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Now for something a bit more optimistic. Kinda.---
The Munich putsch was a failure for the NSDAP. Hitler had underestimated the loyalty of the Bavarian government and thought that, like Mussolini, he could start a long march to Berlin and take absolute power. It was not to be. While Ludendorff was acquitted by the court for his participation in the Putsch, Hitler would not be so lucky, and he was sentenced to death.
The Nazis were not the only parties to try to overthrow the "Weimar Republic." German communists organized a general strike in Berlin, which evolved into rioting throughout the country, in 1926. The communists failed, and afterwards the German communist party was banned, and ties between Moscow and Berlin severed.
In 1933, as the world suffered in the throes of the Great Depression, a wave of radical violence swept Germany. Organized by German communists operating abroad, this new wave of violence broke out into full warfare. Britain and France, fearing the collapse of a bulwark against communism, intervened on the part of the German government. Even Italy, Germany's rival for influence in Austria and the Western Allies' rivals in Spain, joined the fray against the communists. Soviet agents aided the communists, but Stalin knew his country was unprepared for war with the West, and held off on direct intervention. The Berlin government ultimately triumphed over the communists.
In the East, war raged between China and Japan. Japan's militarism isolated it from the West, but overt Soviet support for the Chinese government also made the West fear the creation of an eastern bloc. With the West weary of global war, narrowly averted in Germany, the Japanese and Chinese were left to their devices. The Japanese were eventually expelled from the continent, including Korea, as the Chinese gained more support from the Soviet Union. The Chinese Communist Party, which Stalin saw as a rival, was stamped out for good when its leaders were arrested by the NKVD during a meeting between "fraternal socialist allies." In the aftermath, Japan's militarist leaders were thrown out, as they had brought Japan's economy to ruins. The new Japanese leaders sought a renewed relationship with the West, which was welcomed, as fears of a Sino-Soviet bloc were coming to pass.
The 1940s and 1950s were a period of recovery, but also one of great instability. The development of the atomic bomb in Britain, and then the Soviet Union, in 1949 ensured that a second world war would truly be the war to end all wars. Instead, the conflict between the West and the East continued as it did - through proxy conflicts. Vietnamese nationalists, backed by Nanking, triumphed over the French in Indochina. North Africa and the Middle East were plunged into chaos by the Arab nationalist movement, with colonial powers and their monarchist allies unable to hold back the fray. These unsuccessful wars abroad proved extremely unpopular among the people back home, as they bankrupted countries as effectively as any global war. The peace movements of the late 1950s brought an end to European dominance over Africa, the Near East, and the Far East. India, which fell to the Indian communists, was a particularly devastating loss to the British. In response to economic woes, the French, British and Germans formed the European Community, a free trade zone which would eventually evolve into a military alliance and more.
In the meanwhile, the Soviet Union transformed itself from within. Seeking to hold onto its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe, the Soviets portrayed themselves not as revolutionaries, but as protectors of Eastern Europe. This message also placated the growing nationalist movements, which threatened to tear the Soviet Union apart. A "Soviet nationalism," relying heavily on Russian history and even the Orthodox Church, proved an effective tool alongside terror. When Stalin died in 1956, his successors continued this legacy, effectively transforming the Soviet Union into the new Russian Empire. Likewise, China looked to its ancient past to bind the country together, and the Nationalist Party began to live up to its name. Soviet-style reforms proved effective at industrializing the country, at a disastrous cost to the people.
Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, tensions between the East and West calmed. The United States, the eternally neutral superpower and the largest economy in the world, decided to intervene in the name of peace. The Americans hosted several negotiations between the West and the East on reducing arms, particularly nuclear weapons, and ending the ongoing wars in Africa. In exchange, the United States entered into greater trade agreements with the East, reinvigorating the economies of the Soviet Union and China. The East also adopted market reforms in addition to opening up their economies. The détente between the West and East was temporarily interrupted in the 1980s, as the European Community drew closer together and hardliners took control of the Soviet Union. However, tensions between the two blocs were ultimately smoothed out, and a more moderate government took control of the Soviet Union in the 1990s.
While the "Sitting War" continues into the 21st century, fear of nuclear war has abated. The world is too interconnected; American fast food is sold in Peking and Leningrad, as it is in Berlin and Paris. Even a conventional war would grind the global economy to a halt, something the powerful in all countries do not want. The European Community is now a truly federalized entity, but its members do retain national parliaments which pass most laws. The Japanese Empire has long since abandoned militarism, and is even a major trade partner with China. The Soviet Union and China, while still autocratic one-party states, have toned down the oppression to placate Western businessmen, particularly Americans. The United States, still the premier economic power and considered a "third bloc" by itself, lords over the Americas, but is engaged in a war for influence with Brazil in South America. India, however, remains committed to the communist ideal. Believing the Soviets to be too soft on the West, the Indians have more or less left the Soviet bloc, and their once-vibrant relationship has become little more than a mutual defense pact against outsiders. Rising tensions between India and China may break the Eastern bloc apart, and turn India into a rogue element in the geopolitical game.
