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Description Wow, how do I start? First, let me explain the title. I've never been prejudice against homosexuals, I even have some friends who are gay and bi, and I support gay rights. But I've never been a yaoi or yuri fan and I still wouldn't say I am. (If you don't know, yaoi and yuri refer to gay and lesbian content in anime and manga.) When I read a manga series, if I take a liking to a couple or see a potential romance between two characters, it's based more on personality. I don't hurry to try pairing up the two hot guys or girls. I'm not really a "slashing" type of fan. One could call me very old school in taste or a cannon fan; the main couple that the author writes about and pairs together is the couple that I cheer on. I boo at the competition if they're particularly mean, or find it nice that someone else has these special feelings for one out of the couple but hope they'll find their own guy or girl later on in the story. And once a couple has been established on my list of favorites if I grow to really like them together, you won't see either of the characters paired up with anybody else (only exception being if one of them dies) in my fanart and fanfiction, I'm into monogamy you could say. In most of the series I follow, more of the author intended couples, or couples I find have great potential, happen to be straight. So I'm no squealing rapid yaoi fan. So how did I end up with a favorite couple that's considered "yaoi?"

It was thanks to my gut's feelings believe it or not. I'm a big fan of One Piece by Eichiro Oda, yet I only knew some of the newer events thanks to spoilers among fans. Having a terribly slow internet connection and a lack of the large amounts of money, I had only seen the anime up to the very beginning of the Water Seven arc. Finally tired of waiting around to get my hands on the anime, I looked for the manga online and read to catch up. In the middle of the Water Seven/Enies Lobby arc, I stopped to ask my sister and friends for their opinion because something was bothering me. I didn't want it to come across as stereotyping, because in several ways he fits the stereotype, but my gut was bugging me and telling me that the new straw hat crew ally, Franky, was gay.

My sister and friends weren't sure how to answer, but they sure got a laugh at how worried I was that I was stereotyping. I want to be any thing but considered "shallow"; so I proceeded with caution, taking a look again at his information and personality. Now I don't know if you will understand this, but have you ever gotten gut feelings about people even when you've just met them and somehow your gut turns out to be right on track every time? It's happened to me over and over spotting certain types of people, even recognizing fellow anime fans before we ever discuss the topic.

I talked to some other One Piece fans who do believe that's how he is and they pointed out some good support for the argument. To put a long story short, I went with my gut feelings, that Franky is gay. It didn't really change how I looked at him since I had the feeling all along, but when I wondered if he had a lover it obviously had an impact.

While I was online shopping for doujinshi, I saw that Franky, who was becoming one of my new favorite characters, was regularly paired up with his childhood coworker/debate competition/annoyance/best friend, Iceburg. (Yeah, for those of you who don't know the characters, that's seriously his name. But hey, if there are characters named Shampoo and Trunks, why not name someone after a chunk of ice in the sea?) Best friends and rivals are common couples that fans love, so I wasn't too surprised to see that was their first choice. As Franky's fan, I would gladly cheer on whatever coupling he would fit into well, but I wasn't about to jump to conclusion that this was the best answer. If Iceburg was not into other guys, I'd say no to that pairing. I stopped to look at Iceburg like I looked at Franky before, trying understand what might imply that he'd be able to fall in love with Franky on that level instead of being more of a brother.

Well what do you know? I hadn't thought about Iceburg for a long time since I was slowly reading the manga and more wrapped up in figuring out how the CP 9 would be defeated and Robin could be saved. When I went back to look at Iceburg after so long, I realized I was getting something like the sort of feeling I did from Franky. I got the feeling that he was bisexual and could very well fall in love with Franky. I read the flashback story again a couple times and decided I concurred with the opinion of those yaoi fans and doujinshi artists. Franky and Iceburg could be a couple. For that matter, they were already suspiciously close to each other.

