care.
  • After the fall of the First Republic and the restoration of semi-democracy, it was seen as necessary to weaken and decentralize the Russian state, lest things again return to the authoritarian norm. The Second Republic has managed to avoid tyranny, but the space vacated by the government has been colonized by corporate magnates and the bosses of criminal organizations, which often in fact are a bit hard to distinguish from each other. The corrupt and largely interchangeable political parties are largely bought off, and while there is a lot of money in Russia, and the lights are bright and the music hot in the big cities, social inequality has reached positively Brazilian levels. There are those who wonder if Russia is headed for its third violent change of government in less than a century...
  • The Chinese emperor was overthrown in a Taiping-style peasant rebellion. It was Taiping-like in its southern peasant origin and ferociously anti-Manchu attitudes, but led by an entirely orthodox Chinese Christian. Modern China is hungrily adopting British and German practices.
  • Italy is not a military joke ITTL, and had an impressive history of successes during the Italian Unification Wars, particularly against the French and the Austrians. They're the big winner of the Great War in Europe, joining a year late, and the rest of the Allies promised them French Central Africa if they joined. Desiring to link up their Kongolese and Libyan colonies, the Italians joined and placed the French (already at a stalemate in the Pyrenees and the Ardennes) in a precarious situation.
  • Iberia is some hyper-Catholic nasty mess that rose up in reaction to a French-backed republics in Spain and Portugal. Nasty dudes, just like their Imperial Japanese allies.
  • The Ottoman Empire collapsed in the 1920s after the Great War, and the European powers rush to pick up the pieces.
  • British rule in India never gelled as much as it did IOTL, and they were let go in the 1920s after it was clear that the British keeping their various "rajahs" in power would require troop commitments comparable to the Great War.
  • Persia modernized a bit more in the 19th century, and is now raking in cash thanks to oil.
  • Minnesota is the local North Korea, although far less belligerent and despotic. It was founded by an Aaron Burr type (not Burr himself) fleeing the United States, and has been isolated due to its liberal view on Native Americans. Nowadays, it's a 19th century relic and has shades of cult of personality around its founding fathers.

[1]  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta#…
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EASTFverse [2024-01-29 13:12:30 +0000 UTC]

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RvBOMally In reply to EASTFverse [2024-01-29 16:10:52 +0000 UTC]

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EASTFverse In reply to RvBOMally [2024-01-30 13:46:41 +0000 UTC]

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RvBOMally In reply to EASTFverse [2024-01-30 17:37:36 +0000 UTC]

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HCAOC [2023-10-04 21:39:09 +0000 UTC]

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RvBOMally In reply to HCAOC [2023-10-04 21:56:58 +0000 UTC]

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tfalthist [2022-12-09 01:00:51 +0000 UTC]

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RvBOMally In reply to tfalthist [2022-12-09 13:03:56 +0000 UTC]

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Historyman14 [2017-01-27 18:26:56 +0000 UTC]

How does Spain still have Cuba, and the Philippines? 

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RvBOMally In reply to Historyman14 [2017-01-27 18:37:39 +0000 UTC]

By not losing them.

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BadgingBadger [2016-04-30 19:12:57 +0000 UTC]

1. What's up with the three panhandle states between georgia and the northern US?
2. Is the iberian union a monarchy, a conservative republic, or a pseudo-fascist regime?
3. Is minnesota a true batshit-isolated state like OTL's north korea, or is it just badly seen by the rest of the world? If the latter is true, then why?

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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-05-02 01:08:34 +0000 UTC]

1. Carolina, Virginia, Ohio.
2. Pseudo-fascist regime. 
3. It really is crazy.

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BadgingBadger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-05-14 19:26:33 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.
gee, i wonder if, after caucasian georgia goes independent, there's gonna be a lot of schoolboy confusion.

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Whiteshore1 In reply to BadgingBadger [2018-05-09 10:03:27 +0000 UTC]

Or they could call themselves "Kartvellia".

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RvBOMally In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-05-02 01:07:53 +0000 UTC]

1. Carolina, Virginia, and Ohio. 

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springa73 [2016-04-16 12:32:14 +0000 UTC]

THis one's pretty interesting!

Are the pale green areas in OTL Virginia, Kentucky, and the Great Lakes states supposed to be independent countries that are allied with the USA,  or are they USA territories?

I wonder if the USA supported the Georgian rebellion against the British, or whether antislavery beliefs were strong enough to override the desire to stick it to the British.

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RvBOMally In reply to springa73 [2016-04-16 18:04:30 +0000 UTC]

They're independent states aligned with the USA. 

The Americans were neutral in the Georgian War of Independence. 

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chaotic-nipple [2016-02-18 07:01:00 +0000 UTC]

Is slavery still legal in Georgia or elsewhere?

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RvBOMally In reply to chaotic-nipple [2016-02-18 07:14:50 +0000 UTC]

Abolished in Georgia. I cannot speak for anywhere else in the world.

