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Published: 2019-01-14 19:57:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 27852; Favourites: 188; Downloads: 0
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Description Now usually when i make a post talking about the JP franchise, I use the "dino asset-files" talking about how the dinosaurs of Isla Nublar/Sorna behave, how much of their genetic code was altered by Ingen Scientists, and how they compare to their original counterparts.
And more recently I've started showcasing "native animals" that used to/current reside on Isla Nublar/sorna.
But for this post, I've decided to try something very different...

Or rather, make another return of something special....
in other words, it's time for another session of
JP QUESTIONS/WHAT IF!
where you can submit questions about the JP/JW FRANCHISE that I can try to answer in the best way I can....(depending on the complexity of the question)
(Note-These charts will not be as common as the asset files/native animal "files", as I would need to think about how to structure an answer to said question.)

and for this post, I've decided to go a little ambitious here and make a bit of speculation/"prediction" of what might occur in these next few years
How the might adapt to their new home, how they might interact with humans/native wildlife and most importantly, just how far, some species might be able to migrate.

I'd call this JURASSIC AFTERMATH: POSSIBLE MIGRATION PATHS (PART 1 NORTH AMERICA)

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MAINLY JUST FOR FUN SPECULATION....
Obviously, since the next instalment/chapter in this story is not due to arrive for quite a long while, there is no certainty on how this migration might go specifically Not to mention, (as some people have pointed out) there are SEVERAL factors that could likely effect the outcome in many varying ways, whether they be hunting/capturing the creatures, the circumstances of genetic power or some other story-related element that we have yet to see. Point is, what you are seeing here is just one possibility that might occur from June of 2018 to the June of 2021, and I’m just using the “worse case” scenario as just a rough basis of what to consider when speculating what could happen...

now, this chart I've been working on for a long while, simply because a LOT of factors had to be addressed, it involved a LOT of different creatures and it involved several different environments....but before we get into it, let me just explain what it even is.

you see, after I saw fallen kingdom, I was really happy with how the ending was basically setting up a "paradigm shift"
how we were now heading into a world where humans and dinosaurs now have to coexist....
how the infamous "genetic power" that had brought them back had now become WIDELY open source, allowing ANY genetics-company the ability to make a dinosaur.
how the consequences of what happened over 30 years ago are FINALLY being put into play.
(this awesome aspect about where the story's headed inspired people like me and FieryCarnotaurus to come up with our own little little hobby-projects

mine being the "jurassic aftermath" series/mini-contests- www.deviantart.com/taliesaurus…
and FieryCarnotaurus with his "New Era" pictures-www.deviantart.com/fierycarnot… )

And i also loved how the story also left us with nearly HALF of the "saved" dinosaurs escaping the lockwood manor and stampeding into the dense woodlands and mountain wilderness
and I did double takes on those scene, trying my best to get a rough gauge of just how many there were.
From what I can gather, the ones that stampeded out of the lockwood estate include the following:
-one Tyrannosaurus rex (Rexy)
-one "IBRIS-raptor" (Blue)
-five triceratopses (six if you include a baby trike)
-at least two or three apatosaurus (maybe more if there are infants)
-at least four or seven parasaurs
-somewhere between fourteen or twenty-five compies (very likely more than that)
-at least Four or five stygmoloch
-somewhere between sixteen or twenty gallimimus
-two or four carnotaurus
-at least five stegosaurus
-at least four or six ankylosaurus
-at least three or four allosaurus
-at least four sinoceratops
-at least three or two baryonyx
-at least three captured pteranodon
-and at least two subadult nasutoceratops that we know of (the origin of which is still pending)

and while there ARE indeed the limiting factors to consider, like military groups (sent by either the government or rival genetics-companies similar to biosyn) sent to kill or more likely capture several dinosaurs, I'd thought it'd be fun to consider what one of the "worse case scenarios" could be.
Like if
1-action was taken too late (because nobody instantly believes dinosaurs were on the mainland),
or

2-if nobody who was sent to hunt the dinosaurs has ANY IDEA of just HOW MANY there are because there are no useful tracking devices to find the dinosaurs with and that there's MANY places that especially the small dinosaurs could hide.

both of which are ENTIRELY possible.
in fact, Shinobi-03 made a few good videos that kinda address this idea.
here's links to them if you want to have a look.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkSLU9…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9vb3L…

but if you don't feel like it then allow me to explain my favourite points that he makes.
points from the video: "Fallen Kingdom Explained: Dinosaurs Free on Earth? + Bonus"

it may be no surprise that the bigger dinosaurs are slightly easier to spot and to contain, but on the other hand... there are indeed factors to consider that may make the "rounding up" a lot more difficult than it may initially seem so some people.

