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Sorry, I can't reply to comments anymore so I'm disabling them. If you do want to leave a comment, just leave it on my front page. And if you've faved this stamp, thank you for the fav
It aggravates me when I see characters that are very poorly researched or created, be they fandom or original. Some are just slight peeves, like how a Japanese person has a completely non-Japanese name. Others can have massive plot holes in their background, especially when it comes to FCxCanon.
I'm not ribbing against people who just don't really know how to build characters, but while a writer is said to "write what they know", it doesn't necessarily mean they should stick to what they know either. Just because you know schizophrenia involves hallucinations doesn't necessarily mean everyone who may hallucinate is a schizophrenic.
See, the thing about plenty of people on dA is that they think they can create a character for a fantasy world and slap them down and say "hey! I'm done", regardless of how they look, speak or behave. This is probably why there's such a high proportion of highly unbelievable characters on this site.
The thing about character design, especially concept work, is to design something or someone that fits into a world. Any world, be it fandom or canon. It doesn't matter how ridiculous they are - if they behave, act and speak in a way that has good reasons behind it, or in a way that we can understand, we'll believe in them. If they act differently to what has been stated previously in the story, there had better be a damn good reason why.
Lay down the rules that you would build your characters to, make note of the exceptions if they happen and whether they're rare or not, and follow them. If you have done enough research, you would have picked up a great treasure trove of knowledge that you can base these rules on and therefore depict them in a way that even we, people who aren't part of your world, would believe in them. Because your purpose, as a storyteller regardless if it's for a side character or an entire network of worlds, is to convince us to believe in the existence of your world in our imagination.
Showing that you have done research means you know what you're looking for, you know what you're doing and you respect the nationality/ethnicity/social group you are trying to emulate. You don't HAVE to be a native to portray a character right, but you should put some effort into it instead of just slapping down a character concept that makes no sense whatsoever. We are not cardboard cutouts. The friend you meet on the street is not some 2D prop. Believable characters are the same.
"But characters are characters! They're disposable! They're fictional! I don't intend to do anything more with these guys!"
If you want to treat it that way, fine by me. To me, my characters are fictional too. I know they don't exist. I can choose to lock them away forever and erase their existence from my mind. I can choose to destroy them however I want and forget all about them.
But you want people to believe in them, to root for them. While we all know that it's imaginary, you want people to willingly suspend disbelief, even if it's just an hour reading one of the stories you write, and let the character exist in their minds as well. It's very hard to feel for a character that you don't even believe in.
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Over the course of having this stamp on dA, some people have said "realistic is boring, what if we just want to have some fun?" or "but that's not thinking outside the box".
I don't mean to say "no, don't have fun at all". Have fun while you're doing this. Think outside the box whenever you want, however you want, whatever you want. However, please observe that the stamp does not use the word "realistic". It uses the word "believable". BELIEVABLE. Also, what is with this anti-reality attitude going on on this site? Do you honestly not appreciate how fantasy-like our own Earth can be sometimes? You're not looking hard enough if you think our world is boring.
It's just that when you present yourself as a "serious" worldbuilder/character designer and then create all sorts of things even you can't explain or can only use some ridiculous explanation to handwave things, you're not going to get taken seriously whether you like it or not. It's probably just going to called "wasted potential".
Not everyone asks for realism references in their stories and not everyone wants to have the most grounded rollercoaster ride ever. The audience just wants it to make sense to them so that it doesn't bother their brains while they're reading your work. It's not how realistic the character is, it's how much they convince the audience that they exist and truly belong in the universe they're set in. And all the research you do/did will help us feel connected to your character, because we all need something that is familiar in order to believe.
There, done, omfg.
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Comments: 66
JessamineDiane [2012-10-15 01:08:27 +0000 UTC]
For example when people give their characters a mental illness and they do not research the illness and find out what it actually is.
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Konapeilover In reply to JessamineDiane [2012-12-06 01:08:01 +0000 UTC]
EXACTLY! It only takes a couple of minutes to find a good article and only a little more to skim though it, find the symptoms and go from there.
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JessamineDiane In reply to Konapeilover [2012-12-06 01:36:06 +0000 UTC]
Yes, there's a good article on OCD on a site aimed at teenagers that's simple and easy to understand.
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CoreyAMurray [2012-08-06 14:04:06 +0000 UTC]
That being said, have you read any hard sci-fi?
