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Description I sort of lost interest in this right after finishing the roark.  I might come back and finish it some time later.
Meant to be a general marking study of a Pin Tail, a variation of Jungle Canopy orekroark, based off of a quick color doodle I had done earlier this month while trying to decide colors of the different species variations.  He seems offended by something.

free hand ballpoint
orekroarks and all that is Hup (c) Morgan Banks
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Growlingdear [2022-07-25 21:15:06 +0000 UTC]

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Vannjaren [2016-09-21 16:54:31 +0000 UTC]

More late comments, yay! :'D

Anyway, I absolutely adore this one - the posture is fantastic and is totally believable for a display position for a creature with this body type and plumage composition. <3 I have always adored how you draw wings, and this is no exception; the wings look fluid and nicely posed, and are very correct and physiologically believable yet still retain motion and avoid looking rigid as a result - something I really struggle with. It seems I can either get wings anatomically correct, or posed - but not the two at the same time, apparently. :'D But this is something I adore about your art and something you really seem to have a natural flair for.

I love the angle of this one too where he is perched facing slightly downwards on the branch, it gives a nice composition, especially with his raised head, and emphasises his posture. I also love how he seems to be gripping the branch (and you know I love Roark feet ), and I really like his facial features, he seems to have a slight bit of a Roman profile going on. Handsome fellow... I wonder what has offended him, or who? (either that, or perhaps this display is actually a sexy-dance to attract dem ladies...)

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to Vannjaren [2016-09-22 04:54:13 +0000 UTC]

hurray late comments!

Thanks, I almost stopped at the undersketch with this one and I'm glad I didn't.  Wings have to be my favorite thing to draw all out (and I certainly won't be short on that line of work).  I still have my fair share of struggle with them... usually with perspective, hah.

One day I will have to actually draw a courting dance... 

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Vannjaren In reply to Scarlet-Harlequin-N [2016-09-22 16:03:26 +0000 UTC]

Yessssss!
And I'm very glad you stuck with it too, as the end result truly is lovely. And I certainly get the impression that you enjoy drawing them - and because they're so great, I enjoy seeing you draw them! And well, if you ever struggle with them, it doesn't show.

YES PLEASE. I NEED TO SEE FLIRTY ROARKS. <3

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to Vannjaren [2016-09-24 05:28:30 +0000 UTC]

Haha, thanks.

One day, yesss when I figure out their dressage and such, hah.  Maybe I'll have to ask Rajah what he does when he dances for his mate.

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Vannjaren In reply to Scarlet-Harlequin-N [2016-09-24 10:40:05 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome indeed! ^^

I would love to see that,and ha, yes, perhaps Rajah could reveal a few of his secret moved then...
Kroven courtship... perhaps isn't as refined. In terms of pair bonding, they may display subtly towards each other over a long period of time, but in terms of the production of mini-noodles, it's somewhat less friendly.
The female is actually the one to initiate this process by laying down and rolling, whilst producing a more rapid and high-pitched purr. The male then approaches, whence the female proceeds to kick the living daylights out of him.
If he puts up with this and doesn't give up, he'll get his reward, but if he is put off, NOPE, no sexy times for him. :'D
In mated pairs this behaviour is just a token gesture, and may not even always occur, but in terms of one-night stands, it can be pretty violent.
The behaviour comes from earlier in their origins, where this was a means of testing the physical strength and also the resolve of a potential partner. Any males who either couldn't physically take it, or lacked the resolve to put up with this, weren't considered to be suitable mates for future bloodlines.

So yes... not so much an elegant courtship dance as a round of kickboxing. Those ladies don't make it easy... :'D

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to Vannjaren [2016-09-25 04:32:37 +0000 UTC]

Kroven courtship sounds painful and frustrating.  I hope the noodle tango is worth it by the time the black eyes go down, hah.  Although, now I sort of wonder how they mate in the first place (trying to mount seems like balancing on a tight rope).
Orekroarks are definitely a little more elegant with their courtship, although, dancing is usually reserved for impressing your permanent mate and for those particularly frisky nights that need a little extra flare.  Otherwise, a lot of courtship just includes excessive rubbing like cats, much use of the roark word 'Chakoo' and the occasional aerial acrobatics.

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Vannjaren In reply to Scarlet-Harlequin-N [2016-09-25 15:04:26 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha, it certainly can be! And that's when it proceeds normally - woe betide any male that tries to rush things; his potential partner simply won't tolerate it, and will go from kicking him to a full-on assault, and he'll be lucky to get away unscathed, never mind getting a look-in. :'D (needless to say, it's not often males from other clans attempt a one-off mating with a Kårstatt female. It just ain't worth the bruises or potential broken ribs... Ouch.)

With established pairs though, this less-than-beautiful courtship method is a lot less pronounced, and will probably just involve a couple of half-powered kicks rather than a full session. :'D The actual... ACT... itself is a lot less violent indeed. (but by that stage, the potential suitor will have passed the test, so the hard part is over. :'D)

But OMG, noodle tango... haha, that is indeed genius.
As for how they mate...
"Trying to mount seems like balancing on a tightrope".