FIRST MAJOR FACTOR: The circumstances of their escape.
ALL the dinosaurs were released IN THE MIDDLE of the night, into a VAST area filled with dense woodlands, lakes and mountains, an environment that is fairly easy to hide in, unless certain curious individuals venture to close to urban areas.

and many of them were prefer to stay in the habitats they are most familiar with, regrouping into herds, feasting on the vegetation/local fauna and even beginning to breed again
(but i'll get to that in a bit)

SECOND MAJOR FACTOR: the authorities were completely obvious to the event when it occurred.
None of the characters (so far as we know) had called or addressed the authoitites to alert them about the situation.
and its EXTREMELY unlikely that any of the auction dealers/attendees told anybody, unless they were willing to confess to having been a part of a black-market.
That means, not only might it have been hours, days, weeks or even A FULL MONTH (or two) until the first random civilian encounter out in the woods...
but we can also easily assume that the majority of the police didn't take these calls seriously, thinking that might be prank-calls/hoaxs.
and just to clarify, YES its a world where JW is public knowledge, but even in that world, NOBODY is going to believe that SO many dinosaurs are on the mainland THAT quickly.
ESPECIALLY after the news of mount Sibo erupting, and destroying/killing all that was left on the island. (minus maybe the pteranodon)
point is, to 95% of the public at that point in time, the dinosaurs are pretty much extinct again!
And just to add to that point, WE ALL know how easy it is to fake videos and photos on social media, so it would be perfectly normal if man people (at first) didn't believe that dinosaurs were actually on the mainland. Maybe for a very short bit of time, they might associate these sightings with those of "bigfoot" or "wendigo".
some might assume that the "observer" was mourning the death of the dinosaurs and were "holding out hope" in their muddled imagination.
and some might brush it off as just local animals exaggerated and distorted to look like dinosaurs.
unless somebody got a CLEAR visual on a dinosaur, (and I mean REALLY clear) and filmed it with a good camera.
or if it was somebody who knew what they were looking at (like a wildlife photographer etc) then they might start to believe that there's more than just one or two in the wild.

meaning that even if, by the time dinosaurs on the mainland become public knowledge, it might already be too late to locate them all and "round them up"
example: from one movie prior, you had the indominus rex, who was INCREDIBLY difficult to locate, because she didn't have her tracking implant (and this is without mentioning her camouflage abilities) eventually they resorted to tracking her by the smelling sense of another dinosaur and bare in mind, THAT WAS A VERY SMALL JUNGLE on an island that's merely 22 square miles large. The wilderness of north America (including the vast forests, and mountain scapes) are FAR MORE difficult than that. and though SOME of the dinosaurs still have their tracking implants, they are pretty much rendered USELESS at this point (due to being both out of range of the island and the facilities made for tracking them being DESTROYED by the volcano)

THIRD MAJOR FACTOR: THEY CAN BREED! (there might be MORE than the expected number)
what I mean is that whilst large dinosaurs that came in singles (like rexy) are relatively easy to capture/contain, the REAL dilemma comes from those species who came in groups.
especially the VERY small and very hard to notice ones like the compsognathus. Put it this way, the tyrannosaurus rex is VERY easy to locate and capture.
the bigger problem comes from (ironically) the smallest dinosaurs, as many of them are too small to catch and came to the mainland in multiple groups (likely far more than what we saw on screen) and given their ability to change sex like reed frogs and reproduce, then they'd easily be able to breed into large numbers, leading to a very big infestation and a real invasive species, just like how they were in the novel.

and it's not just limited to the VERY small dinosaurs as ALL ingen dinosaurs have that ability to reproduce (colin trevorow even conformed it)
including the medium to large dinosaurs, as seen by the baby triceratops in the movie (if anybody trying to say it came from the petting zoo, it's clearly too young to have been born during 2015, which was a full three years before we see it, meaning it very much was born in the wild)

and many of these dinosaurs (specically the herbivores) can reproduce with multiple individuals and have multiple clutches/nests and in these nests, depending on the species there can a LOT of hatchlings that thanks to their small size, could easily hide from detection, unlike their parents.

this can be very true for such dinosaurs like the apatosaurus.
as from fossil records, we find that though they aren’t exactly the best at caring for their young, they used a very turtle-like method of laying as many eggs as they could whilst at the same time dividing them into multiple clutches scattered around well hidden parts of the wilderness.
this mean that, in theory, you might have one apatosaurus be the mother to 50 or maybe 100 babies at a time, carefully concealing them in the deepest parts of the forest, for them to hatch out, and then begin to feast on the local vegetation, grouping together for protection. and whilst a few might die to local predators, diease, or other things, those babies could eventually grow large enough to form their own herd, not have to fear anything and then have babies of their own. (this is made all the more interesting, given that ingen gave their assets an accreted growth rate as to be more “park appealing”. giving the dinosaurs a slight advantage along with the sex-change thing.)

and all of this is without considering the faint possibility of something called
PARTHENOGENESIS
which basically is an scary option for female animals to reproduce without needing a mate. (komodo dragons can reproduce both sexually and asexually)
it’s unlikely that any of the ingen dinosaur have that ability, but it’s still a scary idea to consider.
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with ALL these factors put into place...
I then constructed this complex chart showing all the possible ways in which these dinosaurs might spread out over the north american continent
with as few limiting factors as possible. (not that there aren't people trying to film/hunt/capture/kill them but this just talking hypothetically.)

