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Published: 2011-05-07 00:30:21 +0000 UTC; Views: 45037; Favourites: 840; Downloads: 1104
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Another quick sketch. I lost my original little paper thumbnail sketch of this, but recent I had the idea to make a tank with the turret as big as the chassis
So when the request of the night was tanks, this came out.Heavy armor, huge auto cannons, anti tank missiles, and counter measures galore. This tank is designed to rumble through the urban combat environment and dish out serious damage to opposing tanks and mechs alike.
For clarification, I'm on the side that says just because mechs magically become viable doesn't mean tanks don't get to share in the same magic. This thing is a serious combatant and with thicker (more efficient) armor coverage than a mech of the same weight, face to face it has good odds of taking the win.
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cool ... looking forward to see that one finished ^^
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Probably wont 
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T___________________________T ... you just broke my heart ... *went to corner and cries his heart out*
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KA-Bloooey! Nice turret...faved!
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Pretty much the direction Reich engineering was going towards the closing years of World War 2.
Reminds me much of the infamous Sturmtiger! [link]
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Sturmtiger isn't too big for an artillery type vehicle. But yes they did have some crazy big tanks in mind.
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what about bombers.... it a dead beast...
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It does have active defense, probably affording it a bit more of a chance of survival, but owning the skies is always a powerful thing.
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Yep, but the insurgents in the middle east still can pretty much annihilate the enemy from caves and tunnels, so controlling the skies is pretty much only useful if your fighting a fixed battle with "conventional" forces
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This tank and such a bomber are conventional forces, and insurgents wouldn't be in caves if we didn't control the air.
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we?? im in school :S
and what im saying is if one side started using mechs in a non-conventional way then this would render air support useless...
so air support would only benefit both sides were to fight conventionally since air attacks would be deadly to mechs as well as tanks...
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Cool beasty, that's got to be slow however, but brutal
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Not made for open combat, so the need for range is much less.
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Yep, an urban environment can be very cramped - but then of course having a big and slow tank trundle down an street is not a good idea unless you have ground support. Just think of what happened to the Mauders in Saving Private Ryan
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So can you explain this a little more? I'd like to learn more about the turret being the same size as the chassis. Also, do the shorter main guns mean that it can turn faster? Does it have reactive armor?
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Just a lot more weaponry, equipment, armor, and ammo fitted to the turret than a modern tank, and it looks cool
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Did you get the reference?
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There are a lot of battlestations out there.
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Thats a fatality-doer,not a tank.
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Needs a a bigger cannon, a much bigger cannon. If this thing could fly I would want the cannon to cause it stall. Conversely make it fly lol XD
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lol, I wanted it to not be limited by a long barrel in the city. Still a huge shell, just not as long ranged.
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I see I see, but if you bother painting this it better have wing decals.
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Lemme see here, for Battletech:
100 tons
2 AC/10s
2 LRM 10s
turret assembly
targeting equipment for the weapons (targeting computer for the AC/10s and Artemis IV for the LRM launchers)
lots of ammo and armor after that
It should be able to move at cruise speed 3/flank speed 5 (measured in map hexes on the tabletop) and with a good enough crew it should work
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Like AC10s, but much faster firing. Also AMS and antipersonnel mines.
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Ah gotcha. Sounds like Ultra AC/10s then (faster fire rate).
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see, thats why i like Mechwarrior. Traditional logic says the best way to fight a mech is with a mech, but that does not mean that traditional armor cannot be pretty effective. In Mechwarrior, it is not uncommon to have companies of armor and aircraft in service alongside battlemechs. i like to think that mecha is 'viable' because of its increased mobility when compared to tanks and ground armor, and while able to operate independently from armor and infantry, i always felt that mecha would work best in concert with traditional forces. It makes sense to me to use Mecha to move the battle lines in broad strokes, and use armor and infantry for finer movements. You use the heavy mechs to neutralize primary defenses, and then move in with lighter weaponry (infantry, IFV's, light and medium armor, and ultra-light to light weight mecha) to secure individual targets and structures. to reiterate, i see the scale being kindof "mecha of a particular weight class or role stands one notch higher on the scale than its wheeled/tracked equivolent" meaning that light mecha would be on the same tier as medium armor, rather than light armor. so that (to use mechwarrior weight classes) assault class mecha stands in kindof a tier all its own.
