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The epic battleI hope to do a comic showing this go down
here are my thoughts on it cause there's gonna be some hate mail on this one
1)gokus kamaha vs superman's super heat vision would probably suck up all superman's powers, like he said after he destroyed all the doomsdays
2)I cant Imagine Goku having problems with doomsday or darkseid after being a super saiyan
3)On paper Superman has infinite everything but I thinks that's piss poor writing and they have problems writing stories for him, they need to depower him, I hate the word infinite or invulnerable on characters, Put a limit on that
4)Superman gets tossed around by wonderwoman, batman, and everyone else, lets see batman make goku get tossed around, not happening
5)goku was moving so fast on Namek before being a super saiyan other warriors couldn't even tell,I think that beats anything they've shown superman do
6)the way they portray goku and superman on the cartoon goku clearly seems stronger, superman on the cartoon isn't super smart, cant lift the world, cant breath in space, and there's nothing wrong with that,
7)I'm fans of both, but superman hasn't excited me as much since I was an adult
8) I dont think Goku is invincible I think Dr Manhattan would destroy him pretty instantly
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Right after that punch he realized, that ain't gonna cut it. Bruh, Superman has been in this game for a long time and yes there are inconsistencies in his power, so what. He's been doing this before Toriyama was even born, he's entitled. Team Superman, every time.
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To ShannonxNaruto who blocked me even though I did absolutely nothing to deserve it (see below)
No, they have not used "legit research" in the first fight they took all the worst possible feats for Goku and several of the best for Superman. The 40 ton feat is the most inconsistent of inconsistent feats, they used some faulty scaling analysis when calculating Goku's speed and based his durability off an anime filler scene. In the rematch they didn't even bother to try and analyse how powerful Goku's God form is and just tried to hammer in why they're right despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary again bringing up feats for Superman that are taken completely out of context. And yes they are biased, just look at Tifa vs Yang for definitive proof of that, among many, many others.
Again only according to Screwattack, the same people who think that Strider beats Hyabusa, Astro Boy beats Megaman, Scorpion beats Ryu and that Toph beats Gaara. No it doesn't show who is better and stronger, just how bad they are at research. Death Battle is an entertainment show, nothing more. Goku would be able to beat Superman if you analyse him properly, in fact with Dragon Ball Super it becomes a stomp.
Goku's been defeated and died so many times, so has Superman
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He's been knocker out by some no name kid before:
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He's been knocked out by a city-busting attack before:
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He's been injured by Batman
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He held a black hole no larger than a spec of dust, however, it caused him immense pain, if he were truly limitless he'd have had no problem
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He bench pressed the Earth for 5 days but afterwards he needed to take a sundip, he's exact words were "I've been out of the Sun for the past 5 days, does that mean my powers are finite?", further proof that he has limits
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He's struggled to move the Earth before, again if he were limitless. He'd have done so with ease
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Even Superman himself admitted he has limits
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It's impossible to claim that he has no limits when so many comics show that this is not the case.
I like Superman, but he's not limitless as people claim, if Superman were well and truly without any limitations he'd be able to defeat anyone in DC regardless of time, location or circumstance, which he can't. Plenty of characters like The Presence, Lucifer, The Spectre, Imperiex Prime, Nekron, Trigon and Yuga Khan would be able to kill Superman in a 1-on-1 confrontation fairly easily.
You're not hating on anime? The post that you've just posted kind of says the opposite
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I don't think that's what screwattack mean't when they said he was "limitless". I'm actually surprised by how many people take that out of context. It goes a little more like this and makes way more sense on why the research dictated the results the way it did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FaN1V…
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It's not just in what powers supes shows from one arc to another. It's how he's written in general. He's simply that archetype of an ultimate unstoppable force for good. Take either goku or superman at random points in their timelines and it could go either way. Goku could either beat a superman in his starting career or he could beat modern Superman after training enough. But the same goes for superman who could beat a goku who's barely started his training or simply beat the modern one by taking supes from a point in time where he's absorbed enough solar energy to simply be that strong enough to do so in the first place. These characters have fluctuating power sets and so the answer can never truly be definative. It all just depends. To many factors to consider. Goku can get stronger just by training harder. Supes can do the same simply by absorbing more solar energy. In the end it simply is either a stalemate or neither side wins truly every time. No one can truly be satisfied with the results when these characters don't have a unchanging power level such as spider-man or Daredevil. They are more like hulk or sentry who can reach a level of power as high as the writer wishes it to be. It's just that simple.
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What if when Goku fought Superman something along these lines happened.