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XamuelReyes [2023-05-31 04:55:40 +0000 UTC]
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TheElevatedDeviant [2016-02-24 21:34:21 +0000 UTC]
This is a fairly similar world to that portrayed in 6 Commando.
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InfernoMole [2016-01-22 17:52:26 +0000 UTC]
Y'know, I certainly would like to see a movie, series or cartoon with an Italian fascist character.
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awesomedude19999 [2015-07-10 01:18:21 +0000 UTC]
The official name of the Weimar Republic was the German Reich, not the German Republic.
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RvBOMally In reply to awesomedude19999 [2015-07-10 01:21:59 +0000 UTC]
I'm aware. I put down "German Republic" so I wouldn't confuse people.
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SRegan [2015-06-22 16:47:18 +0000 UTC]
Very nice - interesting to see colonialism end at roughly the same time without WW2. I tend to think the enervating effect of the war, financially and in terms of manpower as well as will to fight, combined with the discrediting effect of fascism upon key colonial ideas and (for the British) the promise of home rule in return for participation in the war, brought the schedule forward by decades, but you make it sound plausible. Would Europe be more racist than OTL without the shock of the Holocaust, or has earlier global capitalism coupled with the development of British liberalism had a similar effect?
I wonder if the USA would be seen as quite as powerful or influential without WW2; as well as demonstrating its military might and leading to a short period where it was the sole possessor of the atomic bomb, it allowed the USA to substantially indebt the British and French Empires to itself, then exploit the new markets when they fractured. 'Eternal neutrality' is a cool concept (though it relies on its late contribution to WW1 being forgotten) and I can see it become the first unacknowledged then acknowledged global economic linchpin in the way China is today. It would probably be better regarded internationally, as a wielder of global soft rather than hard power.
I had the vague recollection that the Nationalists recognised Mongolia before the POD but then withdrew their recognition when it became clear the Soviet favoured the CCP, but can't seem to find the relevant treaty. Perhaps they only recognised its 'autonomy'?
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RvBOMally In reply to SRegan [2015-06-22 22:30:05 +0000 UTC]
I certainly agree that WWII sped along decolonization, but I think that even without WWII, its days were numbered. India already had an independence movement that was gaining steam, and ITTL, the loss of India is the jewel falling off the crown of the British Empire. Furthermore, the Soviet bloc is actively supporting anti-colonial movements as part of the Sitting War, so it's not like these anti-colonial rebels are getting guns out of nowhere.
I think the United States would be seen more or less as it was prior to WWII: a major economic power, but not a major military one. It's interesting that you picked up on the China analogy. That is how I pictured the US being: a regional power that nonetheless has global economic power. They are a formidable force regionally; isolationism or no, the Americans still believe that the Americas are their backyard. Of course, the rest of the West regards the United States in a much more positive light than the OTL West does OTL China. As for "eternal neutrality," a lot of Americans certainly dismissed the intervention in WWI in the run-up to WWII. I suppose ITTL's historiography, the American intervention would be seen as a minor, late-to-the-party affair.
I didn't hear about that treaty. It is interesting that you brought that up, because IIRC modern Mongolia was created as a buffer between China and the Soviet Union. I guess the two sides are more trusting ITTL.
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SteamPoweredWolf [2015-06-19 12:08:02 +0000 UTC]
Very well thought out timeline
I like the idea of Cuba becoming the Las Vegas of the Caribbean
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RvBOMally In reply to SteamPoweredWolf [2015-06-20 15:07:46 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. Cuba was the Las Vegas of the Caribbean during the 1940s and the early 1950s.
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Tuskin38 [2015-06-18 23:47:41 +0000 UTC]
So with the Oil in mostly Soviet hands, has the western world been looking at other sources of fuel? Or is it still basically the same as OTL?
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RvBOMally In reply to Tuskin38 [2015-06-19 00:10:35 +0000 UTC]
They've been looking, but the tech just isn't there. Lots of nuclear in Western Europe and the United States, though.
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Tuskin38 In reply to RvBOMally [2015-06-19 21:30:58 +0000 UTC]
Does Japan have nuclear weapons? They wouldn't have the same anti-nuke mentality they have OTL I wouldn't think.
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Castorem [2015-06-17 18:59:18 +0000 UTC]
Nasty. Cuba puts a tear into my eye. Lenin is surely spinning in his mausoleum, at least the Indians are still keeping the torch lit. The thing that upsets me more than no socialism, is socialism gone right (not at all saying that what Soviet Union had was my ideal interpretation of socialism, but it was socialism nonetheless). It's like a long painful death of a loved one, rather than a swift painless one.
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RvBOMally In reply to Castorem [2015-06-17 22:30:16 +0000 UTC]
I vastly prefer this Cuba to the OTL one. To each his own, I suppose.
As for the Soviet Union, the OTL one didn't exactly have a swift death, if you're considering socialist idealism.