From there it took off thanks to more of my typical analyzing, and some silly fanatic enthusiasm. Talking about it with others and asking why they liked the couple, they had some generally nice things to say. Since I really like the characters, I was happy to say I was becoming another fan of the pairing, but I also started liking the pairing more because of their actual story. Now remember, by now I'm convinced such feelings existed- if you, the reader, never has been or ever will be, please don't take my opinions personally! And I also must note that I'm a bit of a romance-story addict at times, though I do get nauseated if things are ridiculously sappy...

If one looked at their story as a romance, it was one of those amusing sort of tales about a couple people who grow to admire each other, but spend so much time arguing that they can't tell that the other one feels the same way. This has to be one of my favorite storylines for pairings since it's so funny and you wonder when or for that matter, how they'll ever realize the truth. (In another favorite anime of mine, Detective Conan, a couple I like, Kazuha and Heiji are always arguing but are obviously in love. Those moments always crack me up. It's the same sort of concept.)

While some fans would jump up and down and say "That's an awesome story! We love it!" I would tell them to "Wait! There's more!" After some wild events and some bad trickery, Franky and Iceburg are torn apart. There's anger that has to settle down and a new challenge: to try forgiving. This other challenge was a big part of what impressed me and made me all the more enthusiastic to cheer them on. There are plenty of great stories about how two people fall in love, and maybe by the end of the story there might be a few hurdles (love rivals, distance, etc.) to jump over, so we get to watch and hope it turns out okay (and if the author was optimistic, things turn out alright and they live happily ever after). For these two though, the bumps in the road even after they're in love are overwhelming, and the idea that any one, whether a man and a woman or two of the same gender, could still find their way out of the maze of such difficulty is incredible. Their endurance is admirable, and that has to be one of the biggest reasons they became one of my favorite couples in all of anime.

So there you have it, an idea of how and why I ended up as a fan of the pairing. They've been added to that list of couples that I'll always be happy to talk to other fans about. I might have grown to like them for a different reason than most, and it's rather awkward talking to fellow fans and finding that practically nobody has the combination in taste (a big fan of this couple, then a fan of many straight vs. just a fan of one type), but I'm sure as fellow anime fans (and artists) you won't mind that I'm not exactly the same as you.


If you have the time, please read which more specific notes apply to you:

-"I don't think they make a good couple."- Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Please don't feel offended by what I've written; the point of this was mostly to explain to those who know me how I ended up a fan and to reach out to any who have had similar experiences. Let's just agree to disagree. (Please don't waste your time commenting just to tell me you don't like it and don't flame me.)

-"I'm your friend, but I don't like yaoi related or homosexual pairing stuff."- Don't worry about it! I'm not going to force you to like the pairing! Let's continue on being friends- it's not like I've changed into a completely different person- it's just one thing different between us. We don't have to ever talk about it unless you want to for some reason.

-"Will you being creating artwork/stories about the pairing?"- Yes. And it will go on deviant if it's good enough. If you don't like the pairing, don't worry, just skip past that stuff- I'll still be doing art with different subjects! And also keep in mind, even if one or both of the characters appear, it doesn't always mean the piece will have a romantic theme. So don't be so worried- you can sort out what you do and don't want to view easily. As for you fellow fans of the pairing, I'm sure you're already happy because there's way too little out there for this pair! Maybe I can help change that.

-"OMG! ANOTHER ICEBURGxFRANKY FAN! Let's be friends! Let's do an art swap for the couple! Do you take requests?! (any thing of that sort)"- Hey fellow FxI fan, I'd be happy to be your new buddy! If you want to do an art swap then talk to me- leave a comment or send a note so I'll see it, and I'll get back to you. I do take art requests when I don't have too many of them. You'll have to bug me and we'll see if I have too big a pile of art I owe other people. (Catch me at the right moment with a clever idea and I just might give in any way. Yes, I'm bad and do requests out of order based on how inspired I am.) Don't be afraid to contact me- I like meeting other fans.