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Akyura44 In reply to CoreyAMurray [2013-03-19 17:02:43 +0000 UTC]
I'm guessing you like Stephenie Meyer...
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CoreyAMurray In reply to Akyura44 [2013-03-19 17:18:59 +0000 UTC]
No, I don't. I haven't read any of her books.
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Akyura44 In reply to CoreyAMurray [2013-03-19 17:37:20 +0000 UTC]
Then I'm pretty sure you'd like them. Preeetty suuure...
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theladyems [2012-03-19 22:56:35 +0000 UTC]
AMEN.
I just started admin'ing a forum RP with some guildmates from SWTOR... the amount of research I put into my characters is pretty intense, since the Star Wars universe has a lot of depth and places for creativity... and I get a little sad when the shallow ones come out to play.
Either way. <3 thank you for uploading this.
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StarlitSkvader [2012-01-01 03:14:09 +0000 UTC]
As someone who once spent a day working out the lineage and balance of dominant and recessive traits back to the great-great-grandparents to be sure the features of a set of twins were plausible... I applaud this.
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YukoISBadMedicine [2011-12-07 02:51:58 +0000 UTC]
I agree with research as that is a big part of creating characters and making them believable and good characters as well the story. But I also support creativity and thinking outside of the box at times. Should be fitting towards the story and properly developed and constantly worked on, but doesn't mean they have to be boring or typical either. Give them a name that would work for them and the series but think about how you want them to look, act, etc.....Would it make sense? Would it fit in? Would they been seen as unique or too out of place?
Research is just as important as creativity. If not careful, you can offend people unintelligibly if you try to create a type of character or story without understanding and researching first.
Manga isn't always realistic, creators of series and OCs often have fun with eye and hair color, styles, etc as different things work for different series (for one series, they can have purple hair or red eyes and it would be normal for them but it doesn't work for all. You can still have freedom)....but depending on what you are writing, you need to have a good understanding on that subject, culture, etc.....I guess some people don't are if there characters are Mary-Sues though. Though I personally want to make a good character that doesn't offend people or think of them as poorly done.
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icytemporalist [2011-11-11 08:53:02 +0000 UTC]
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SirusWolfStudios [2011-08-08 18:53:11 +0000 UTC]
amen to that. The amount of astronomy research-of all things- required of me to write my novel was crazy. Then I needed to understand feudal era battle plans and the complete spectrum of colors in visible light.
All that research killed me almost.
But I feel better about my story, that's for sure.
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peacemakerwarfreak [2011-07-13 15:55:24 +0000 UTC]
Can you explain more about the Russian name? I have Russian OC's and I would love to improve them especially on the name. Thanks! I love it by the way, very true. Frustrating to others who share it to you but doesn't even want your opinion about it. >3<
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Sage-Wren In reply to peacemakerwarfreak [2011-07-13 16:39:06 +0000 UTC]
Russians don't have a middle name, it's instead known as the "patronymic" name. It's based off the father's name, and the spelling of it depends if the person is male or female.
Let's say there is a man called Ivan Gorbachyov (first name, surname). He has two children, one a girl and one a boy. The girl is Anastasiya and the boy is Mikhail. Their full names would be Anastasiya Ivanovna (or Ivanova) Gorbachyov and Mikhail Ivanovich Gorbachyov. -ovna is for females, -vich is for males. Female first names, in addition, usually end with an a, like Ilya, Sofiya, Anna etc.
Besides that, every name has a diminutive form. In this case, Ivan could also be Vanya, Nastya for Anastasiya, and Misha for Mikhail. However, I don't usually recommend going by diminutives as nicknames, in Russia it's more complicated than that and I think you'd be better off experiencing it in Russia than listening to a non-Russian talking about it lol.
Different combinations of the first name/patronymic/surname also denote levels of respect. For example, calling someone by their patronymic name only indicates that you are familiar with the person, but you respect them, mostly due to being well-known and aged.
You can look up a lot of this info, the facts are fascinating even if you don't understand Russian (you don't have to, not even to read Cyrillic unless you want to type the names in Cyrillic. I do, but that's because I've studied Russian and I like going weird extra miles).
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Kaonashi-Nanashi In reply to Sage-Wren [2012-09-12 23:49:05 +0000 UTC]
Hey thanks for that little bit of Russian. I think I may use it for an idea in my fantasy series. Just need to find out where to apply it.