I was thinking about doing how each indidvual species would adapt to the new environment on their own but after a while I just felt UTTERLY exhausted.
so I carefully used this chart to show the rough direction I could imagine the dinosaurs going...
I added in their initial population (based partially on the rough estimate I made of those that escaped)
I then used the fossil record to get an idea of how many eggs each type of dinosaur would lay per clutch.

and as you can see, aside from th pteranodons, I kinda predict the compys having the BIGGEST impact.

I hope you lot appreciate it
and also...

QUESTION:based on this idea, how could you imagine these animals adapting to their new environment?
How might they cope with the winters....
and what kind of strange "jurassic aftermath" scenarios might you lot be able to think up with this?
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Comments: 196

Taliesaurus In reply to ??? [2019-01-15 16:01:56 +0000 UTC]

maybe.

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Taliesaurus In reply to ??? [2019-01-15 09:41:26 +0000 UTC]

maybe but larger dinosaurs won't have their problem as much as smaller ones.
(besides global warming has caused a few effects LOL)

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Charlie2210 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-15 11:11:48 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes, I forgot that.

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Taliesaurus In reply to Charlie2210 [2019-01-15 11:17:28 +0000 UTC]

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 23:29:19 +0000 UTC]

Very good. My only criticism is that Colin Trevorrow hinted at other species being saved. Again though very good!

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-14 23:30:01 +0000 UTC]

1-true though I'm just being careful.

2- what do you like about this?

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:32:05 +0000 UTC]

I particularly find the numbers of eggs they lay to be helpful.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-14 23:32:37 +0000 UTC]

indeed and how's the idea I put about where they might migrate to?

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:36:09 +0000 UTC]

I especially find the compie migration route to be accurate.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-14 23:37:05 +0000 UTC]

how so?
(just like to know your reasoning.)

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:38:23 +0000 UTC]

I imagine Compsognathus breeding like rats.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-14 23:40:58 +0000 UTC]

oh.

well how could you imagine this situation?
like simply imagine how difficult it would be to control the spread of them

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:44:40 +0000 UTC]

I imagine in a few years some of the populations would be bigger than they were on nublar. Obviously with more room there’s gonna be more room for them to breed.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-14 23:59:24 +0000 UTC]

indeed and a lot less competion

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-15 00:04:03 +0000 UTC]

For example Baryonyx thrive on fish while other large predators it encounters could thrive off of other things.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-15 00:08:50 +0000 UTC]

indeed or eat bears.

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-15 00:13:17 +0000 UTC]

Seeing as it is bigger than a bear, it surely wouldn’t have a challenge.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-15 00:16:00 +0000 UTC]

indeed

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FieryCarnotaurus In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-15 00:19:41 +0000 UTC]

And I’d imagine the native animals are going to be the first things carnivores would look at when they’re hungry.

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Taliesaurus In reply to FieryCarnotaurus [2019-01-15 01:16:24 +0000 UTC]

indeed

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TyrantGojira In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 23:25:40 +0000 UTC]

If any of these guys even start a small breeding population, it could be devastating to the local ecosystem.

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Taliesaurus In reply to TyrantGojira [2019-01-14 23:29:21 +0000 UTC]

indeed. especially the compys

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Indominus987 In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 23:15:39 +0000 UTC]

I can't wait to see what dinosaurs came to Brazil

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Taliesaurus In reply to Indominus987 [2019-01-14 23:29:02 +0000 UTC]

any ideas?

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Indominus987 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:42:47 +0000 UTC]

Well maybe some Suchominus and Baryonyx, it i picture Brazil would be a good inveroment for them, some Pteranodons and wasn't South America were Carnos lived?

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Taliesaurus In reply to Indominus987 [2019-01-14 23:59:08 +0000 UTC]

well such is extinct right now....
awkward.

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ToonHolt In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 22:04:35 +0000 UTC]

This is a neat little idea.

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Taliesaurus In reply to ToonHolt [2019-01-14 22:04:52 +0000 UTC]

how so?
what do you like about it?

