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Silfae — In the Second Cycle
Published: 2012-07-15 18:31:25 +0000 UTC; Views: 2662; Favourites: 23; Downloads: 12
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Another among the various plotholes, maybe not of the more important ones, but still, especially after the Extended Cut, when the Catalyst clearly states that the first population processed wasn't in favor of its solution, you could find yourself asking how the Starchild forced the society which created the tecnology of Citadel, Reapers and probably Mass Relays into the Harbinger form.Since it was put in charge of the future of both organics and synthetics, you'd think such smart organics who programmed it, would also mantain special precaution about the whole thing...
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That was the only way it made sense to me - and damn is that a stretch - that these super smart original builders turned everything over to this AI, and the AI was batsh*t crazy.
Craptacular doesn't begin to cover it.
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Plotholes, logical mistakes and the fact that most decisions didn't mattered after all.
I mean sure, their logic could be an alien one. Very alien... very very alien...
Could've been such an epic ending. But it falls far behind Star Trek V.
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I wonder why reapers look the way they do? I think the First Race looked like them. What do think?
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It's stated by the Catalyst itself in the Extended Cut: the Reaper form is designed to be like the one of the First Race, at least for Harbinger. Every Reaper should be alike to the race it was made from.
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So why do most of them look the same? <.< Reapers being lazy maybe?
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EDI says that the little ones are more alike; for the Sovereign-class I'll say it was lazy developers.
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Why was there a human form Reaper?
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For what EDI supposes, the Reaper's form should be similar to the species used in its creation.
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So then why do all Reapers look alike? Shouldn't there be some Human Reapers, and some Reapers that look like races that came before the Protheans?
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The human Reaper is the one destroyed in the Collector base, there weren't humans in the previous cycles (or they were too primitive to be harvested), so there couldn't have been others.
Canonically there should be different kinds of Reapers, that's what EDI tells Shepard; I assume they appear all the same in cutscenes and such because the developers didn't want to loose too much time creating different forms of Reapers which would have had only few seconds of appearance in game.
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I thought she said the opposite?
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It happens during a scene after Tuchanka, when Shepard finds her in the AI Core. I remember she says that the Destroyer-class like the one of the Shroud where alike, while the biggest, like Harbinger or Sovereign, had more differences.
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Yeah that's what I meant. Sorry I misread you.
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No problem, you're welcome.
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I am thinking they made at least a handful of Reapers per cycle, you know if the chosen race (and that is if a race gets chosen, the Protheans only got turned into angrish wasps not "uplifted") has a couple of billions of inhabitants. But yeah, the whole thing....still huuurts!
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i understand what your thinking (i agree) but i think this is mainly saying HOW did the reapers start to began with
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Yeah, like I said, it still hurts the nogging.
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Teorically I suppose there are the numbers to create more than one Reaper per cycle, if we consider there are trillions of people in the Galaxy and it taks *only* billions to make a Reaper. Still it has to be considered that most of the times there is destruction more than harvesting (every time a laser Reaper beam fires, the vast majority of the husk's victims, the husks themselves as they're not processed). Mass Effect 2 tell us that you need to capture alive billions of speciment and spend a lot of time to create a Reaper, is not easy. Especially if it is the first, or second one.
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I doubt the First race was the only sapient race during their time. The others got harvested too.
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It could be possible. It is stated Harbinger was the first, maybe others were created in the same cycle, still not an easy task when you don't have yet a fleet of a thousand Reapers doing the harvesting for you.
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Perhaps they used occulus fighters? Maybe the reapers were actually created AFTER Indoctrination, and that's how it all began.
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Maybe, but still looks strange. Shepard's cycle resisted form long against thousands of Reapers, plus oculi, plus husks, plus Collectors; the Protheans fought for centuries almost the same kind of forces. It's difficult to belive that the only race with an equal level of technology would be defeated when there wasn't any Reaper yet.
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From what i remember from Extended cut suggest that reapers could in the beginning be normal ships build by Catalist creators to help him maintain peace or he could take control over the creators fleet and start the first harvest. He said that his creator race was made in to first True Reaper so before they could be simple machines or AIs.
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I suppose it could be a possibility, playing on the fact that it says the First "True" Reaper.
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I think that the species that became Harbinger didn't like it, but felt they had no choice in the matter. I think that they made Glowboy here so that he could begin harvesting them to make Harbinger. How on Earth they managed to conquer the galaxy with only one reaper is beyond me. I mean Sovereign was like second in command, or atleast high up in the Reaper chain of command and he still got destroyed. Oh well, maybe the rumoured Leviathan DLC will resolve these plotholes. Well, probably not but there's hope. Anyways, great comic! Favourating!
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Maybe Harbinger had a huge robot army that he doesn't use anymore. Or the whole concept is fucking stupid! Why couldn't the Reapers just be incomprehensible space monsters like in the last two games? It worked for H.P. Lovecraft. Dammit. (BTW, you spelled 'is' wrong in the third frame.)
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Thanks.
I corrected the error, but now for some reason the image appears only in the original size, someone could explain it to me, please?
I know, maybe there was a droid army or maybe the Starchild made more than one Reaper in the first cycle, but still remains the question of how they would make one or more Reapers starting from nothing or how a simple droid army would overcome the race who created Cytadel, Catalyst etc.
Before the Extended Cut I assumed that the first race was willing to ascend to Reaper form, that would be a good plot point rather than the usual AI gone Ax Crazy (and it would have been even better if it was Harbinger telling Shepard that), but in the second version, the Starchild seems to clearly state that the Creator race didn't want to become a Reaper.
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I think it would be way better if we never know their origins. The games make the point many times that the Reapers are way beyond conventional understanding. "In the end, what does it matter? Your survival depends on stopping them, not understanding them." - Vigil
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Yes, although I belive the problem was more in the exposition rather than the reason itself. As many say already, it would have been better if it was Harbinger explaining.
Or they could have mantain what they hinted at in the previous game: the Reapers visit the Galaxy every 50.000 years to reproduce themselves.
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Reproduce AND control the species. If you harvest them, they can never out do you technologically. Especially since everyone uses mass effect technology. They have a predicable development thanks to the relays. Here, this article came out 10 days after the release. It's damn smart. [link]
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Yes, that sums up almost everything. Thanks for the link.
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No problem. More people should read that.
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