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Kopa:"They actually think we're related..."Vitani: *raspberry* "Yeah, right..."
Just a joke picture that I felt like drawing. Usually, I don't do 'spite' type pictures, but it does get a bit irritating at times when I see people posting Kopa x Vitani pictures only to have others complaining about the two being related. There is no solid proof that Scar is Vitani's father. IMO, if the movie says that Scar is not Kovu's father (and I think that Kovu and Vitani are from the same litter), Scar is not Vitani's father either. This is just my theory. I've always thought of Kopa as a non-legitimate character, but the product of a few books that were released in order to make more money off of the already existing movie. Kopa is simply a 'what if' character that was never used in the sequel because he would not have fit properly.
*In short... here's what I think.
TLK is made-->Simba and Nala have a son, but no background is given, as the producers have no plans on making a sequel-->Disney wants more money from TLK, so the Series 6 books are made with more info/story on Simba and Nala's son (Kopa)-->Disney decides to make a sequel, but the storyline would be better with a daughter vs. a son as Simba and Nala's cub (In Disney's opinion), thus changing Kopa to Kiara
Some people make the theory that Kopa is killed by Zira, which is why Simba is so protective over Kiara and why Zira and Simba don't get along. Nothing wrong with that theory. There are even those who take the real characters and fuse in their own, fan-made ones. I don't mind that either. I just always thought that Kopa was an idea that was changed (him changing to Kiara), as he would not have fit the storyline in the second movie as well. Everyone has their own theory, but no one can pass theirs off as fact.
If people want to hook these two up, let them. It's their business.
As many crossover couples that I've seen, I don't see how this one would be much different. I just don't think it's right to say "my theory is right and yours is wrong', when no one has 100% proof to back up their claim.*I'm not passing off my theory as fact or anything; it's just what I've always thought. Mine isn't 100% any more than anyone else's.
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Well, they kinda are, since Kovu and Kiara are mates.
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I hear they were going to make a son for the second film. If that had been the case, Kopa would have been completely voided out by this son character, but they cut the character because they felt it was an unneccesary complication. The echoes of it remain however: the different ceremony at the star, the much older look of Simba and Nala etc etc. The Kopa killed by Zira theory arose not just by the points you mention, but probably because of the 'penalty' Simba threatened Zira with, which was quite clearly death. We know from the first film Simba's not like that. He wouldn't threaten death for no good reason. Another way of looking at it is that Sarabi appears to be absent too, so maybe Zira did her in.
In any case, arguing over it is pointless, because at the end of the day, they all share one thing in common: they are all fictional characters. People can do what they like with them.
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Finally! Someone who agrees with me on that theory.
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It's not so much the fact that these two could be related that bothers me, mainly because I don't think Scar is Vitani's father. It's the age difference! (and no, not in the way you think)
Vitani and Kovu are littermates (more than likely in my opinion anyways), but Kopa is supposed to be older than Kiara. So why in the world are Vitani and Kopa depicted as the same age?!? 
That's just one more reason why I don't care much for the whole Kopa nonsense. But whatever floats your boat.
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Thats why I dont agree with this pairing! Cause Vitani is NOT older than Kovu, their littermates so their the same age! Which would make them maybe a few seasons youger than Kopa(who I am assuming would have been around the same age as Nuka). Although I do think Kovu and Vitani are probably a little bit older than Kiara, but not by much.
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But how do we know that Kopa is older than Vitani and if so, by how much? Is this based on the story that people have come up with where Simba and Nala have Kiara after Kopa is supposedly killed by Zira (for whatever reason)?
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I guess so. I never quite got the age sequences for Kopa in relation to the other 3 in that crazy fan theory.
The presumptions go like this:
1. Kopa is older than Kiara.
2. Vitani and Kovu are twins.
3. Kovu is the same age as Kiara (or thereabouts).
4. This means that Kopa is also older than Vitani.
Or like this:
1. Kopa is older than Kiara.
2. Vitani and Kovu are twins and are close in age to Kopa.
3. Kovu and Vitani are older than Kiara.
Blah, I would just give up and make Kopa about the same age as Nuka! Then Nuka could have like a gay crush on him or something. 
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Actually, it works if you
1. Make Kopa and Kiara littermates, with Kopa being the elder.
2. Vitani and Kovu are littermates.
3. Kovu and Vitani were born on the same night that Scar was killed.
4. Kopa and Kiara were conceived during the original Lion King.
It would make Vitani about two months older than Kopa, and explain the Kopa/Kiara situation. Kopa was the cub presented at the end of TLK, and was killed by hyenas, which the Pride drove out in retaliation. Zira refused to aid them due to loyalty to Scar, and a enraged Simba cast her out of his Pride. She returned to her original Pride/found other lionesses and became part of the Outland Pride. Kiara's presentation in TLK2 is just a time-rewind to her part of the ceremony with Kopa, with him left out. We start shortly after his death, explaining Simba's worry about his daughter.
