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"Where's the new maps, rvb?"It's right here on my webzone.
"Ugh, TL-191 again!"
I had this idea a while back, and someone brought it up on an AH.com thread asking about the occupation of the CSA after the Second Great War. Sue me.
"Will there be a world map?"
Of course. Now, to the meat of the scenario. I'm just going to copypaste what I said in the thread. Thread here: www.alternatehistory.com/forum…
I had a rather unorthodox idea about this: going by HT's parallelism, the United States goes the way of the Soviet Union and collapses into its constituent parts (in this case, Canada, Alaska, the pre-FGW USA, CSA, Texas, the Confederate Pacific, Deseret). However, to mix things up a bit, the collapse isn't a peaceful as the OTL USSR's, particularly in the former CSA. It turns out, absorbing a country that's been independent for eight decades and has developed a national identity revolving completely around not being American is actually a really bad idea in the long run. In the former CSA, we see a Yugoslavia-type collapse, with the former CSA seeing warfare and ethnic cleansing akin to the Yugoslav Wars (with a Confederate Milosevic, naturally). Lots of ethnic strife between blacks, Southern whites, "carpetbaggers," and Hispanics.Because I'm more than happy to piggyback on HT's parallelism, I'm thinking of ripping off OTL post-Soviet and post-Yugoslav history in a not-so-subtle manner. Here are my ideas:
- A rump USA (here, called the Federal States of America), naturally led by a Putin expy. Has a few unrecognized "Yankee" statelets, like Delmarva and parts of Kentucky and Missouri, as something like Abkhazia or South Ossetia. Also has New Orleans (possibly renamed) as an obvious Kaliningrad expy, and because it's likely that the Americans would want to keep the mouth of the Mississippi at all costs and ship a lot of Americans down there. I don't see any parts of the pre-FGW United States breaking away (except for Deseret).
- A Remembrance state in West Virginia or somesuch, playing the role of Transnistria.
- An "Appalachian" state, composed primarily of Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia. Really poor.
- Texas, minus the state of Houston, which remains in the Union. Possibly lost some territories to former Confederate Mexico, but not Mexico itself.
- A rump CSA. A bit of an infamous state given Featherston (who is used often enough in lazy political argumentation that it has its own law) and the post-USA wars in the 1990s.
- Several black republics, mostly in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and the Carolinas, which were "autonomous areas" established post-war (American occupation forces wanted to keep blacks safe and away from white Southerners). Terribly poor, and have exchanged territory with the surrounding CSA. [I got rid of this after a poster pointed out that most blacks had been exterminated, and those that were left moved to Liberia or Haiti, and that those that remain would not be in the South]
- Former Confederate Mexico. Some talk of reunification with Mexico, but the cultures have diverged a bit too much for that.
- Canada, minus Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador.
- Deseret.
- Sequoyah, maybe. Depends on American policy with Indians (since they were rather pro-Confederate in TL-191, probably terribly).
- I went with the American/German v. Japanese cold war idea, with there being a German-American split later on. Germany filled the void the Americans left, much to the FSA's chagrin, and the modern FSA is now growing closer to Japan (which after a very poor late 20th century is now on the rise again).
- Quebec remains loyal to the Federal States of America, because they genuinely did better when the USA was around and kept those damn Anglo-Canadians out of their hair.
- Cuba wants nothing to do with the CSA and has a lot of pro-Union sentiment. This remained even after the fall of the USA.
- The border republics there are mostly carpetbagger states. They were mostly territories taken from former Confederate states after the FGW, and then taken back after the fall of the USA, and then broke off again because they're full of Yankees. I also took Joshua Ben Ari's idea for a negro republic in Virginia.
- I decided to make Louisiana independent, as a Baltic state-type deal with Texas.
- Alaska is independent, but pro-FSA. It was flooded with Americans after its purchase from Russia, and just barely voted to secede from the Union. Lots of pro-American sentiment, and even talk of reunion, particularly as wages have crashed after the fall of the USA. Also thinks all other countries are run by little girls.
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Comments: 30
ohlourdespadua [2017-12-02 10:41:19 +0000 UTC]
Given your parallelism of the USA with the Soviet Union, I got to wonder what would this version of Black Lagoon be like - having an American version of Balalaika and the others.
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jrh222 [2016-07-28 01:57:22 +0000 UTC]
Speaking of parallelism, have you ever considered doing an American PRC analogue? I'd think it would be interesting to see the United States great power on the cusp of becoming a superpower, looked at by the rest of the world with both awe and fear for their rapid dominance in the Americas.
I know you don't take requests, but I was just wondering if you've ever thought of it.
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RvBOMally In reply to jrh222 [2016-07-28 01:58:56 +0000 UTC]
You're in luck, because I have already done this. rvbomally.deviantart.com/art/B…
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RvBOMally In reply to metalheadjohn [2016-07-27 18:25:34 +0000 UTC]
No. It's the United States.
