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Sometimes I wonder how she wins...Vector-brony made every vector. vector-brony.deviantart.com/
Sorry I keep making so much fallout equestria stuff... It is fun though :3
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*facepalm* Blackjack! You're about to bust, better get ready to anti up again. Oh well, good thing those three bastards never actually teamed up against out favorite security mare. Anyway, love the background!
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Would of made for an epic battle if they did team up
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"Sometimes I wonder how she wins..."
Mary Sue for the win.
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You do realize how much she lost before/because she wins, right?
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Does this makes her less Mary Sue? Her all adventures can be described in one phrase: "BLACKJACK ENDURES". And she endures to much to call her "luck" or "skill" or "talent" a plot armour.
Whole fic is "Blackjack does something - some villain with tragic backstory does something bad - Blackjakc got beaten to nothingness - BLACKJACK ENDURES - she dos something bad to villain - DRAMA, DRAMA everywhere "I am a bad pony!"".
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1. She had a mental breakdown at least three times, once she tried to kill herself; she needed somebody else to pick her up. So she doesn't "endure" all the time.
2. I wouldn't call it as much as a plot armor, but set of events triggered by her and others. Examples: she won her fight with Deus because he had had started attacking those Zodiacs that also came to kill Blackjack, they turned on him; when she was dying, Glory came with way to save her; the last time she died, she was saved by several characters she had spared in the past.
3. Legate and Steelrain had no tragic backstory whatsoever, not to mention the Eater of Souls. Even Somber once mentioned to me when I asked if any villain of his can be just simply hated, and he pointed those, as well as Cognitum (with which I would argue, as she is Luna, who suffered much, but without equanity[humanity])
4. Against Sanguine she didn't get "beated into nothingness"; he had killed, however, several ponies she knew and liked, and many more. But that is a different kind of "beaten"
5. She had long since stopped feeling so despaired after killing a villain. She kills Steelrain, and says only "Everybody deserve a second chance. Some people just don't take it."
Also, when I mentioned her losses, I mean mostly having her friends killed, entire stable... or what happened in the latest chapter I won't believe it until Somber produces us the body, mind you, but still, the feels...
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"She had a mental breakdown at least three times, once she tried to kill herself; she needed somebody else to pick her up. So she doesn't "endure" all the time."
Mental breakdown three times? Still in her mind? Doesn't endure all the time?
Choose two out of these really wisely. Mental breakdowns leave nothing civil in normal person, they become nothing but a unstable little explosive.
" I wouldn't call it as much as a plot armor, but set of events triggered by her and others."
Saved by an epic "savior arrives at very last moment" once - I will call this luck. Hard luck, but still uck. Twice, thrice - plot armor. Most of her "salvations" were exactly unbelivable in any way - either she again endured till the last moment, or the savior was totally not the one expected at all.
"Even Somber once mentioned to me when I asked if any villain of his can be just simply hated, and he pointed those, as well as Cognitum (with which I would argue, as she is Luna, who suffered much, but without equanity[humanity])"
Three out of wow how many. Even when she dealt with them, she shown some freaking kind of empathy. "Oh no, look, one of those ghosty twins who were sent to kill me is stuck in the wall! Need hug her"
"Against Sanguine she didn't get "beated into nothingness""
Eh, one case of how many?
I remember her surviving .308-headshot. This is definite death, dammit. Or a severe broken neck in a better case.
"She had long since stopped feeling so despaired after killing a villain. She kills Steelrain, and says only "Everybody deserve a second chance. Some people just don't take it.""
So badass, much drama.
Almost every plottwist with Blackjack includes DRAMA OF EPIC SCALE. Almost everytime when a normal pony would die, she endures at most EPIC degree. I can go on and on, switching topic to major fic flows, but that doesn't make Blackjack any less Mary Sue, who would die a lot of chapters ago, if not that plot armor and author's will.
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I have to say this:
"Mental breakdowns leave nothing civil in normal person, they become nothing but a unstable little explosive."
She is self-destructive. She does what she does, not caring about her safety (explaining why she gets beat up a lot...)
The plot armor thing, eh, Idunno, she gets saved a lot, but she doesn't want to be saved. So her luck/skill/destiny/whateverthingthatkeepsheralive is becoming more and more of a punishment in her opinion. But you have a point.
The villains...well, sorry for her having a better soul than most heroes by caring for everypony, including the villains.
The fourth point is pretty much the second one. And the fifth point...bleh, she is learning not to let bad ponies make her think that they're going to become better to betray her later.
You have good arguments, but not all of them are valid.
(Edit: This is a Fallout crossrover. You can survive waaaay worse things in Fallout.)
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"She is self-destructive. She does what she does, not caring about her safety (explaining why she gets beat up a lot...)"
Meet the BlackJack, the Psycho. Cool, so much badass. Need I remind that no sane person will fall in this situation? Cause they are, like, sane. And I am not talking about crazy-badass characters with their crazy smiles who like the action part most. I am talking about those ones with schizophrenia and other mental disabilities. Is Blackjack the same?
"The plot armor thing, eh, Idunno, she gets saved a lot, but she doesn't want to be saved."
This doesn't matter, as Somber wants her saved - she will be saved, no matter what. This is one of signs of Mary Sue, actually - when author, ignoring any logic, does with characters what he wants. He wants them ENDURE - he makes them endure. He wants them to buck till the sunrise - they will buck till the sunrise. He wants them to be merciful to even the worst guy in the world just because they are self-proclaimed heroes - they will be merciful.
So if you are saying "she is not given what she wants" is an excuse for plot armour, then you are horribly wrong. First: things are never easy, lol. Second: Somber still writes about how she endures against all odds. Mary Sue isn't all about getting what you want, it is also about stupid epicness and showing off.