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ToonHolt In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 22:28:56 +0000 UTC]

well, after the escape of Lockwood Manor...the idea of dinosaurs are now adapting into the new world and since these dinosaurs and other possible creatures or plant life (like from zoos they would likely break into like Rexy did in the lion pen) are now integrating and successfully adapting to new environments and landscapes. Completely changing the entire ecosystem and recreating a whole new one.

And since we're on the topic of migration and integration, i also had a similar idea from your Possible Migration Path idea but with something different, Jurassic World: Dinos of the West , just a 'what if' scenario that all... 

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Taliesaurus In reply to ToonHolt [2019-01-14 22:48:08 +0000 UTC]

intriguing.

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Johnology In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 21:35:55 +0000 UTC]

With enough time the larger dinosaurs could probably be hunted down or captured.
My biggest issue, however, is that the dinosaurs probably lack much genetic diversity, and thus might suffer from inbreeding over time.

Although seeing as how in real life the Black Robin (Petroica traversi) was saved from extinction with just 5 individuals left (and just 1 female), I guess they might be able to keep a stable population.

They'd probably also be limited to warmer areas in the winter, due to literally none of them, unlike their extinct relatives, having feathers/other body filaments or blubber to keep them warm, and having DNA from exothermic (cold-blooded) animals like lizards and frogs might limit them in that way as well.

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Taliesaurus In reply to Johnology [2019-01-14 21:43:56 +0000 UTC]

1- sorta but not quite...
in the best (or "worst" for humans) case then NONE of the ones they brought over to the mainland are directly related to each other.
not to mention that some might be "helped" by the actions of rival genetic companies.

2- yeah not to mention that most humans that came out of africa are descended from one SMALL tribe and one ancestral "mother".
besides inbreeding does happen oaccsionaly in nature.
but it's only when it's done OVER AND OVER again, do genetic problem build up;

3- correction, the ONLY thing they are missing is feathers, look at sino, she is CHUBBY.
and besides, it's made very clear that most of ingen's dinosaurs are warm-blooded.

and besides, as henry Wu confirmed, a large chunk of them (like blue)
are "homotherimic" able to hold their temperature at a 91

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Johnology In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 22:02:03 +0000 UTC]

True...

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Taliesaurus In reply to Johnology [2019-01-14 22:04:35 +0000 UTC]

indeed

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Sombraptor In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 21:12:57 +0000 UTC]

I'm thinking Lockwood Manor must be relatively close to Oakland. I couldn't find many zoos in northern California with lions, and even fewer that aren't in the middle of an urban/suburban area. Looking at Google Earth, Oakland's zoo is nearly on the edge of a forest, so that's my best guess on where Rexy emerged at the very end of FK.

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Nintendians In reply to Sombraptor [2019-01-15 19:38:26 +0000 UTC]

lol, well i guess all amercian sports that have oakland as a team, would have 1 less team after fallen kingdom's time line.

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Taliesaurus In reply to Sombraptor [2019-01-14 21:15:44 +0000 UTC]

very likely.

and who know, it might have taken hours, days or weeks for her to do that.

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animalman57 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 21:44:41 +0000 UTC]

Good Idea.

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Taliesaurus In reply to animalman57 [2019-01-14 21:46:16 +0000 UTC]

indeed
after all, the progluge takes place just a few months after JW fell, so you get the idea. maybe the epilogue shows us some of the ting happening in the following weeks after the lockwood estate.

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animalman57 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 21:50:13 +0000 UTC]

Well, I mean the whole Oakland idea, but yeah.

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Taliesaurus In reply to animalman57 [2019-01-14 21:53:03 +0000 UTC]

oh sorry.

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Vader2222 In reply to ??? [2019-01-14 21:10:06 +0000 UTC]

 Yo sup. It’s been sometime since the last time we chat. How are things?

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Taliesaurus In reply to Vader2222 [2019-01-14 21:14:36 +0000 UTC]

1-fine thanks.
how are you?

2- if it's ok to ask, how's this chart?

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Vader2222 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 21:22:48 +0000 UTC]

 The phone thought experiment.  I very much doubt they’ll put that much thought into it.  But hey that’s why were here!

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Taliesaurus In reply to Vader2222 [2019-01-14 21:25:34 +0000 UTC]

huh?

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Vader2222 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 22:11:59 +0000 UTC]

Shit. I swear to god autocorrect is going to drive me crazy one day.

 I’m saying it’s a fun idea.  It looks good 

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Taliesaurus In reply to Vader2222 [2019-01-14 22:18:45 +0000 UTC]

ok....

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Vader2222 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 22:29:55 +0000 UTC]

 ok

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Taliesaurus In reply to Vader2222 [2019-01-14 22:46:45 +0000 UTC]

lol

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Vader2222 In reply to Taliesaurus [2019-01-14 23:53:51 +0000 UTC]

 

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