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peacemakerwarfreak In reply to Sage-Wren [2011-07-13 16:44:40 +0000 UTC]
Hm...interesting. Thanks, I have to save it since it's in your comments. Thanks again!
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emberwing77 [2011-07-09 07:24:16 +0000 UTC]
Pfft. yes. I spent a good day or so researching all my charachters personality types. Fun stuff.
And then I did extensive research on pyromania for another character and went into low blood pressure, anemia, and resulting illnesses for another
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Snowhitewolf [2011-04-05 12:57:42 +0000 UTC]
I honestly think I do too much research for mine. .w.
And although I'm completely against using Mental Disorders without proper research (And I've tried that, it's really, really difficult to portray it correctly) and often my characters end up with them by accident.
Like the fact my main character is mildly bipolar <- this was completely by accident, I just wrote him like that. And I've done research on stuff like this.
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AliceSacco [2011-01-13 23:01:00 +0000 UTC]
I agre totally.
I do research even for characters that are named in my native language, for foreign character i search for days for find a believable name. And i use even facebook for see if in real life that name does exist.
And i have received criticism for this 'you're too attached to reality' 'it's fictional, he doesn't need a believable name' etc...
If i say a character comes from Norway, i can't call him or her 'Skinnende Nordlys' without a good reason. And honestly i don't like names that are given just because they sound pretty, without knowing nomenclature
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superpowerfreak95 [2011-01-01 09:38:40 +0000 UTC]
honestly, i read 1/2 of this now 'cause it's late where I'm at. however, i do get your point. when i make my OC's, i try to make it as realistic as possible. i'm still working on that though. and heck, if someone wants to point out what they have to say about someone's OC, i think the creator should listen.
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Starburst27 [2010-12-25 03:31:22 +0000 UTC]
THIS.
When I first saw this stamp I thought "well that kinda sounds like a douchey thing to say."
But when I read your description it made a lot of sense.
My problem with character creation is that, while I do the research, it's always difficult for me to actually put the traits together and come out with something that sounds both believable and interesting.
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Sage-Wren In reply to Starburst27 [2010-12-25 16:49:05 +0000 UTC]
Generally I try to use a sort of cause-and-effect method with character traits and personalities - such as something in their past would have influenced a way of how they behave now, or even what mental disorder/issue they might have. But I try to research the possibilities of these situations causing changes in behaviour later on. Trauma is usually one of the many things that does this to humans in general.
Or if I can't think of a reason why a character would be that way, I just try to link the most possible, accurate thing that would happen (again with research, to be realistic), and then I'll let the character tell me why later on. Sometimes when you're initially creating, the character doesn't sound interesting - but over time, as they develop and you learn more about them, perhaps they'll show something else that you didn't know about before.
That's just what I do, maybe that would help? I simply treat my characters as if they were alive, they've never failed me.
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FurnitureKanon [2010-09-06 01:35:43 +0000 UTC]
I agree with this stamp 100%. Research while not one of my most favorite things to do, is always at the top of my list. If I can't read through my own story without getting distracted I delete it because it means I didn't make my situations or characters real in anyway.
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Sage-Wren In reply to FurnitureKanon [2010-09-06 01:36:47 +0000 UTC]
That's a good habit to have Thank you for the comment.
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Nifty-D [2010-08-26 08:55:37 +0000 UTC]
Oh-ho-ho, a MUCH needed stamp! Nothing against creativity and imagination, but if you`re going for realism, at least ground your creation within the proper parameters!
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Sage-Wren In reply to Nifty-D [2010-08-26 11:39:07 +0000 UTC]
You hit the head of the nail right on!
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Imaginary-Shadow [2010-07-17 15:45:24 +0000 UTC]
YES!!
This is so barking true, and great description/support!
Plus, just doing the research is generally quite fun~
Oh, the many hours I have passed reading information on a particular subject...
Usually when I should be doing something else... X3'
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Sage-Wren In reply to Imaginary-Shadow [2010-07-18 01:57:39 +0000 UTC]
Quite a few of the people whom I watch think research is a bore c: I'm glad you find it fun too.
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Pokemaniette013 [2010-06-23 05:18:27 +0000 UTC]
*claps* This is so very true. It always pays to make sure you check out as much as you can to make sure your character is as human (or what have you) as possible. My first character failed slightly in this regard, but he's getting better. ^^
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Sage-Wren In reply to Pokemaniette013 [2010-06-23 10:32:37 +0000 UTC]
As a writer it's pretty important to make sure character details are right, otherwise it would be odd. Not everyone who watches me care about this (which is why I have the rant in the first place), though, since they're not interested in writing. At least you recognise what part of your character needed reworking on
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Dragon54082 [2010-06-21 21:43:25 +0000 UTC]
See I only collect stamps like this if there's a well-written description.