Goku flies over to kick/punch Superman and his fist/foot comes within an inch of his face but Goku stops noticing Superman's gaze staring down. Not even trying to block or dodge the attack. Not because it wouldn't hurt him but because he doesn't care even if it did hurt him. He's simply tired of fighting. Goku can't bring himself to fight an unwilling opponent since that goes against his honor. You can't claim victory over someone if they didn't even try to fight back. Not only does that take the fun out of it but it also simply goes against his honor. By choosing to not fight at all Superman has taken away any excuse Goku has to beat him. Superman would use his "soul" vision and see that Goku is a good person. Goku would test Clark by having him stand on the nimbus cloud. Proving he's pure of heart. They shake hands become buddys and Goku realizes one simple thing about Clark. He isn't a fighter. Never was. He fights to protect others. He could care less what you do to him. Goku can't force him to fight. But he can calmly ask for a friendly "spar". They would go in the "highberbolic time chamber" and everyone would hear/feel shockwaves even from the other side. They would both come out battered and beaten and Goku's friends would ask "who won?" and they would both just smile and give a vague answer that basically either means a tie or something and ends right there as a happy ending like the end of a comic.
It would be awesome to see any part of this in a pic. Could you draw a version of them in one of these scenes? Particually the beginning where Clarks is sadly looking down and Goku stops his attack in mid air.
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No need Goku would just need one punch to knock off that clown
Gou look towards vegeta: "Man vegeta and you called me a clown but this guy even beats me hehe!"
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Superman won and ScrewAttack proven it twice haha!
(Superman has no limits, which Goku has limits.)
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No, they haven't, just because Death Battle says Goku would lose doesn't mean that he would. A lot of the research they do is heavily flawed, if Tifa vs Yang wasn't proof enough of that already.
Plus Superman does have limits, claiming otherwise is just a fallacy
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I'm not arguing but yes, they have! Screwattack proved it twice that he defeated Goku by using legit research. They are not Supermantards or DBZtards who just instantly think "Oh look, Goku can defeat anyone with out breaking a sweat blah blah blah!...." or "Supes instantly wins blah blah blah!" no...it's not like that at all, they do tidy research like I just said.
Once proved beaten is ok but twice!?...seriously come on it goes to show who is stronger and better here doesn't it?...Goku is nothing compared to Superman and he'll never stand a chance ever. And that's that!
Superman don't have limits, Goku do as he've been defeated/died so many times that I've lost count! (He was even sent flying by Bills just flicking his head and he was defeated by him too. Not to mention Saitama would beat him and he's just a parody of a God-like character.)
I am not hating on the Anime but, it's just OTT to be honest and Goku is beatable by many Cartoon, comic and Anime/Manga charatcers!
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Damn, looks like the West had won this debate.
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But again, does it matter? I actually liked them both due to their struggles and there achievements.
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cool what fight awesome of superman vs goku is fantastic one great work congratulations friend
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Goku wins
Karate Kid beat pre crisis superman
Goku is karate kid on steriods
Even dc comics knows martial artist like goku beat superman
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I think its a tie. They'll probably battle each other then stop and hang out.
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I was rooting for Goku till the end but... www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97T… :/
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Goku looks so weird in comic book form, weird but cool. He actually looks like he has real hair. XD
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as stan lee said the one would win is whom ever the writer wants to win, if he wants mr fantastic to beat galactus he will if he wants spiderman to win against the hulk he will.
The point of a versus debate is simply to "show your work." There is no "once in for all "and no "end this". I do agree that any version of superman would lose to any version of goku.
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really. really." how much info of Superman do know? "he doesn't know how to fight", or this one "he can't destroy planets." oh and this one Superman fights only a bald human". News flash pal Superman learned how to fight in various martial arts and some some from krypton and trained by the God Damn Batman; he was so powerful he destroyed a giant solar system with just a sneeze;Superman fights against some of the most dangerous and powerful villians in comic book history, and most who have been able to blow up galaxies to an entire universe, note: some of these guys killed Doomsday with jst ine move and Supes beat him.
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Nah I love dc comics and yes I know about supermans martials arts skills (although a tad out of character for him). Although knowing martial arts and being a master are two completely different things. Is tim drake really that great , I mean we know he was trained by batman too. Then again Ive seen tim do some pretty incredible things. LUTHOR is awesome and thats what I'm talking about. Its not always about what the character can do but rather what the writer wants him to do. At this point characters like "galactus " "superman" "goku" ect ect those characters are all written as "the mightiest" as in its never pushing it to have them take on opponents who destroy planets glaxies univeres. They all have different versions and they all end up going back to fighting weaker enemies with the excuse of "he's holding back" both superman and goku did that.
As for the sneeze that was due to a being from the 5th dimension so it had nothing to do with supermans power.
I love the character superman he can be every entertaining and ive been reading superman comics since I was a kid and thats a hell of a long time. The the whole idea of an online debate is just that a debate there never is any real proof and getting upset about it is kind of pointless. I would be happy to chat over who would win a fight if you want to be civil about it.
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awesome work. goku doesnt even need super saiyan god to win
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really. really." how much info of Superman do know? "he doesn't know how to fight", or this one "he can't destroy planets." oh and this one Superman fights only a bald human". News flash pal Superman learned how to fight in various martial arts and some some from krypton and trained by the God Damn Batman; he was so powerful he destroyed a giant solar system with just a sneeze;Superman fights against some of the most dangerous and powerful villians in comic book history, and most who have been able to blow up galaxies to an entire universe, note: some of these guys killed Doomsday with jst ine move and Supes beat him.
