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Published: 2012-11-28 17:06:57 +0000 UTC; Views: 89588; Favourites: 577; Downloads: 1354
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A tribute to one of the most awesome and famous group of mammals and by far my top favorite mammalian group, the mighty proboscideans !!(Moeritherium, Deinotherium giganteum, Platybelodon grangeri, Primelephas gomphotheroides, Numidotherium, Gomphotherium steinheimense, Amebelodon fricki, Chilgatherium, Palaeomastodon , Deinotherium bozasi, Notiomastodon platensis, Stegodon trigonocephalus, Zygolophodon borsoni, Phiomia, American mastodon, Barytherium grave, Stegotetrabelodon syrticus, Cuvieronius hyodon, Deinotherium proavum, Tilos dwarf elephant, Palaeoloxodon namadicus, Prodeinotherium bavaricum, Stegodon ganesha, Loxodonta atlantica, Palaeoloxodon falconeri, Palaeoloxodon antiquus, Cretan dwarf mammoth, Palaeoloxodon recki, Rhynchotherium falconeri, Mammuthus africanavus, South African mammoth, Sardinian dwarf mammoth, Southern mammoth, Pygmy mammoth, Steppe mammoth, Woolly mammoth, Columbian mammoth, Stegodon zdanskyi)- (extinct), African bush elephant, Asian elephant and African forest elephant.
There were perhaps over 100 species of proboscideans. In this image, there are only 41 species.
Nearly half of the proboscideans are based on the skeletal reconstruction by Asier Larramendi.
Larramendi, A. 201X. Shoulder height, body mass and shape of proboscideans. Acta. Palaeontologica Polonica XX (X): xxx–xxx. dx.doi.org/10.4202/app.00136.2…
(The order proboscidea has one of the most comprehensive fossil records of any species. The evolutionary history of proboscideans has always been of great interest to vertebrate palaeontologists.
There were tiny mammals lived alongside dinosaurs for many million years. Mammals diversified after the extinction of dinosaurs and among those mammals was a tiny proboscidean. It evolved into several different species. This group was very successful that they were so diverse. Over time, they not only became bigger but became the most dominant of all the mammals. They inhabited every continent except Australia and Antarctica. Some proboscideans are heavier than the largest carnivorous dinosaurs.
Elephantidae is a family of large, herbivorous mammals collectively called elephants and mammoths. These are terrestrial large mammals with a snout modified into a trunk and teeth modified into tusks. Most genera and species in the family are extinct. Only two genera, Loxodonta (African elephants) and Elephas (Asiatic elephants) are the only surviving members of the order proboscidea. The largest land mammal alive today, the African elephant which weighs about 6 tonnes, the record holder individual weighed about 10.4 tonnes. The order proboscidea also has the largest ever land mammal, Palaeoloxodon namadicus which weighed upto 22 tonnes.)
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I agreed with you, we have to protect them of all cost.
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Thank you.I am sure you like to ride the pygmy mammoth.
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They showed a dwarf elephant in the movie Journey 2: The Mysterious Island, but it was very small..
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You're welcome.
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Great diagram, it really shows how large these creatures were!
Where is the Songhua River Mammoth( Mammuthus sungari) , the Imperial Mammoth( Mammuthus imperator), or the LoneStar Mastodon( Mammut ? )?
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Songhua River Mammoth doesn't exist.It turns out to be the largest individual of Steppe Mammoth.The Imperial Mammoth is more similar to the Columbian Mammoth.When it comes to Prehistoric animals,sometimes you don't know whether you are seeing two different species or the same species in two different way
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Yeah, I just researched your account on the species and scientists do believed that M.sungari is the same as M.trogontherii. So does that mean the Steppe Mammoth the largest proboscidean?
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The Steppe Mammoth or the Deinotherium is the largest proboscidean for now.So,it is not the largest ever.May be someday a large species of proboscidean might be discovered which can be somewhat bigger than the Paraceratherium or at least rival it.Being a huge elephant lover,i am expecting that.
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Me to. It makes sense now, so what about Mastodon. Is the lone star mastodon the largest and will it get a proper name?
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I read that name once longtime before.I have that cartoon image where the lone star mastodon is estimated at 12-13 ft tall and weighing 8-11 tonnes.As there is not many source for this animal,i didn't showed any interest in it.As you talked about it,now i searched.See this link
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There is a big story for this animal in that site.The different thing is,Lone star also has a pair of lower tusks which is rare in Mastodons.So this may be a different species and if it was really that big on average.I will accept it as my favorite because i have seen some skeleton pictures of mastodons.They are more robust with thick tusks.The only thing which bothered me was its size.So this new mastodon being twice heavier than that is good.That is, if it is correct.They should give it some proper name.
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Yeah they should, maybe name it after the scientist whom which discovered it or the origin/place of its discovery!
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That time when i gave you the link,i didn't read that story as it was big.Did you read it ? Man,that is sad.Seems like the valuable large skull of this new mastodon went to some private hands.So we are not going to know anything about this Mastodon further
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Ikr, its not fair that valuable fossils go to some rich, scientifically illiterate, private collector. The world is so unfair!