Of course, I always thought Vitani was much older than Kovu, the similar size due to him being a male cub, and her being female. I theory was always that she was Nala's daughter by Scar, or Sarafina's daughter by Scar.
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I see.
I guess I never thought of Kopa as an older brother; I always just thought of him as a character that Disney came up with just to follow in the footsteps of the 1st movie as a way of making more money (by people purchasing books). When the sequel came out, I just looked at Kiara as a replacement for Kopa, rather than a follow-up of her being born after him (making her a second cub).
Then, too, there are times when I'm not even sure if Disney knows what they want in their characters sometimes. *lol*
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Yeah, I know it's confusing. That's why I don't like Kopa that much. He's just a carbon-copy of his father anyways, so I'm glad Disney dropped him in favour of Kiara. 
I just don't understand the people who do like him and try to place him in the movies' universe. Their ideas about him confuse me.
Sometimes if I'm feeling generous, I'll make Kopa Kiara's younger brother who was born after the Pride was reunited. Because Kopa has potential, I guess. :/ (Granted I tend to colour him to look a bit more like his mum though)
"Then, too, there are times when I'm not even sure if Disney knows what they want in their characters sometimes. *lol*"
Yeah that's true.
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I agree with you, I think people get way to stressed out about who's related to whom and paired with who else, and it all just gets very confusing. I personally think that yeah they weren't going to make a sequel and released the books to make money ( I remember an old Lion King book where the cubs name was Kimba ( or maybe it was Simba's grandfather I don't remember ) and then years later decide to make a sequel and probably didn't even take the books into consideration. Now for a fan fic I like the idea that maybe Zira Killed Kopa, it would be interesting ( and have Scar kill Mheetu since he would kill all the cubs anyways if it were realistic ) But just in general why does it even matter? Theories are theories because they aren't fact. So like you said no ones theories are 100% so why bother arguing?
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Exactly! Thanks for the comment!
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They don't even look like they are related xD Kopa looks too much like Simba to like like Vitani. I agree with your theory
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Well look how different Scar and Mufasa looked, so its not entirely impossiable.
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They might look different but it's possible for bothers to look different! Scar looks like his mum and Muffy looks like his dad..
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Very true. Do they ever show Their mom in the books? or is it just kind of implied that Taka takes more after her?
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I don't know, I never read the books but if you search for Uru there's alot of fan pictures of her..
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Sweet, I'll have to check out the rest of the books and see.
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Heehee I agree with you, Kopa and Vitani!
I also agree with YOU. That Kopa was changed to Kiara....but I love Kopa so I choose to think Zira killed him.
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head - reality wise.
I don't think the Lion King books are really considered all that canon anyways. Maybe some of them, but other's are kind of not.
Like you said, they didn't plan on making a sequel but when they did they based it off of Romeo x Juliet just like the first one is based off Hamlet (there is a little Hamlet that was going to be mixed in with the first one, what with Kovu going to be Scar's son making Simba his uncle...etc).
I personally wouldn't have minded if they kept Kovu as Scar's son and still had him with Kiara, since it's perfectly acceptable to marry first cousins in many, MANY other cultures. I don't see anything biologically wrong with it either, but here in America we are tight-assed.
The fact that Kovu is no longer Scar's son actually leaves a lot of plot holes...
I think Nuka is Scar's legitimate son but that Vitani and Kovu are from another father.
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i think they'd be a cute couple. i think your theory sounds better than mine so thats cool
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The picture is really cute. And I don't think it would matter if they were loses related, since real lions do stuff like that. So I agree with you.
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Well, if you think about it, by all likely hood, Nala and Simba are related, if not sister and brother.
Male lions kill the cubs of rival lions so that the females come into heat again and thus they can father more of their own cubs.
Soo, by that, Nala would be Simba's sister.
xD
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I've thought about this; it's been said that Simba and Nala may either by cousins or siblings. I've accepted this, but there are some so against the idea of incest that they refuse to accept this possibility.
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Well it would explain why Kiara came out to be such an air head. XD
I dont see why people get so worked up over this stuff. KopaXVitani for the world if people want it! XD
And if they have something to say about it, they need to take it to Disney because like you two said, Simba and Nala are basically related too.
So NYEH! Take that all you KopaXVitani haters! (not you guys, lmho.)
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Their lions so even if they are related I don't think it matters
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That's how I thought of it as well, but some don't want to listen to that reasoning either. Some people are just impossible...
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