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That's a man baby! (I don't think anyone is going to get that reference)
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They wouldn't show transgender/drag ponies on FiM.
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I know, but my heacanon, your not canon.
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I meant-- she's clearly listed as a mare on the wiki.
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The wiki isnt canon.
It used to list her as a stallion.
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That was a mistake... they probably didn't notice her eyelashes right away. She's a straight-up mare.
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She was listed there for months, and people were voting on her name
Proof either way doesnt exist.
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She has the same size eyelashes as Babs Seed, so they'd be hard to see, and she does have an odd snout, but... if it says she's female, then I'd rather believe that than fan theories.
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And yet you cant accept the canon of discord being an awful person and pinkie thinks so.
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If she thought so, then why'd she crack up about him dancing on Twilight's head?
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That was before he mind controlled his friends and told her nopony loved her and everyone hated her.
He made her think she was unloved, he told her everyone hated her. She clearly was absolutely willing to attack him, and showed no remorse.
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Where'd you read that? Because the last place I remember hearing that exact thing was this saga about what the 'discorded' ponies' trains of thought sounded like.
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Dont you remember him making the balloons into her friends faces, and making them laugh viciously at her while she whimpers? Dont you think thats implication enough?
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Yeah, but it wasn't that grimdark.
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It doesnt have to be. Implying all your best friends laugh at you openly when someone trips you and mock you enough to make her give up her element of laughter is enough.
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It could still work if you work around the plot a bit.
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So just make clear canon not canon?
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More like finding a way to make it work without ripping apart canon.
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So you're saying you do bend canon.
so how do you make it so he didnt do that.
It was the plot of the episode. And even if you make him not crush pinkie, he still forced fluttershy into evil, lied to applejack and rainbowdash and made twilight cry.
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He still did that. But let's imagine for a second that maybe Pinkie liked the ensuing chaos after she was reharmonized....
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So making her evil.
So making her decide to forgive him for all the pain he put ponies in.
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No, she thought the chaos looked funny and she laughed.
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So she forgot all about the evil things he did, and decided that thinking he was funny makes up for all of it. She decided that being funny makes him your perfect mate.
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.........well, after some straightening out, those wrinkles would get ironed out.
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..forgiving him is not an option untill he actually tries.
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That's entirely possible, with enough time.
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so you let him run free for a year or five on the off chance he might change?
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Not untill you can defend your point well enough to explain how it works when canon is pointing in the entirely opposite direction.
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No, seriously, drop it. I'll repeat what my friend said: Not canon until we see it. Drop it.
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Just, I dont understand...
I just...
it doesnt make sense to me at all.... I just want to discuss something with people. I like to understand what people think and understand why people have different opinions than i do. Every time I start enjoying somehing thats being dicussed, people get mad at me. Even in real life, I cant have a conversation like i want to.
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Look, it was going nowhere and turning into a broken-record conversation.
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But the reasons it was becaus you keep failing to answer the same question.
What makes what discord did forviveable.
I keep asking the same question because I dont understand how the answers you give are justified.
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Whatever, I'm done here, and we'll see what happens during Keep Calm and Flutter On.
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You can always put the past behind and make room for the future and focus on the present.
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So making ponies dangle over pits of fire without any retribution and not learning anything from a thousand years in stone is completely forgivable when he hasnt changed hios ways at all. You can forgive, but only after they put out effort into being a better person which he has not. He hadnt changed, and he showed no signs that he would.
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Let me explain:
Pinkie Pie can put Discord's past behind her because she knows he can change his ways if you give him enough time, knowledge of certain things like love and care for others and make him do it. Of course he would do it in his own ways that would not look right to the others, but that is him. It is the only way he can show it without breaking out of character.
She would focus on the present, teaching him these things while still keeping in mind about him and his limits. No, he won't hang out at Canterlot with the Princesses, but maybe he would go on a nice evening stroll with Pinkie and she can keep in control of herself just for Discord. No, he would not be around any of the other mane six but he will keep his distance from them and if they do invite him to do something with them, it's more of a keep distance thing while still having a bit of fun. Sure he may conjure a few chocolate clouds and be a bit of a prankster with the other ponies, but he will stop when he knows the others hav had enough because he would not want to be imprisoned in stone for the third time.
Making room for the future? Pinkie believes that maybe Discord can be neutrally good and tries to convince the others to do the same. Some of them won't agree but maybe Fluttershy is willing to give him a chance and so does Twilight. The others agree but they will keep their distance from him. Pinkie will sacrifice anything to see Discord as a happy as he can be without destroying any pony during this. Sure, Discord could get annoyed but he will be happy to be in the three ponies' company because they actually believe he can change and it could make him feel a bit happier.
And the dangling the ponies over the fire thing? It could have just been something he did to scare them, not actually drop them into the bright ambers and watch them die. This is a children's show not some show that combines both and shows more older content when the show is actually targeted to younger fans.
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But we hear the screams of pain. And scaring them is just as terrible.
I thought the new episode description "fluttershy is the only one who believes he can change"
Pinkie doesnt think he can change, canon.
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It's not pain, it's merely screams of terrified ponies who are trying to escape his grasp
And I know that. Pinkie Pie is a random pony and she jumps into the most unexpected situations so we could probably see her doing something in that episode. And it's not canon until we see it. NOT CANON until we actually see it. You always cannot believe words because they could just be hiding something between the lines.
And I thought you didn't believe everything from the wiki, hm?
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Isnt that horrible enough?
I didn't get that from the wiki.
I only meant that if previously the wiki had said what i believed for months and just now changed, it isnt as reliable on that.
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Let's look at two things: Terrified ponies trying to escape his grasp and terrified ponies dangling over a fire pit. Which one is more horrible? Dangling over the fire pit because if Discord was truly, truly evil, we would have actually seen a pony being dropped into that fire and heard a much more evil laugh as he enjoyed seeing them suffer the burning pain and knowing that their little pony life is being destroyed. For the first point, terrified ponies trying to escape his grasp is less horrible because he has not actually done anything with them because he only has them in his grasp. he can do whatever the hell he wanted but he has not done anything yet.
Good point, but the wiki gives a very good summary on every episode and lists any trivia or animation error. It may not be a godo source but if enough people actually go to it for source, then they will make sure that wiki has the right, accurate and reliable information for the fans to look at. Which other site does that, breaking the episode step by step?
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Having the intent to do things is honestly pretty bad.
I just think that what was shown was ponies dangled by discord over pits of fire, while screams play in the background and the ponies look physically in pain.
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Yes, but we can always learn from our mistakes, yes? For Discord, he doesn't like to learn from his mistakes because he likes making them. But he can always learn when one of his mistakes goes too far and affect him badly.
I can see that but here's what I think: The ponies were probably in pain because they did all their best to try and stop Discord but, slowly, they know they may not win because of the control he has over them and their villages. The dangling ponies over the fire is probably to show them who is in control and one wrong move that goes against him will end another ponies life, an innocent pony at that. The screams in the background is probably the ponies screaming and running away from Discord and, as I said before, in his physical grasp and wanting to escape.
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I can't argue with that because I dont understand how he could ever think he had gone too far.
Thats just friggin worse to me.
The way you describe it makes it like ten times worse.
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Maybe when it backfires on him and causes physical pain to himself? He could only care about himself during that time but when he fixes his mistake, he fixed something for a hundred ponies or something like that. He is a god and he can create a lot of "cause and effects" for a lot of ponies and himself.
I'm sorry if it made you feel worse but that is how I see it. I accept the way you see it and I shrug it off but can you do the same for mine?
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