-"Aren't Franky and Iceburg like adopted brothers though?"- My best guess is that most of you who thought of this are not fans of the couple. (I come in peace! So don't flame me for my opinions- I'm not forcing you to agree.) Maybe if they had met when they were younger or had ended up living with Tom at a younger age I would have viewed it more as a sibling love relationship, but by the time they first meet, both of them have had the experience of being raised by different families during most of their key developing childhood years, and it's more like two foster kids meeting. If Franky had started calling Iceburg "Nii-san" ("Brother") then I certainly wouldn't have seen it as a romance, but nothing of the sort happens. If you wonder, I do NOT like incest pairings.

-"Most people are only into the version of the couple when they're in their teens and twenties and not the funny looking older versions. What about you?"- I'm personally not nearly as disturbed as others are by the change to their appearances over the time lapse. In some ways Oda's strange (and awesome) style of art might have even drawn attention to features that became sort of silly looking, and I'll joke about it of course, but I'm just fine with art and stories about their later years. If you look through enough artists' adaptations of the characters in their own style, their changed features actually look much more natural. (Not that Franky will ever look entirely natural.) I find it sad actually, that people don't care for them as much when they're in their 30's.

-"Why don't you consider yourself a yaoi fan? Or for that matter, why do you not always refer to Franky and Iceburg as yaoi or slash when you talk about them?- Apparently there are a lot of strings attached to the title of "yaoi." If you call yourself a fan of it, people start assuming that you hate straight pairings for starters. Also, when you call a pairing slash or yaoi, many times people will assume that your motivations for liking it are purely "kinky" and without other reason. So they might not take it as seriously. As you've just read before, I'm not the type of person who likes putting people together only because "it's hot." If you'll understand, I hesitate to point to Franky and Iceburg and hollar "YAOI!" because the way I like them really isn't different from the way I like the straight couples I like. To me, the fact they're both guys isn't that big a deal.

-"Seme and uke? Who's who?"- My answer to that goes hand in hand with the previous question. I'm not so crazy about the strings attached to these titles. Plus, it's sort of weird seeing people obsess so much over the roles. I usually reply to this question by saying "I think they're equals."
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Comments: 79

straw-hat In reply to ??? [2009-01-19 23:40:27 +0000 UTC]

(You've memorized her name!) lol You can think a fangroup is crazy, but you can't destroy them. True for ours and true for all the others, even if they support a truly insane idea. I'm relieved there wasn't a fight. That always gets so ugly. Nobody really wins, at least not usually.

Alright. We'll start it before the strawhat's arrive and see if we can make it overlap with the cp9 events. (If needed, maybe their wedding is very casual and quick.)

I kind of wonder if their relationship shows to someone who doesn't even really know them yet, thanks to the cp9 climax. Like... would that suddenly be easy for one of the cp9 people to see that all along the person Iceburg loved was Franky? Or maybe when Robin witnesses the way they acted even individually she picks up on something. A really big, tough question: would any of the established characters be less likely to accept that they're not straight?

I'll reply to the email soon.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-01-21 15:04:04 +0000 UTC]

(I know! I can't believe it! ^^) It's so true; destroying a fangroup is nearly impossible. And your right, a fight would've just ended badly.

I think it's the best place to start. Then we wont have to worry about the little issues that could potentially ruin our story somewhere in the middle where it would be hard to fix.

We could make CP9 become more aware that there may be something going on between Franky and Iceburg based off of his declaration. As for the already established characters, I think it would more of a shock more than anything. To me, it seems like they wouldn't have a particularly hard time realizing that they both have those kinds of feelings for each other. Of course, some would be shocked more than most, I would expect. But it's all about determining which people would be the ones to overreact a little bit over it, yet still keeping them in character.