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really. really." how much info of Superman do know? "he doesn't know how to fight", or this one "he can't destroy planets." oh and this one Superman fights only a bald human". News flash pal Superman learned how to fight in various martial arts and some some from krypton and trained by the God Damn Batman; he was so powerful he destroyed a giant solar system with just a sneeze;Superman fights against some of the most dangerous and powerful villians in comic book history, and most who have been able to blow up galaxies to an entire universe, note: some of these guys killed Doomsday with jst ine move and Supes beat him. guess what super saiyan god is just an exaggeration
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>"3)On paper Superman has infinite everything but I thinks that's piss poor writing and they have problems writing stories for him, they need to depower him, I hate the word infinite or invulnerable on characters, Put a limit on that"
And Goku isn't OP as fuck on paper either? Seems legit.
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Well the thing about dbz is that EVERY character has pretty much the same type of powers just a few different moves or transformations. With superman we have normal humans fighting along side him the scale is totally off. Not saying that's a bad thing. Plus if your going to go back and forth crisis and pre crisis then you would have to include other versions of goku like the various film versions and Don't go saying that bull about not being written by toriyama , do you know how many writers superman had.
As I always say I mean no insult towards you I just enjoy a good versus debate as most comic book fans do.
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I agree however even precrisis superman has been beaten, against super karate he had no defense(I'm serious it was called super karate it was so funny.) he has also been killed many times so he is no way immortal. Plus the current superman isn't that strong, sure he can move a planet and slowly build up to flying at the speed of light and beyond (he can't do it instantly). Then take goku even at the start of dbz they blew up the moon. It takes a lot more power to shatter the moon then it takes to move an earth sized planet. add to that how much stronger they got in the seoncd seaon against freeza then even more so against cell or the fact that fat buu is 1000 times stronger than freeza (line right from the manga). superman stopped being a challenge for goku after the freeza saga even sun dipping wouldn't help after the cell saga. even batman states that wonderwoman punches faster than superman even though he can fly faster.
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Goku can defeat quite a few versions of Superman. He can defeat Golden age, Current new 52, Pre Flashpoint (Post Crisis), all the movie and cartoon versions and thats about it. All the other Supermans are over powered to no point. One good example is Pre Crisis, that superman can sneeze a galaxy away and fly faster than infinity, others like Prime put THAT version of superman to shame. But Goku can defeat most versions.
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wait wasn't that due to mr mxleplx (or how ever you spell his name) mystic sneezing powder. a being from the fifth dimension who can manipulate anything? Nice try buddy.
Ps as you know or should know I mean no insult by this and have no ill will towards anyone here. I as many of us comic book fans enjoy a good versus debate. It's all in good fun.
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*edit* Pre Crisis can sneeze a Solar System away. (lol) I messed up on that.
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You obviously don't read the comics at all. Doomsday is constantly evolving and changing, so nothing will ever work on him twice. Doomsday is as strong as Superman, far more devious, can change his size like the Atom or Giant Man, as well as being one fuck of a telepath, the ability to manipulate molecules, and lots of other scary shit. And how they portray Superman in a cartoon doesn't mean anything. Of course Superman can't breath in space, nothing to fucking breath! But he can survive in it, and remmber those blocks and limitations of his? He THINKS he needs oxygen to survive. But he doesn't. He limits himself so that he doesn't start to scare people... or himself. And it's nice to see you aren't a 100% die hard goku fanboy who thinks he can beat any other fictional character in existence, destroy whole universes, and it the best fucking thing since sliced bread. I keep hear that Dark Rob Schneider can beat him, what's that about? And Superman gets "tossed around" because he story is far longer, far more interesting, and he has more than one writer.
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yeah but then theres all the resets he gets put through, with the new 52 what was canon before is no longer canon. A lot of people get more than a few things wrong about superman but then again they get things wrong about goku as well. like the whole 40 tons thing. hell he's moved far more than that as a child. hell goku was even evading bolts of lighting as a child. I'm pretty sure he got struck a few times. so much randomness in dbz lol. as for the breath in space the same could be said for goku as he went to the moon as a child. as for goku and superman being the most powerful. no there are plenty of characters in fiction that can do far more. some being lesser known characters. I will say that dc characters tend to be more interesting because there are more writers and so many different versions (keeps things from getting stale.) supermans power does make sense since it comes from the sun. But then there is no real barrier as to how powerful a saiyan can become. of course no one will ever agree as to who would win but its fun to chat about. hell people argue just as much about other verses. its just that these two characters are more popular. (also being main hero characters, they always come out on top in their storys and that fuels the debate even more.
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when the fuck did Goku go to the moon?
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no need to get upset by the way.
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in season one of the original dragon ball and no need to freak out there, its just a versus debate. These are meant to be fun. Ok I will explain when go took boss rabbit to the moon with his nyo bo (or how ever you spell it. he used it to extend all the way to the moon and put boss rabbit on the moon. thus explaining the old Japanese folk tale about rabbits on the moon.
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yeah the original dragon ball was a lot more goofy than z . I found it more entertaining.
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