I love your descriptions.

I do indeed have an answer for that; Krovens DON'T mate standing up. That probably WOULD look awkward, like mating giraffes and then some. Instead, they mate like felids, with the female laying and the male crouching - mating lions or tigers gives a good idea; just a lot more... noodly.
This has a few benefits; for one thing, Kroven mating can take quite some time, so it's an easier position to hold for longer. But also, it helps to cancel out size-differences in inter-clan matings.
For example, a big male Kroven with a small female, if he were to mount and lean his weight on her back, that wouldn't end well. (just thinking of Adolphus and his much smaller second mate... Squish. O_o)
Also, a larger female with a smaller male - unless he has a stepladder handy, that ain't gonna work.
So... That's how it happens in Krovens.

Ah, I understand - haha, dancing used to get a bit more spice into the routine. ^^ (and ah, Krovens do rub like cats too as a display of affection, but this is more between friends, siblings, pack members or permanent mates. For two strangers thinking about getting it on, it's less amicable. :'D)
Also, haha, dare I ask what "Chakoo" translates as, or do I not want to know? :'D

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to Vannjaren [2016-09-26 02:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Kroven are just combative to the very fiber of their being
I... feel somewhat like a small male trying to mate with a large female may have to be braced for some serious damage.  A good kick and somehow I imagine him utilizing skyrim physics and ending up in space.  Are there ever any accidental deaths in regards to courtship?

heh, "Chakoo" in its most mild translation is the equivalent to screaming "Sex please".  Not to be confused with "Chucco" which is just an expression of love, like someone saying 'I love you'.

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Vannjaren In reply to Scarlet-Harlequin-N [2016-09-26 17:20:05 +0000 UTC]

Ah, they certainly are in a lot of situations - but not in all areas of life. *I swear... :'D* Some individuals also are less combative or aggressive than others - but that often affects them negatively if their surrounding neighbours aren't that way inclined. Interestingly enough, whilst many animals will fight or squabble over food, Krovendraekk actually don't argue over this matter - but I think they find enough other things to fight about. :'D
I think the violent courtship is directly linked to the overall physical nature of the species, as potential mates are physically and mentally tested first before mating - and in a species where hunting skills, movement and fighting ability are important, such attributes are useful.
But indeed, with mated pairs, you might get a more dramatic size difference as they've spent time bonding first and therefore courtship rituals are much less intense. But for two strangers thinking of getting it on, it's much more of an ordeal. :'D

And haha, indeed - either he needs to be prepared for getting his ass whooped, OR he needs to be seriously skilled at dodging. As for that, haha, I can't help but imagine a smaller male getting kicked completely off his feet - definitely possible depending on size difference.
As for that - an interesting question! ^^

If it does happen, it's a very rare occurrence - as typically the kicks from the female, though forceful and still pretty vicious, aren't intended to be killing blows at all - their claws are not held sharpened (Krovens can metaphysically alter their claw sharpness within a range - for traction on different surfaces, but also to prevent injuring each other during contact as their claws cannot be retracted) *though they still bleedin' hurt!*, and they don't aim for the neck or head - so blows sustained may be painful, and in extreme cases might cause some internal bleeding, but not fatal. Also, in cases where the female is a LOT bigger, a lot of males just won't risk it if they have enough sense (like, if a Chekh male tried to make a move on Ingrid or Theira *both particularly large Kårstatt ladies, I'd say he was either overambitious or had a deathwish. :'D*. That said, it IS certainly possible that a mistake could happen - perhaps the male might fail in his attempts to dodge, or she might accidentally catch him on the side of the head - though that would be a freak accident and very rare indeed.

Ah, simple enough then - though funny how it's not too far away from the expression of love - note to self not to confuse the two when addressing Roarks, or I may be faced with unwanted attention...

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GelangweilterToaster [2016-06-16 20:46:00 +0000 UTC]

the detail of this creature is amazing and it´s design is something I don´t see often. really really nice piece you´ve got here

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to GelangweilterToaster [2016-06-16 21:08:18 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much

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GelangweilterToaster In reply to Scarlet-Harlequin-N [2016-06-16 21:12:35 +0000 UTC]

no problem~

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WolfofSatanas [2016-06-15 21:42:55 +0000 UTC]

What a lovely creature ouo

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ipaintway [2016-06-15 21:41:08 +0000 UTC]

i love this.  very nice

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Nitta94 [2016-06-15 21:37:49 +0000 UTC]

Incredible 😎👍

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ellektryk [2016-06-15 19:44:33 +0000 UTC]

it alreadylooks really interesting and beautifully detailed at this stage
great work : )

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Scarlet-Harlequin-N In reply to ellektryk [2016-06-16 04:22:35 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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RavenHeart1984 [2016-06-15 19:02:33 +0000 UTC]

fancy

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