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-01-22 21:03:12 +0000 UTC]

Chances are, the characters more likely to overreact are the ones who would overreact to ther things a bit. lol Then again, there are different ways of expressing shock. We'll just have to keep in mind what way each one of them expresses that sort of emotion usually to any surprise. I think it would be amusing to put in a thought from at least one of the cp9 thinking "Oh so that's how it is." in whatever way is appropriate for them. The cp9 idea actually makes me think of how overly amused I am whenever Kaku says "Who would have thought there was such a connection between you." when they confirm who Franky is. Perhaps it's Kaku who later thinks or says something! If we wanted to portray it as a conversation they have, they might have time to talk about it on the train.

And I think when the marriage idea is presented to the public, Kokoro should be amused since she would already know.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-01-23 15:19:54 +0000 UTC]

That's a great point! I think we should definitely have the CP9 realize that there is a connection between Franky and Iceburg. And that part really does fit perfectly. I don't think anyone really close to Iceburg would freak out if he came out. The only one I could see having the most reaction is Paulie, but he has so much respect for Iceburg that it would probably just be shock to understanding.

Ah, good ol' Kokoro. That's a great idea, though, since she seems like the type who would've known for years and was just waiting for it.

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-01-24 00:09:32 +0000 UTC]

Okay, we'll put in a moment with the cp9 then.

It's sort of funny... Since so many people respect Iceburg, the chances they would turn away from him when finding out (anyone!) would be slim like you say. (Not to mention, we ought to write in something about at least one character thinking about how they can tell it before he even says something...) It's not very different from other examples when a respected person comes out. People are dumb about being homophobic so they might make a big deal out of it for a little while, but soon enough it leaves the spotlight. After all, they can't HATE him. I agree that I've always imagined Paulie being the most bug-eyed of those close to him. If any one in the story does show hatred, it would be a random citizen perhaps. (Or should I be saying "a person new to Water Seven who hasn't had the time to develop respect for Iceburg"?) Or at least somebody who would already view him in a negative way if there... is anybody... Trying to think of someone but failing at the moment.

The thing is, we'll want to show some sort of tension about the idea and/or his sexuality, right? So there's some sort of challenge? (And to reflect real life reactions a bit better.)

I'm sure Kokoro would be invited to witness the "grand finale." lol She definately would know all about it.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-01-26 16:27:54 +0000 UTC]

Yeah! Iceburg's just so revered and respected, that I doubt more people would be confused then angry. That's a good idea! Someone hinting at the point that Iceburg may have a thing for Franky. Hmm, but I wonder who it should be? We should try to keep it out of CP9 just for the fact that we'll make it known later that they know. Of course, if we really can't think of anybody, perhaps Kalifa would be a good choice just because she's with Iceburg all the time.

Definitely only the residents will show any kind of hate. Everyone close to him would, I think, take it much better just for the fact that they know him. And we don't to put anyone considerably out of character, which doing that might.

Haha! I can't think of anyone at the moment that really hates Iceburg. How could you? :3

Right, we should have Iceburg's inner conflict (his desire to want to come out, but not sure how it will go over) and the tension of the citizens to wonder if they should have him as their mayor anymore. Or something like that.

Absolutely!! Gotta invite Kokoro. She would come even if she wasn't invited, I think. XD

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-01-27 21:01:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure we could write a good lot about Kalifa's thoughts since she'd be stuck observing him for the mission from the first place. Someone else hinting at the point... I'm not sure either who it would be but maybe the choice would be more obvious when the story comes together.

It might even be funny among those who know him well revealing who had picked up on it before and who was totally oblivious. (I wouldn't be surprised if Paulie is the funny-shocked-oblivious one. )

Like I said, someone who barely knows any thing about Iceburg might be negative. Or... Maybe someone would say a negative thing despite not really HATING him since Iceburg is already a rival of sorts. Like... Okay, the only idea I have at this moment is this: some random guy from the Franky Family. They tend to get compared like slight rivals of Galley-la, so maybe one of them snickers and cracks a bad joke about Galley-la's boss... And then gets in a lot of trouble with Franky.