Honestly I never paid too much attention but even I can tell when something's just not right when it comes to characters.
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Sage-Wren In reply to Dragon54082 [2010-06-21 21:46:43 +0000 UTC]
I think I've just been keeping it in for a long time...this is like a rant, except a bit more civil than usual.
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not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 17:12:31 +0000 UTC]
OMG THIS.
So many improperly rendered characters (especially with mental disorders) in fanfics and even novels.
I've read so many books about kids with "aspergers" who ACTUALLY seem to have a more severe form of autism.
Also, back on characters, it seems that the friends I make up (my characters) will never leave me, like real friends always did in the past. :u
That's why I try to make them real as possible.
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Sage-Wren In reply to not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 17:35:49 +0000 UTC]
Mental disorders have always been misunderstood and completely portrayed wrongly, yeah I agree. :U Multiple personality disorder and Aspergers are probably the two most overused or something.
That is a good way. It doesn't matter how people do it, as long as they are portrayed realistically and not just some creation on a whim without any proper thought into the process, they have a high chance that everyone will be willing to, even for a while, believe that in some alternate universe or even somewhere in this world, they really do exist.
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not-active-anymore In reply to Sage-Wren [2010-06-21 17:39:27 +0000 UTC]
Aspergers kids can talk, think, have normal IQs, and don't need therapies like GF/CF diets and chelation. Okay?
In fact, we're mildy socially awkward.
I've seen many "normal" characters with aspergers-like symptoms. But the author made no mention.
However, when the author does make mention, the kid's more like someone with High Functioning Autism (which is, in fact, different from aspergers)
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Sage-Wren In reply to not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 18:05:35 +0000 UTC]
I've worked with children with special needs before, so I understand the differences between Aspergers and autism, and various other handicaps as well. I think some time ago I looked up on the differences, although I've never really seen the need to incorporate them into my characters, so I may have forgotten the details, oops. If only OTHER people would pay attention to what they're doing, though...
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not-active-anymore In reply to Sage-Wren [2010-06-21 18:11:30 +0000 UTC]
I know a lot of people with special needs personally (gotta love therapy)
Their parents are obnoxious. ;D
I'm glad you know the difference. More people do, though. :c
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Sage-Wren In reply to not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 18:14:24 +0000 UTC]
Oh yes, I agree with the parents thing. Thinking about it brings back memories. D:
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not-active-anymore In reply to Sage-Wren [2010-06-21 18:17:36 +0000 UTC]
Any memories for you?
I know this one girl who's 20, autistic, and isn't allowed to watch anything above a PG movie.
She's autistic, not a little kid. Big difference OTL.
Then there's this one woman who has her ALMOST NORMAL kid on a GF/CF diet. All the while, he's all "I sneak pizza at peoples houses" and I'm all "go for it man. Go for it"
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Sage-Wren In reply to not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 18:31:03 +0000 UTC]
Hrnhhhh I've had parents who don't actually care for their kids and treat the centre where I was working like a daycare or something. My home country's not very advanced in this, and the mentality towards children with special needs is horrible. The helpers and I could only sigh and at least try to help the kids as much as we could.
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not-active-anymore In reply to Sage-Wren [2010-06-21 18:33:23 +0000 UTC]
In my country, we're kinda...too sheltered (as a whole. me? I'm a lucky little bastard, I am)
Like, just because someone has a disability, it doesn't make them incapable of facing the real world and all of its horrors. :u
People wage wars and fuck to replicate. And people shouldn't JUST BE LEARNING THAT at....age 18.
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Sage-Wren In reply to not-active-anymore [2010-06-21 18:41:49 +0000 UTC]
It's not really the same back home...it's like people don't really care about the whole "mental disorder" thing. Many of the children who came to the centre were also physically disabled in some way - motor problems, speech defects - and the parents didn't really seem to pay attention to the helpers. They'd listen, nod, then go home and do nothing. And basically what happens is an unending cycle of trying to help the child, but not always since the parents only come once a week or so. It's like "drop your kids off and let them take of the children" attitude, it's really sad.
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