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Laputa-Scorefinger [2016-02-16 19:56:14 +0000 UTC]

Cool! Seems kind of like a pleasantly sleepy world, with no major awfulnesses on the horizon. Although maybe your usual dystopias have given me low expectations for livability.

How long did it take for Georgia to abolish slavery, and how is the racial situation these days?

How come California is part of the British Commonwealth but not the Quintuple Alliance? Is the Commonwealth more of a social club for Anglophones and less of a political alliance?

Do you have any ideas about how Italian unification happened ITTL, if the French Revolution was cut short and Napoleon didn't rampage around Europe?

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RvBOMally In reply to Laputa-Scorefinger [2016-02-16 20:09:38 +0000 UTC]

It's a B_Munro idea, so I didn't want to go overboard on the grimdark.

According to Bruce, Georgia abolished slavery in 1911. Race relations are still shitty, but will improve by the time 2016 rolls around.

Yes, it's former friends of Britain.

Italian unification was a more violent series of anti-Austrian wars in the mid-19th century.

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Laputa-Scorefinger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-17 16:33:24 +0000 UTC]

Gotcha.

How did Norway end up united to Sweden ITTL, without the Napoleonic Wars? IOTL Norway ended up in Swedish hands to punish Denmark's alliance with Napoleon, and because Sweden was still pissy about losing the Finnish War (which doesn't seem to have happened here).

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RvBOMally In reply to Laputa-Scorefinger [2016-02-17 16:39:40 +0000 UTC]

It's a 19th century alliance that had origins similar to the OTL EU: it started as a free trade zone, then evolved into political union. 

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Laputa-Scorefinger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-17 16:41:48 +0000 UTC]

But Denmark didn't want to join?

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RvBOMally In reply to Laputa-Scorefinger [2016-02-17 16:47:18 +0000 UTC]

The Prussians were eyeing Schleswig-Holstein, and while the Danes were committed to neutrality, the concern was that bringing Denmark in would just drag the other Scandinavian countries into war with Prussia. There were others who argued that a strong alliance of Scandinavian states would ward off the Prussians, but that was countered with the idea that it would entangle Scandinavia within the European web of alliances regardless. The Scandinavians eventually joined the Allies after the Great War, because of the Russians.  

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Laputa-Scorefinger In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-17 16:52:24 +0000 UTC]

Ah, makes sense. o.o

You've either given this a lot of thought, or you're good at making stuff up on the spot!

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RvBOMally In reply to Laputa-Scorefinger [2016-02-17 17:13:39 +0000 UTC]

I'll let you guess which one.

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SkyPotatoFire [2016-02-13 05:25:48 +0000 UTC]

Super!

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Zifker [2016-02-12 23:43:33 +0000 UTC]

MN wank - instant fave.

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jrh222 [2016-02-12 19:47:58 +0000 UTC]

So who's stronger, Georgia or the United States? Also, is the United states still considered a great power?

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RvBOMally In reply to jrh222 [2016-02-12 19:50:26 +0000 UTC]

Georgia is a bit stronger.

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BagelBagelBagel In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-16 00:40:01 +0000 UTC]

which one has better living standards?

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RvBOMally In reply to BagelBagelBagel [2016-02-16 01:35:39 +0000 UTC]

Probably Georgia.

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TLhikan [2016-02-12 14:54:37 +0000 UTC]

You know, it says something about my exposure to Alternate History that reading about isolationist totalitarian pariah state Minnesota doesn't phase me. 

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RvBOMally In reply to TLhikan [2016-02-12 20:15:21 +0000 UTC]

It says you're reading too much of my crap.

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TLhikan In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-12 22:44:33 +0000 UTC]

Your words, not mine

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bruiser128 [2016-02-12 12:16:48 +0000 UTC]

Didn't "dominion of Southern America" timeline have the same premise?

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RvBOMally In reply to bruiser128 [2016-02-12 20:14:46 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I cribbed it from that timeline. QuantumBranching originally had the United States rebelling as per OTL, with Georgia breaking off over the slavery issue much earlier.

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bruiser128 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-02-12 20:45:25 +0000 UTC]

I can see that happening if Nova Scotia and Quebec were part of the United States.

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hgfggg [2016-02-12 04:58:52 +0000 UTC]

Oh. Oh no, the Great Georgia War. 

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Auwinhawk [2016-02-12 04:23:54 +0000 UTC]

So what with this "Kingdom of Minnesota " and why is it a rogue state is Minnesota the North Korea of this world? 😅

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kyuzoaoi [2016-02-12 04:12:24 +0000 UTC]

So a Best Minnesota, a Georgia that still discriminates against blacks, and two Russian states, one in Alyeska?

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dsivis In reply to kyuzoaoi [2016-02-12 15:59:51 +0000 UTC]

Don't forget mega-Italy.

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