Iceburg's inner conflict might be tougher to take on than the outside world! But I'm sure Franky would support him if he gets the chance to contact him. It would be fun to write up Iceburg's conversation with Franky about his considering coming out. Do you think he'd start to seriously consider it after presenting the marriage idea or before? Considering that we're opening with him reflecting on the marriage rights, that part is at least revealed before he ever says something to the other characters.

Kokoro would be there no doubt about it. And probably Yokozuna too.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-02-05 16:34:13 +0000 UTC]

Kalifa would definitely have an inside, I'd think. Plus, it would be interesting if we could have a meeting between the CP9 agents and they could relate their points back and forth. Then, it wouldn't be such a giant mass of Paulie thought this, Kaku thought that, Lucci also thought that, but ... and so on and so forth.

Yes! Paulie is definitely the oblivious one! It's just so his character.

That's a great idea! If someone from the Franky Family happened to be the negative one, then it'd be a great conflict, as well as a terrific way of easing Franky into the story better. Plus, we could show his thoughts and feelings on the subject as well.

We definitely need to have a dialog that takes place between Franky and Iceburg and both their thoughts and feelings. Like Iceburg's conflict and Franky trying to convince him that it's ok. And, you know, of course they'd have a little argument followed by a kiss-and-make-up type of situation.

Aww, you can't have Franky and Iceburg getting married without good ol' Yokozuna!!

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-02-05 20:16:47 +0000 UTC]

Yes... I don't think we need to write a chapter for each person's thoughts. Maybe one or two of them will deserve a chapter worth of spotlight for all they have to say, but we don't have to do that with every single character. Conversations will work just fine.

Alright! We figured out how to bring Franky into the loop easily! He'll have to hold himself back from going too far if he's angry or he'll give things away!

Between the two Iceburg's mister worry. He would need Franky's help there. Of course they'd argue a bit and end up like that! When doesn't it? lol

lol I wonder if Chimney knows... or if she's had the talk about homosexuality yet.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-02-06 16:56:31 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that would be too much pointless conversation. I know I wouldn't really like to read a chapter dedicated to how everyone felt separately.

And it's the perfect way to bring Franky in!! XD Now, it won't be such an awkward introduction, and he'll be up to speed also. But, like you said, he'll definitely have to hold himself back from saying something he might not want to say. ^^

If Iceburg didn't have Franky's help, he'd probably rip all his hair out from doubt and worry. Every situation between those two is always an "Aww!" moment.

She seems like the type of girl who would be all up to speed on that type of stuff. Just to shock everyone else. XD

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-02-10 20:21:04 +0000 UTC]

Alright. We've got a basic idea of how the story is going to move along... We should start working on the first chapter soon!

lol Trying to picture how Franky will remember he shouldn't be overreacting before he's gone blind with rage a moment and caused a scene... Or maybe he comes awfully close and his family are confused. Awkward moment?

Yes. Worry. (*can feel P and G's eyes on me* Definately a worrier.) lol Even when they get mean to each other, it eventually leads to something sweet because they're too kind not to feel bad about it later!

I guess Chimney would know. Kokoro does come across as the type who would explain things if she wondered and Chimney seems pretty bright. "Ne, why is Franky singing love songs to Iceburg? ...Iceburg has a funny face!"

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-02-23 16:43:45 +0000 UTC]

All right!! Now I'm just waiting on your email to see exactly what we've come up with, and then we can piece everything together. Once I see the general outline, it shouldn't be too hard.

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-02-24 06:49:56 +0000 UTC]

I sent the outline to your email! I hope you can understand it alright.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-02-25 16:17:01 +0000 UTC]

I got it!! And I pretty much get it. I didn't realize that we came up with so many ideas. XD If you want, I can write out a rough first chapter and see how you like it.

