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SketchSchmidt-Art In reply to thegeekofwar [2013-10-09 08:13:16 +0000 UTC]

haha

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Stealer-L1F3 In reply to Sythen7 [2014-02-25 17:14:46 +0000 UTC]

As of 2553, the new Spartans, SPARTAN-IVs, are a separate branch, an independent force within UNSC's Defense Force, just like the Navy or the Marines and I have to say, you are correct.

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Dragunalb In reply to Firerwolf [2013-02-17 16:13:02 +0000 UTC]

Nah, ODSTs probably still exist. First it would be by far too expensive to turn each ODST into a Spartan IV and second, the Limited Edition of Halo4 says you need certain genetic features to survive the augmentations who are needed to be turned into a Spartan. Therefor it makes sense that the ODST still exist as the best of the non-augmented humans.

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Firerwolf In reply to Dragunalb [2013-02-17 16:21:25 +0000 UTC]

Most likely no. It wouldn't be expensive as the Spartan IV program uses chemical augmentations, and maybe some surgical, but that is way cheaper and the armor isn't as strong as the MIJOLNIR and is also cheaper. There aren't as many ODST as we might think as it is said that the 105st are the only ODST in the books but it's never stated how many. Likely many would retire after the war, and others would become Spartan IVs. Likely the ODST wouldn't exist buy Halo 4 at the least as they aren't at all in the game and it would be illogical to have that branch and not have any on the ship. They most likely would have just been made normal marines and the ODST, which would be a bit too expensive and rather than people becoming ODST they'd be moved to the Spartan IV project then they wouldn't have anyone to fill their ranks and it would be smarter to just remove the branch rather than continue to have an entire branch that is basically obsolete because of the Sapartan IVs. From a fiscal stand point it would be stupid of the UNSC to keep the ODST.

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Dragunalb In reply to Firerwolf [2013-02-17 16:41:44 +0000 UTC]

The SpartanIII also mostly used chemical augmentations only and it was still expensive. Less expensive as the SpartanII who had more implants and surgeries but still expensive. Same for the armor. It's probably cheaper than the SpartanII and III gear but still expensive compared to ODST/marine armor.
Halo4 and the books show the war isn't over. Both sides are just taking a break to reorganize their powers, so there's no reason to let soldiers retire when the enemy is about to plan another strike. Otherwise the SpartanIV wouldn't have been created.
I buyed and played Halo4 (even the limited edition) so don't worry. Just because there were none on the Infinity/we saw none on the Infinity yet, it doesn't means there are none anymore. That's like saying there are no Brutes, Prophets, Skirmishers, needle rifles, w/e anymore just because we saw none in the game.
You can't create an army consisting just of elite soldiers. That would be by far too expensive. Otherwise there would have been ODSTs only and no regular marines so far. Same with the Spartans, it's just dumb to create expensive super soldiers and send them into missions where they most likely die for a goal of small value. That's why you need solders who are cheaper and not such a big loss if they die.
Still the limited edition says you need certain genetical features to survive the augmentations. ODSTs are normal humans, so there's no way all have those genetic features for the augmentations, so even if the UNSC wanted, there's no way they could all be turned into Spartans. Maybe one day each human can be turned into a Spartan, but not yet.

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Firerwolf In reply to Dragunalb [2013-02-17 19:45:13 +0000 UTC]

Actually the chemical augmentations were cheaper, that's why they got the funding. They were cheaper, safer, and had a wider range of genetic matches. That's why there were over 400 in beta company alone, and were still cheaper than the Spartan IIs. The Spartan IVs would have been even cheaper as their armor isn't the same high tech stuff as even the SPI, being made by private sector companies and therefore they had to sell for less in order to get contracts. The fact is that all your best soldiers would be going to the Spartan IV project, so the ODST wouldn't have those people. The thing is you would be putting money into a branch that's not at all what it used to be and would rather be a waste of time.

Actually the books show that the war has completely changed. Now there are just terrorist groups in the elites like there are in humanity. Why wouldn't you let them retire when you now have a giant company of Spartans, which are stronger, have better armor, and training. Not to mention that Thursday war makes it clear that Jul isn't affiliated with the Sangehili or their planet, rather he is affiliated with a branch group that's extremely religious and that's about all there is to them(so far, the books might say more, sadly that information though will be wrapped up in crappy writing).