"The villains...well, sorry for her having a better soul than most heroes by caring for everypony, including the villains."
Yeah, pity that what she did in first place was stupid enough to believe that at least somebody will do it. This is not some stupidity, this is just... pardon my french, bullshit. The only ones who might do this is only saints, and even they are sane enough not to just go and help whoever they see - and seriously, even they don't lecture the bandits when the thugs can make some holes in the saint's body.
"And the fifth point...bleh, she is learning not to let bad ponies make her think that they're going to become better to betray her later."
Oh really? Unbelievable, she is learning something! Oh wait, I got that tingling sense when I know that I gotta expect more drama with "I used to be a good pony, showing mercy and stuff, but you evildoers screw me up. Time to pay and die, sucker".
That is what I got when I read that. And well, I can't expect any other after a scene with that slaver mare. "DON'T BE A SLAVER ANYMORE OR I WILL EAT YO BABIES!" - "Okay, I won't, miss who I see only first time in the life and with high probability the last time! I won't!". Really? How can somebody actually believe in this?
"(Edit: This is a Fallout crossrover. You can survive waaaay worse things in Fallout.)"
Oh, so, am I reading a story where I want to feel character's feelings, where I want to experience the same adventures in some world? Or am I reading some freaking Fallout 3 mod walkthrough, with save/load scumming?
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1.- I don't think she is sane anymore.
2.- I said you got a point, but also, most stories have the main character surviving till the end. There are some exceptions out there, I believe (I haven't read many books).
3.- She is not a smart pony. That explains everything in this.
5 (you didn't say anything about 4th point, I think).- ...uuhh, I don't really get your point (possibly because my english is not so good, and I may be getting it wrong), but... till what part of the fic did you stopped reading? She is learning not to be as stupid as she was in the beginning. Also:
" "Okay, I won't, miss who I see only first time in the life and with high probability the last time! I won't!". Really? How can somebody actually believe in this?"
She met the slaver again, so I don't get this (again, my english).
The Fallout point.- I made this out of sillyness, really. But there are things in both worlds that can make surviving a bullet to the head possible.
A tiny opinion not related to the argument.- You sound like you don't like the story. I don't see why you're still reading it (if you're still reading it, that is)
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1. We haven't seen any signs of sanity going down. All her cries were just far-fetched.
2. And some stories just don't throw EVERYTHING the author got in mind. "Many stories have this" isn't an argument.
3. There is a difference between "not a smart pony" and "psycho". The first ones, even with their intelligence, won't go to the places of certan deathes. Heck, they won't even think about going here. They won't rely on luck. Second ones don't care about their safety, they ignore the instinct of safety. And it must have taken much more than BlackJack met.
5. I have stopped reading somewhere after 55th, and right now I am just filling the spoilers of major plots, like meeting with m6 of original FoE, and stuff.
Nothing changes, all my feelings "DRAMA INTENSIFIES" are intesifying.
" But there are things in both worlds that can make surviving a bullet to the head possible. "
There are no such things. A bullet to the head will either kill you, or, if you are REALLY REALLY REALLY lucky and wear a helmet, will leave you with a broken neck. Which, you know, is quite bad as it is.
"You sound like you don't like the story"
Why should I like the story
1) where everything is tied to show EPIC DRAMA;
2) where everything is tied to show how BADASS Blackjack is;
3) which is bad by itself with all of these crap "unique weapons, unique relationships, must be better than original at any sorts (and by that I mean 53 orgasms and crazy powers)";
4) of a writer who is arrogant as hell and likes to brag about himself? Reallly, "I don't like how Pinkie died, so I changed it". Okay, if Somber can do it, so can I. Twilight wasn't absorbed by Goddess, it was just her replica, maybe even a changeling which was hired to fool the assassins, and Twi successfully made to the some sort of bunker and stuff. And Celestia hadn't finished as it was told in the book, she made it to the some safe place where she lives in a sorrow, but helps to ones in need and stuff. And that bones LP found was just... meh, she made them out of pegasi and unicorn bones. Or she made somepony here an alicorn, but it was too late and that new alicorn died.
Blackjack is just another "black-n-red-n-white" OC which are hated by fandom for their showy badassness.
Retcon is for immature authors.
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Okay, your opinion I guess.
(I don't know where did you get the "53 orgasms" thing, really. I haven't seen that in the fic. Also Littlepip had unique weapons, too, and the relationships thing is just...eh, I don't see them "unique," really. And Kkat let the sandbox open. AND somber didn't change certain things as much as you with your little Twilight example)
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I still think a stupid pony would have started like blackjack, though.
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"I don't know where did you get the "53 orgasms" thing, really. I haven't seen that in the fic."
That was here, I am pretty sure. The point is that in every point Littlepip was "cool", like mutations, orgasms, and unique weapons, Somber tends to excel Blackjack in these. So far, Blackjack is LittlePip in square, even in a cube.
"Also Littlepip had unique weapons, too"
There is a difference between "unique weapons as a reference to the game" and "let's give unique weapons just for the sake of having unqie weapons!".
"AND somber didn't change certain things as much as you with your little Twilight example"
The point is that he just said "I don't like it, and I can do better". So yeah, if he can do the retconing, why can't I? I didn't like what happened to Celestia and what happened to Twilight. Somber is no extraordinary person to justify that, so why can't I do this?
"I still think a stupid pony would have started like blackjack, though."
After one or two fights even a stupid pony will understand that even this pony can die easily, and there is no omen, no plot armor, no karma to protect from death. And by this, this stupid pony will know that it is better for her to stay away from the fights as much as possible.
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Man, i like you 
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Lighthooves, Steelrain and Deus, hmmm...
Well Blackjack, methinks discretion is the better part of valor in this situation.
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