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-02-26 03:01:57 +0000 UTC]

Our story might be several chapters long! XD That would be nice, at least the very beginning of it maybe? We'll have to figure out a good way to both be involved in the actual writing... Hm. It would be helpful for you to start though, since I'm busy inking CCI right now.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-03-02 03:14:30 +0000 UTC]

I'll just write out the basic first chapter. If there's anything you want to add or alter, it shall be done. It is going to be a group effort.

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-03-03 00:15:50 +0000 UTC]

Sounds good! This is where I wish you had some form of IM... but... we'll make it work either way.

( I hope I didn't say too much on that last reply I left on your journal entry. Nmahaha!)

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-03-03 02:19:15 +0000 UTC]

Well, I have a couple forms of IM. I have AIM, messenger, and gmail. If you've got any of those, they should work.

Haha!! XD It's a huge message, so I'm taking my time to get my words just right. ^^

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straw-hat In reply to thekingofqueens25 [2009-03-03 06:19:33 +0000 UTC]

I've got AIM. My ID is "maskedseishi" What's yours? Hopefully we'll manage to catch each other at some point... (lol Hurrying to check DA again while my comp isn't the tax machine for a moment...)

I got all worried after posting it because I realized I said something that sounds wrong in the very beginning of it. Where I said they should take down the art of the women if they're going to take down yours, I hope it didn't come across like I'm angry about lesbian depiction. Though I'm sure by now you know what I really mean when I say something.

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thekingofqueens25 In reply to straw-hat [2009-03-04 18:34:48 +0000 UTC]

Mine is blondi2560

Yes, I'm usually on all the time, but my connection likes to screw with me, and ... well, it's a fickle mistress. XD

Oh no!! You didn't offend me at all! I totally knew that you meant no harm by it! Haha! XD I'm just slow at responding to big replies, but you know that.

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obsessedovernothing In reply to ??? [2008-06-24 18:07:37 +0000 UTC]

That a good read. (: I'm not much for yaoi or yuri myself. The comics you drew that I pestered you to put on Da had definate yaoi vibes.

BTW....Wheres "Pretty"?

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straw-hat In reply to obsessedovernothing [2008-06-25 06:25:02 +0000 UTC]

I guess that's another way we think alike?

Pretty I'm waiting a little longer on- mostly because I wanted this to come out in the open first... Man! It almost feels like I pulled a skeleton out of the closet! It is strange when I'm not usually into yaoi, but this is one of my favorite pairings ever! Now I'm just plain freaked out about what my friends will think when I put things like "Pretty" up on DA!

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obsessedovernothing In reply to straw-hat [2008-06-25 18:06:37 +0000 UTC]

"......Gahhh....gahh...What the hell straw-hat!?!?!?" *Slapped*

I wouldn't worry about posting up anything like "Pretty." (: Chances are, your watchers will like it.

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straw-hat In reply to obsessedovernothing [2008-07-11 09:21:52 +0000 UTC]

Okay... What I've been calling "Pretty" is up as "Leila's Drag Meme- Iceburg"

LINK

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obsessedovernothing In reply to straw-hat [2008-07-19 22:08:57 +0000 UTC]

(:<

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LilyNeko In reply to ??? [2008-06-21 23:50:08 +0000 UTC]

Interesting. When I saw your couples list, I had a hunch you didn't like slash/yaoi. ( Not that it matters. I don't really care if anyone hated or liked slash. ) I kinda found it funny how you liked one slash couple in the end. xD

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straw-hat In reply to LilyNeko [2008-06-25 06:11:00 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU FOR READING IT! I wondered if any body actually would. Some people I know already just shrug their shoulders and don't mind either way what I might say/do, but uh... You could say I'm most worried about people that I know in person. I'm sure you understand what I mean.

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LilyNeko In reply to straw-hat [2008-06-26 04:10:17 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I definately know what you're saying. I have the same problem most of the time.

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