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Castorem In reply to RvBOMally [2015-06-18 13:38:52 +0000 UTC]
And who said that it did? I was just stating my opinion, not really having OTL in mind. It was all just that maybe if the USSR ceased to exist sooner as a martyr of sorts, it would do the ideology more good than the bastardization Stalinism and the party oligarchy brought by keeping and twisting the ideology around. It would be like with Dubček's socialism with a human face in Czechoslovakia, a great idea never having the chance to actually be fully implemented, but symbolizing an another possible alternative, which by time would surely be heavily idealized.
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RvBOMally In reply to Castorem [2015-06-18 18:21:03 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I see what you're saying. Sorry about the confusion. IIRC, the USSR in Pax Sovietica is along those lines.
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jrh222 [2015-06-17 17:45:15 +0000 UTC]
How does Germany get along with France and the UK? Do they view Germany as a fully democratic and 'good' nation?
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RvBOMally In reply to jrh222 [2015-06-17 22:30:31 +0000 UTC]
Yes, they see it as an important, equal partner in Europe.
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Laputa-Scorefinger [2015-06-17 13:46:32 +0000 UTC]
What's that little white Israel-esque shape in the Israel-y area? I imagine the history of Palestine is very different in a sans-Hitler world.
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RvBOMally In reply to Laputa-Scorefinger [2015-06-17 22:31:09 +0000 UTC]
I meant to explain this, but forgot to. It's a mixed Jewish/Arab state; the seeds for Jewish resettlement in the area were planted long before Hitler came to power.
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Slaytaninc [2015-06-17 00:13:49 +0000 UTC]
Communists allied with Integralists and Monarchists.
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RvBOMally In reply to Slaytaninc [2015-06-17 00:24:07 +0000 UTC]
Realpolitik. Keep in mind that the Soviet Union's strongest ally is Nationalist China.
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KuboCaskett [2015-06-16 23:36:44 +0000 UTC]
I wonder what brought down the Fascist regime in Italy? and also, I find it weird that the Soviets would explicably ally with some far right regimes.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-06-17 00:26:11 +0000 UTC]
Democratization brought on by the monarchy after Mussolini's death.
The Soviets don't care about who they arm, they just want to mess up the West's game. Keep in mind that the OTL Soviet Union supported some anti-communist regimes, such as Nasser's Egypt.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2015-06-17 00:55:15 +0000 UTC]
You know, the fascists having the monarchy around seems to be the regime's undoing, regardless if WWII started or not. Although having a monarchy around in Japan didn't stop the militarists from gaining power.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2015-06-17 00:57:55 +0000 UTC]
The Italian monarchy was no friend of Mussolini's. Emmanuel III removed Mussolini from power in 1943.
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Jeckl [2015-06-16 23:25:30 +0000 UTC]
Interesting, surprised the EC gave back Hong Kong and Macau or was that part of the detente?
Also surprised East Timor is still indepent of Indonesia
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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2015-06-17 00:26:38 +0000 UTC]
Part of improved relations in the 1990s.
An invasion would just get them international condemnation for no good reason.
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Jeckl In reply to RvBOMally [2015-06-17 10:35:42 +0000 UTC]
Ok makes sense
still internation opinion didn't stop them in otl, and i figured a Napoleon wannabe would have plans in the works
Also how neutral are Malaysia and Singapore? I asume full of spies (esp the latter)
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RvBOMally In reply to Jeckl [2015-06-17 22:33:31 +0000 UTC]
The Napoleon wannabe valued his already-tenuous relationship with the West. Not that it helped much, since eventually Indonesia entered the Chinese bloc.
About as neutral as can be reasonably expected. And yes, there are lots of spies there.
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LoreC10 [2015-06-16 22:01:44 +0000 UTC]
great map, i have always prefered world before WWII
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Leopold002 [2015-06-16 21:23:05 +0000 UTC]
Rather interesting! Have always wondered what would have happened if the Weimar Republic had survived.
Think about it, no Third Reich!
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RvBOMally In reply to Leopold002 [2015-06-17 00:29:10 +0000 UTC]
There are quite a few takes on a surviving Weimar Republic. Poke around the Internet and you'll find them.
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LoreC10 In reply to Leopold002 [2015-06-16 22:00:57 +0000 UTC]
much much better both for Germany and for the entire world
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AHPLUSEVERYTHINHG [2015-06-16 20:55:34 +0000 UTC]
This scenario seems to have a few dark elements but it's far from the worst you've done, but Great Map!!! A few questions.
Are there any North Korean-esque states in this world?
It seems the U.S. is not closed off to the world and often trades, would they side with a bloc if necessary?
Which side is more likely to "win" the "Sitting War"?
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RvBOMally In reply to AHPLUSEVERYTHINHG [2015-06-16 20:59:19 +0000 UTC]
India is somewhat isolated, but it's nowhere near as bad as North Korea.
The US would side with the West if they had to. They'd much rather have them "winning" the Sitting War.
Since it would be nuclear, nobody.
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RvBOMally In reply to bI777 [2015-06-16 20:57:46 +0000 UTC]
Oh, I remember that old thing. Do you have a link to it?
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