Actually it does. Why would you have a dangerous planet, the most important of missions that you can sent people on, and instead you send normal marines to help rather than ODST even though each mission is so important. Why would you not have ODST backing you rather than ODST. Actually there are no more prophets or brutes because of the civil war they fought. The elites would never work with them again, though likely they are alive somewhere. Likely the skirmishers and needle rifles were more of a game play choice. They replaced the annoying skirmishers with crawlers, deciding that that was a fair balance, and removed the needel rifle for a series of weapons that follow Halo 3's weapons better.

The army isn't just soldiers, but there just aren't ODST any more. There are Spartans and normal troopers. I'm saying the ODST were replaced with the Spartans so there would only be Spartans and normal marines. They aren't expensive any more. The ODST weren't cheap, they were expensive and why continue to make the more expensive ODST armor when you can just replace them wiht Spartans that are stronger, have better armor that's still not so expensive the trade off doesn't work, and are more disciplined. Not to mention who would want to be an ODST when you can be a Spartan.

Except those genetic features are much wider and cover a wide selection of the population. Actually they might all have them, we don't know exactly how few people have the genetic markers and it is very likely that a large selection of the population has the proper markers. For all we know it could be as low as 5% of the people that they look at for the Spartan program can't be Spartans, that's actually not ever stated in anything.

That doesn't matter though, the fact is that you wouldn't have an entire branch of the military that most of their soldiers would be chosen to be Spartans making them a useless branch as normal soldiers don't have what it takes to be a ODST and with already a lower total troop number than the other branches they would be stupid to keep around from the point of view of the UNSC command. Keep in mind that those in command of the UNSC are thinking about budget, about wasting what resources they still have on a branch that is basically losing all the soldier that make it worth while.

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Dragunalb In reply to Firerwolf [2013-02-18 13:38:33 +0000 UTC]

The SPI was cheap ass crap since the SpartanIII were here for suicide missions. The armor of the SpartanIV is based on the Mjolnir (you write it like that btw.) and is way better and therefor more expensive than the SPI. The SPI crashed after one shot and didn't even had shields. And again, not all humans have the genes needed to become a Spartan, so still enough good soldiers for the ODST.

Thursday war also shows that ODSTs like Mal, Vaz, Devereaux and Mal's whole squad are still active and didn't retired. Best proof. And if the war has ended -what it hasn't since Traviss' books prove otherwise- why would you need expensive super soldiers like the SpartanIV instead of sticking with the soldiers you still have? One Spartan costs as much as a whole ship/army after all! That would be extremely dumb.

Of course they've been removed just because of gameplay choices, but they still exist, see Sav Fel (the Skirmisher), the Brutes working in Ontom and the Aanrar docks and many more. The dangerous/important missions are the ones where you send in elite soldiers (ODSTs, Spartans). If you send them in for not important missions, they aren't available for the important ones unless you make a million of them what would be too expensive. That's what you need cheaper marines for.

I know plenty reasons for not becoming a Spartan... Like eating for the rest of your life special food, meds and controls each day, the mutations, danger of being crippled and far more. And a Spartan is still WAY more expansive than a single ODST! Armies today also don't exist of just grunts and elite soldiers. There are many branches in between.

And where do you got that information from how many percent of the population have those genes? It could be 95% or 5%, we don't know. Not each human can become a Spartan, so make just a marine out of him if a soldier is good enough to become an ODST and waste his potential?

Again, prove me all ODSTs have been chosen for SpartanIV? The SpartanIV are picked from all branches of the UNSC as long as they're promising and they are just a few yet. Still enough men for the ODST. Thorne for example was from the army.

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UltraViolet1197 In reply to Firerwolf [2013-02-05 23:41:46 +0000 UTC]

They don't? Wow, well it's probably because the Spartan IV's are a lot like them.

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Firerwolf In reply to UltraViolet1197 [2013-02-05 23:42:45 +0000 UTC]

Well as there is absolutely no mention of them in Halo 4, and it seems most likely that the Spartan IVs are the new ODST.

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xXGoldenNinjaXx In reply to Firerwolf [2013-02-06 02:18:31 +0000 UTC]

There are probably still ODST's, the UNSC Infinity is reserved for the Spartans IVs and their gear. No room for drop pods

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Firerwolf In reply to xXGoldenNinjaXx [2013-02-06 02:35:00 +0000 UTC]

Probably not. Most likely Spartan IVs are the new ODST. They are the best of the best, chosen from all fields and are the best.

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