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That's right..So the lone star Mastodon will look like the same American mastodon but being taller,bigger,more robust and having lower tusks as Deinotherium.That is really some heavy shit.
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There is a guy who says this Mastodon is big but there is nothing special about it.He also said there are some Mastodons which use to have lower tusks.I didn't know that before.There was no lower tusks in all the skeleton pictures of Mastodon i have seen.Anyway.The guy who said this are in a team formed by researchers, creatives and specialists principally focused on prehistoric fauna.Take a look at his gallery [link]
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I have never seen or new that Mastodons had lower jaw tusks like Deinotheres. I looked at this guys gallery and I am impressed. I have seen some of his artwork before, but I never new it was him. This is really interesting about the Mastodons. So are you saying that LoneStar Mastodon had both upper and lower tusks?
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Yes,it had both upper and lower tusks.You saw that skull picture in that site and if you have any doubts on Prehistoric animals anatomy,you can ask that guy since i am not any paleontologist 
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I can't wait to do a art piece on the Lonestar Mastodon, I think this changes the way we think Mastodons, Mammoths, and modern day Proboscideans evolved!
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I see..Show me when you are done with it.
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Great result! I like this compositions with the members of a group, and proboscideans are particulary interesting. Also it's easy to check how weird and large was Deinotherium
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Sure they are interesting.Ya,you can see how the Deinotherium towering over the African Elephant.When i was a small kid,i use to collect animal stickers and one day i saw a sticker of an Elephant which looked weird.I was like,which silly guy made the Elephant look like this and after days passed i knew that Elephant really existed before.It was the Gomphotherium.
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Indeed, my first vision of the dinosaurs has lean to me how diverse and interesting was the life of different times.
I miss in your image some South American gomphothere, but I know that is impossible put every extinct species here
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Haha..I don't have interest to add more similar looking elephants.The palaeomaston,barytherium is missing.You can say number of elephant names which are missing in that image.As you said,that's right..it's impossible to put every extinct species as there are many similar looking prehistoric elephants and i am not sure if really there are many different species of them or only some species with different tusk shape ? For example,the Southern Mammoth.It is bigger and looks similar to some other mammoths and having a different tusk shape.That is why i didn't made it.The Palaeoloxodon which is almost similar looking Asian elephant but bigger and having almost straight tusks.There are some others too being similar to Asian Elephant.Then the Imperial and Columbian mammoth looks same.So you know,it is confusing..
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And the taxonomy of many proboscideans is very difficult, as you say. For example, I remember now the discussions about the validity of Notiomastodon, if Paleoloxodon was a distinct genus, if Imperial mammoth were a form of the Columbian mammoth, etc...
Anyway, keep up the good word!
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You mean good work ? These kinds of confusions are not only for Proboscideans,also for Dinosaurs and some other Prehistoric animals.
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Yeah, I meant good work, sorry...
The problem is that is very easy find good information about the classifications of the dinosaurs, for another groups is more difficult...
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Before you said it's impossible to put all the species in that image.But there are few people who can do that.These people have plenty of manipulations of prehistoric animals.It will take many days to create like that.They sell their big size image,so that is their job or par time job.They do earn through it.That is not the same in my case.Anyone having this talent who have more time daily can make dozens of prehistoric animals pictures.
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Indeed, is was think in the limitations of time to work in things like this and how to show in a good format. Is not technically impossible, but hard to make
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The day when i came to know that there were many different elephants i was happy and sure i would like to have a picture of some of them standing together.I didn't find an image like that.I did find few,but they are like cartoons or shadows.But anyway i had to make this as i love Elephants.I never thought before that i would do this.I am happy that i made it.I like this image very much.Mission accomplished.
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No problem..You are right
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Wow, you did it indeed, this looks great! 
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Thank you.Deinotherium was known as the third largest land mammal after Songhua River Mammoth.But Songhua River Mammoth doesn't exist.So either the Deinotherium or the Steppe Mammoth is the second largest proboscidean or second largest land mammal for now.I want to see a 20 foot tall Elephant and weighs over 20 tonnes,that is somewhat bigger than a Paraceratherium.I wish someday an elephant like that be discovered..
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Well, you could have added the dwarf Sicilian elephant Elephas falconeri. It was much small enough.
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I don't have interest to add more similar looking elephant in that image.In that case there are more than 50 prehistoric elephants to put there.You may wonder then why the Stegotetrabelodon is looking the same as the Gomphotherium.Yes,very little difference is there.It's tusk is almost straight and the tusk in it's jaw is also longer.It looks bigger and somewhat impressive to me.It looked like kind of a war elephant.Just for example,i am saying this...If i have to make all those prehistoric elephants,i should be probably in Hospital. LOL
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Well, you're probably right.
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Elephas falconeri is now added.
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wow. that deinotherium is a real monster!
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This is an impressive effort.
I once developed a set of 1/20 scale Probosciedean figures of these species. I had only completed the Deinotherium before the project imploded.
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Thank you very much.I see..and why the project imploded ?
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