LabratKuma [2017-08-17 04:19:18 +0000 UTC]

I saw this on Vivziepop Amino, this is very usefull

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Idontfukingknow [2017-03-05 06:01:37 +0000 UTC]

I know this is old, but...
What happens if you do a heavily referenced photo that supposed to be heavily referenced, if that makes sense?
Like, say that I'm drawing an idol, and I heavily reference the pose and details. Is that okay?

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colorprincess [2016-07-22 22:52:50 +0000 UTC]

Fashion croquis are okay to trace of course you can't claim you drew the pose yourself but if you have problems with poses you can buy a whole book of those draw a bigger head and ta da you have an anime pose you can use to draw an outfit and hair on. Some people just can't draw poses. 

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PutterPen [2016-04-13 00:51:36 +0000 UTC]

Wow this is very helpful. I'm glad this exists!

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resplendentCaballer [2014-11-21 02:30:08 +0000 UTC]

*heavy breathing*  I'm iffy about the highly referencing thing.   Sometimes you just need a pose reference.  Ergh, how do I explain?  Like you gather a bunch of images and you think "yeah, like that, and also like that but altogether thematically this one" or "this character's face, this character's pose, and this background."  Idk I may be detailing an entirely different situation. 

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reanmeih [2014-03-26 16:40:12 +0000 UTC]

Totally. I can see why tracing and referencing that are practically copied off is a complete no. Well, unless you get permission.

I was never one to care, either for me or for others, if any sort of work is vaguely referenced though. I mean, some people say, no reference at all, but I see that hand and I see how it should look. Thus I take note of how that hand is drawn correctly, and reference it on my own work. That any problem? Yes? Well, I don't care. You'd always be influenced in one way or another. But beyond a certain point, it's certainly courtesy to let the person know, and credit them if necessary.

Great guide! It needs to become common knowledge where to divide the lines.

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Spigos [2014-03-12 16:40:57 +0000 UTC]

It's good that you bring this topic up

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Akinatris [2014-03-04 16:52:12 +0000 UTC]

Am I doing this when using a landscape photograph? I use it like a base because I work with a mouse and don't have a drawing tablet. I give credit to the photographer (or at least where I found it).

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SpoodleButt [2014-03-03 19:34:45 +0000 UTC]

I literally had this yesterday. Several months back someone posted an amazing painting of a turtle and yesterday I came across on the newest page a very similar looking MSPaint drawing. So I dig up the old one and lo and behold, a direct copy. They hadn't even said anything, just typical 'my art comment plz'. Ugh. So I linked it in the comments and they have since linked to it, but it's still not good. The worst part is that I had someone actually attack me for saying what I said!

Me:
'I've no issue with you doing this sort of thing generally but did you obtain permission to draw this? It's what appears to be a trace/copy of *link to original image* If not please go get permission'

Commentor:
'A "trace" is placing an image on top of an image and everything lining up. Using an image for inspiration is not a crime. As long as he isn't selling the image for profit there's nothing wrong here. I suggest looking up the terms of "artwork theft" before accusing someone.'

Inspiration my left foot, it was a flat out copy. Some people.



I used to copy stuff from TV shows and deviantArt. The only things I traced were my own drawings, to copy them for a friend or whatever. I learned from it but never posted them, thank goodness. Now I know better. It's a good way to learn but only goes so far.

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JamtRaven [2014-03-03 12:32:17 +0000 UTC]

Why reference someones art style at all, whom already has put his\her stylistic choice of their anatomical understanding into a pose, When studying anatomy yourself could yield far better poses, a good understanding of how that pose works in the first place, and finally greater originality if that's your concern.

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MinervasOwls [2014-03-03 11:23:13 +0000 UTC]

I made an ArtTrade with someone some time ago and she just remade the picture of mine I gave her as ref of my charcter ... that was.. disappointing and strange. I don't want something like this to happen ever again...

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Funkygame [2014-03-03 09:49:07 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, with tracing you can learn how to draw some pose,or even get idea for new pose,but i don't get people who trace artwork and then,they deny that they stole pose that is totally identical with originali :/ and they argue with other people about that ,really immature

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SauceGhost [2014-03-03 00:03:43 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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Tiffanois [2014-03-02 23:36:40 +0000 UTC]

One of my followers trace one of my own drawings and give it to me as a gift. o_e;

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BeautySnake [2014-03-02 23:28:47 +0000 UTC]

I had a person that, around two year ago, asked if they could make lineart off of a thing I made and I told then that I'd prefer if they didn't and it was all fine, but then the next day I clicked on their icon and I saw that they went ahead and did it anyway without crediting or anything and they made it as a gift for their friend and??? idk it just irritates me. referencing doesn't irritate me as much as heavy referencing and tracing. 