As in WoW, the issue of Gear versus Skill comes up, meaning that a rookie pilot could just easily be out-done by armor two, or three tiers lower than the rookie's mecha, simply because he is not skilled, where as an ace pilot in a light mech might stand a pretty good chance of taking down heavy armor and high-grade mecha, because s/he is very skilled with his/her equipment.
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I think Battletech still skews the effectiveness of tanks pretty hard. Particularly the mechwarrior games never feature any actual threatening tank designs. Say in MW4 there was only one assault tank, scary AC20 on it, but you could just snipe it. LRM carriers showed their worth other than dying in one shot. Imagine if there were assault tanks with gauss rifles and LRMs, you'd take them seriously. Then if they were actually as effective as they should be (a fusion engined tank should be blazing fast and armored) it would be even scarier.
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I feel like the main advantage of a battlemech should be mobility. where i like the idea of tanks feeling more like (mostly, with some exceptions) mobile turrets, i also like the idea of ace tank crews being skilled enough to get kills on less traditional armor. something that, as you said, is all but impossible in mechwarrior. I also thought it funny, with mechwarrior, your team, whatever youre piloting, is never truly outmatched. in fact, much the opposite. You, the principle pilot, and your lancemates (but mostly you) are virtually unstoppable. there are literally hundreds of notches on the player's mech, one for each kill they score. sometimes dozens in a single mission.
The idea of deploying that many mechs only sort of does not bother me (more later) but the idea that one pilot, in what should be (usually) an underweight mech for the job, could down (like the last mission of MW4: Vengeance) twenty or thirty mechs bothers me an awful lot. I know the idea is meant to reflect the idea of the Aerial Aces of WWI and II, but still... think of all the money going down the tubes when the fusion reactors go boom in those babies.
About there being so many deployed, in MW3 the player storms a mechworks, makes sense to have the mechworks guarded by large hardware, in parts of MW4 you have a similar situation on a number of parts, but holy crap man lol mechs are so expensive so as to be unobtainable by anyone that is not military or para-military in their universe, where sometimes one can afford an entire company of armor, before one can afford a mech. having so many mechs in one place without supporting armor seems reckless and wasteful lol.
anyway, yeah bottom line, i agree that if they were ever to be seen on the battlefield, mechs would be supported by armor, not used to outright supplant it, and that armor should still be scary even to mechs. I see them as kindof like "glass cannons" strong but fragile.
as far as scale, i really like the scale of (without the super martial arts jumping flying haduken-firing of) Full Metal Panic.
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bang, you're dead. And so is the guy next to you and the guy next to him and the guy next to him and the horse you rode in on and the rest of your platoon...
THAT IS ONE BIG GUN...THE INVENTOR MUST BE COMPENSATING FOR SOMETHING. WHAT EVER IT IS, HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB.
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This tank is quite the startling sight; just look at the size of its huge cannon.
Itβs defiantly not going to be light; that must be one hell of an engine.
Enemies are sure to die of fright; it will crush the opposing faction.
It defiantly has quite a lot of fight; itβs one very powerful weapon.
It excellently displays its might; it certainly protects the crewman.
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Armor clad poetry?!?
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You know it. Fire power and armor are a thing of beauty, plus things that make other things go boom are a nice bonus.
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Mechs are viable for establishing good visibility and superb firing positions (especially in very close quarter city-like environments) They would also be very good at traversing very difficult and rough terrain and quickly move past basic obstacles. (depending on how agile of a mech we are talking)
The problem, with the added height also adds visibility to the enemy. Because the enemy can now see you earlier you paint a huge target on your head. The only day we will start seeing mechs (or at least the big ones) in combat is when we start producing high tech defensive counter measures. (such as energy shields or something like it)
Until that day comes, the great mech wars of the future is still a fantasy.
Or at least that's what I think about it.
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and imo (although melee weapons are awesome on mecha) i would seriously doubt you would ever see melee anything on a mech, except maybe *Maybe* a club-limb hammer type situation. the exception to this might be if the energy shielding or high-value armor neutralizes a large amount of incoming projectile force, a-la dune's energy shields "the slow blade penetrates the shield"
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Well, depending on how powerful we can get energy shields to work.(and how they function in the first place) A melee weapon may be required to penetrate those shields. (or at least that's the shorthand)
An additional note, melee weapons could be used to break down and destroy enemy emplacements, act as tool to get large doors and other entrances open, and finally act as a last resort should everything else become expended. We give knives to soldiers on the ground after all. (Don't we?)
So I don't think it's fair to write it out altogether. It is still a good possibility that future mechs will include melee weapons.
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