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metalheadjohn In reply to RvBOMally [2016-07-27 22:09:37 +0000 UTC]
So then would Austria-Hungary be Canada (a country bordering the America Analog that is Very similar Culturally and Linguistically) or the UK? and what would Russia be in this Scenario?
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metalheadjohn In reply to RvBOMally [2016-07-28 03:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Ah, so there will be more? im so used to you not doing sequels.
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RvBOMally In reply to metalheadjohn [2016-07-28 03:30:43 +0000 UTC]
This isn't a sequel, I'm merely completing the world map.
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metalheadjohn In reply to RvBOMally [2016-07-28 21:27:46 +0000 UTC]
so when do you estimate the Map will be completed?
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CastleGreifenghast [2016-07-27 11:22:54 +0000 UTC]
I take it the grey-coloured states are members of Germany's NATO-esque 'wehrbund' thing?
Is the parallelism going to be constrained to the USA, or is it going to be elsewhere in this world? Britain as the Japan-equivalent for example?
Speaking of the Rising Sun, I would actually keep the Japanese empire trucking in some form. I have seen it collapse so many times in TL-191 continuations that Tokyo remaining a major power would make a welcome change.
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RvBOMally In reply to CastleGreifenghast [2016-07-27 11:39:57 +0000 UTC]
Yes, the gray here means German allies.
The parallelism will extend to other nations, but I'm playing it fast and loose with the parallelisms. They'll show up when convenient, and disappear when inconvenient.
The Japanese Empire is still around, acting as the People's Republic of China. Actually, the German Empire is around, too. In response to the Population Reduction and the violent occupation of the South and Canada, the Germans actually took steps to liberalize their colonies and integrate them. It wasn't totally successful, but a dominion-style system has replaced the old colonial system. Funnily enough, the "Shadow War" was a conflict between republicanism (USA) and monarchy (Germany, Japan)*, with republicanism losing because it was acting too oppressive and hypocritical.
*Well, the conflict started as the White Man Asian Haters' Club vs. Japan, but the USA and Germany eventually split over irreconcilable ideological differences and the fact that the Germans had the gall to report on brutal reprisal killings in the occupied territories well after the war.
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kyuzoaoi [2016-07-23 23:05:44 +0000 UTC]
So here's my idea of which country is equivalent in OTL:
FSA=Russia
Canada=Ukraine
CSA=Serbia
Potomac Virginian Republic=Transnistria
Alaska=Kazakhstan
Louisiana=Lithuania
Sequoyah=Bosnia
Mexico=Romania
Republic of Sonora(?)=Moldova(?)
Texas=Estonia(?)
Appalachia=Belarus(?)
Deseret=Turkmenistan(?)
Cuba=Crimea?
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RvBOMally In reply to kyuzoaoi [2016-07-24 00:35:25 +0000 UTC]
While there would be some obvious parallels, there won't be entire one to one correlations for every country.
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Zomg420 [2016-07-21 06:27:41 +0000 UTC]
I'd make Deseret apart of the FSA because there's your chance for a Chechen analogue. Romney as Kadyrov, maybe?
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RvBOMally In reply to Zomg420 [2016-07-21 06:34:34 +0000 UTC]
I've thought about it, but most Mormons have been moved
to Big Island in Hawaii, and survivors of the Population Reduction moved into Deseret. Ironically, Deseret may be a black republic. Of course, the possibility exists of both Mormons and blacks being in Deseret in large numbers, and not getting along.
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RvBOMally In reply to howaboutthathumanity [2016-07-20 20:13:32 +0000 UTC]
Revanchism...IN AMERICA!
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RvBOMally In reply to Whiteshore1 [2016-07-20 21:21:31 +0000 UTC]
I might make Appalachia Belarus.
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Zomg420 [2016-07-20 09:32:43 +0000 UTC]
What would be the Ukraine analogue here? Texas? San Antonio as Crimea?
I guess the CSA is a mixture of Germany and Poland.
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RvBOMally In reply to Zomg420 [2016-07-20 15:31:28 +0000 UTC]
I think I'll turn Cuba into a reluctant Confederate state, and then that can be Crimea.
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TLhikan [2016-07-19 18:28:41 +0000 UTC]
Looks good! I'm surprised that Houston remained in the FSA, but there may be a historical parallel there I'm missing. Speaking of, is there a parallel in this scenario to the Ukraine-Crimea situation?
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RvBOMally In reply to TLhikan [2016-07-19 18:37:08 +0000 UTC]
I had Houston remaining in the FSA because it looked cool, and the probability that the USA flooded it with Yankees between the FGW and SGW and again after the SGW.
Cuba may make a good Crimea, now that I think about it. The FSA can even land in the Bay of Pigs, because two can play at that hack game, HT.
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TLhikan In reply to RvBOMally [2016-07-19 18:53:01 +0000 UTC]
I think that Houston occupies an area where most of the Texas oil is, so if that's true, it makes sense why the US would want to integrate it at all costs.
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