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JirouNamakii [2014-03-02 23:26:40 +0000 UTC]

Ahh... so that what tracer do too?

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raveneevee [2014-03-02 17:28:30 +0000 UTC]

sha, i look at pictures and redraw them for shading practice and sizing, i kinda like seeing how close i can get to the original. i still post them though cause i like how it turns out, i never claim the stuff i drew as original though. is that still wrong?  

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Jo-san [2014-03-01 12:49:04 +0000 UTC]

They way you describe "highly referencing" is something I commonly find labelled as "eyeballing". Good for learning basics - not okay to use for creating artwork. :/

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SaintTwilight [2014-03-01 11:58:14 +0000 UTC]

I so like your journals because you don't be afraid to say what you think. These copy thingies is so much in the movement right now, and the people who do that have to understand it's not right.

Love your artwork, you're amazing! .u.

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kage-niji [2014-03-01 07:40:48 +0000 UTC]

I agree here. Sometimes I reference or highly reference art to practice anatomy, but never post it.

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Jaydetheshadowdragon [2014-03-01 05:09:18 +0000 UTC]

I literally started out tracing. yup. I wasn't on DA, but ive traced stuff from DA. I was also really really young so yeah whatever. highly referencing is really unoriginal, but if you have a picture in your mind and you find something similar to reference from because you really need help with it, then it's okay in my mind. and honestly, there are only so many poses, and many people use the same poses without flipping out at each other, so it should be completely okay unless they literally traced and have a history of tracing. recolors are terrible. 

long story short this is awesome. I agree

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D-Rock92 [2014-03-01 04:00:05 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this. You've made some good points.

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Rocky-Fuller [2014-03-01 02:14:29 +0000 UTC]

Always ALWAYS ask people! Even if someone got permission first, you should still ask. And NEVER touch commission work either unless the artist doesn't mind

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NiehHuskey [2014-03-01 02:00:08 +0000 UTC]

I often print people's art out and copy from there, then i'll play around use the poses for references and such. This is exactly how I learn, I would be disgusted at myself if I ever uploaded it. 

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TheMagicalChair [2014-03-01 01:43:26 +0000 UTC]

I've actually heard that many artist appreciate referencing drawings and tracing. its a way of showing them that their art appeals to them and that they want to learn how to draw like them. but of course there is always the ones who ruin it for everyone by "stealing" calling it theirs. also many young artist don't even realize its wrong. then they have a group of angry fans yell, threaten and insult them. we all learn by imitating others it just sucks that the internet makes it so easy to "steal" and claim art as there own. I don't approve people using linearts to make adoptables (i don't adoptables in general) because its making money of someone else work, kind of like copyright.

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Grixxynix [2014-03-01 01:40:46 +0000 UTC]

I remember growing up on DeviantArt dealing with people attacking tracers without hesistation and it bothered me because hey, i traced, i never posted but i //learned// from it

so i'm glad i'm seeing more people be more open about it //now// too!!

and in all honesty tracing is a pretty innocent action as a kid, because you want to learn how to make something THAT COOL RIGHT NOW

but doing it to get the same attention as the artist would only bring your downfall, because what if you do become famous? and have to make all those works //on your own// WOAH

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Anqry-yeen [2014-03-01 01:36:58 +0000 UTC]

I don't get why people even highly reference, that's basically stealing the artists work and it may as well be the same as traced. slight referencing I see as ok as long as there is permission.

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HaruTotetsu [2014-03-01 01:27:08 +0000 UTC]

You know thinking about this...one part saddens me. Where people reference something in a rather innocent manner. Its something everyone does. Why draw in THAT pose when you could have done any pose? There's a chance you've seen it somewhere before...but you've forgot, and just subconsciously reference it. Then someone shows up claiming you've traced it...and you're just left in a state of unease because when you look at the image and the one they say you traced it looks similar enough to make you doubt your own artistic ability...so even if that wasn't the piece you've unknowingly reference you're made to feel guilty about it and are attacked into being wrong. So in situations like this where an artist could have referenced your work, but can't be certain and could have in fact referenced someone else's who just happened to use the same pose (you can't own a pose after all...that's like saying you own a colour) as your work, say the one above (as the pose looks familiar to me and you may have done this when making the work you used as an example above)...what would you do then? 

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CheeryCandy [2014-03-01 01:10:12 +0000 UTC]

its anoying when someone traces art work that you took hours to make and then they ether dont give you credit or they dont ask i hate that most of all!

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lunarmancy [2014-03-01 01:09:04 +0000 UTC]

yESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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CheeryCandy [2014-03-01 01:08:41 +0000 UTC]

i know how you feel D:

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Kandy-Cube [2014-03-01 01:07:28 +0000 UTC]

^^^

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