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Pete says he no longer shoots up to get high anymore, he shoots up just to feel normal.Thank you so much to and
for getting this a DD. It's always such an honour.
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Comments: 128
jtgsclik [2011-02-10 09:59:20 +0000 UTC]
The artist is not promoting drug use and it is not the artist or the man in the photo's fault if you go out and shoot up heroin. This is ART (wonderfully, fascinating albeit disturbing art Talkingdrum! Very well done.) and if you cant handle that perhaps you shouldnt be looking up things about heroin.
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Talkingdrum In reply to jtgsclik [2011-02-15 00:54:32 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much and for your support.
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Rosary0fSighs [2010-10-06 16:16:23 +0000 UTC]
such a powerful, upsetting photo. the newspaper headline adds to the sense of hopelessness
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carvingbackbone [2010-10-05 13:43:10 +0000 UTC]
i hate that REAL self harm isn't allowed on dA -- picture of REAL blood, etc.
but photos like this that aren't staged and are MORE self-harm than cutting? that this man (or any heroin addict could die from that VERY shot, vs. no chance of *death* from cutting) and this is allowed.
i'm a heroin addict.
i'm 26 days clean.
and it's appalling that my eyes could be allowed to see the REAL thing on dA when other "real self-harm" is prohibited.
just as cutting or pro-ana photos are triggering to suffering; seeing this (as an ADDICT) makes ME want to use. seeing the horrors of this makes non-users sad; for addicts?? it only makes them what to use.
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Talkingdrum In reply to carvingbackbone [2010-10-05 15:18:20 +0000 UTC]
I am in agreement with you about censorship, but I'm not sure it's fair that I should be your target re your frustration that "cutting" and "REAL blood etc" is not allowed on DA. I don't make the rules, I'm just a guy photographing the things around me.
Congratulations on being 28 days clean, I mean it sincerely and having witnessed much addiction in my life I really hope you can stay on that path.
You say that "it's appalling that my eyes could be allowed to see the REAL thing on dA when other "real self-harm" is prohibited." What are you saying? That your eyes wouldn't be appalled if you were allowed to see "other "real self-harm""? I don't understand that argument at all. You come across as being someone who has been thwarted in their attempts at showing their own images of self harm or someone who just likes looking at other people self harming ("i hate that REAL self harm isn't allowed on dA -- picture of REAL blood, etc.")
If "cutting or pro-ana photos are triggering to suffering" as you say, why is it that you want to have them displayed on DA as you clearly say you do?
I could be unkind and say that your comment is utterly riddled with hypocrisy but I believe in making allowances for people, everyone has a reason for behaving the way they do.
Good luck with the clean lifestyle and may you find peace.
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carvingbackbone In reply to Talkingdrum [2010-10-05 21:26:16 +0000 UTC]
no, no; that's not at all what i'd meant.
i meant that real self-harm and pro-ana etc is prohibited on dA because it's triggering to people -- and i whole-heartedly AGREE with that policy. i would never WANT those images on dA.
and i felt that this should be made to follow the same policy. that this is also terribly triggering and destructive so should also be forbidden to be seen.
i have never and would never post something 'real' in my own photography, so that's not at all where i was coming from.
i was merely angered that real self harm and proama aren't allowed (for GOOD reason), but this one was and even honoured for it. it should be monitored and limited for the very safe reasons the others are monitored and forbidden.
some other photographer could walk in on someone cutting themselves trying to document the struggle and it'd immediately be taking away (as it should be), but this is under the same premises (but only worse) and allowed. i say it's only worse, because that man could've died from that very shot in his hand. (trust me, i know. i've fallen out and OD'd on a very very small amount compared to what i'd usually do .. so NO shot is safe, no matter how little or what your tolerance.
so, by the same reason and policy that they others aren't allowed, i feel this should follow suit. NOT that the other SHOULD EVER been allowed, but if one's prohibited for good reason, the same god reason should prohibit this; that's all.
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Talkingdrum In reply to carvingbackbone [2010-10-05 23:23:31 +0000 UTC]
I do not agree with your argument that this is "triggering". Maybe I could have a pole and see how many people, after seeing this image feel the urge to reduce themselves to this state. You mean it is triggering to YOU. Why are you looking at these images. The on entitled "Heroin Addict", you saw the title and opened it anyway, OMG it's a heroin addict!
I understand that your trying to clean yourself up and I have know enough heroin users to know how difficult that is but at the end of the day you have to take responsibility for your own actions. Lets just say after seeing these images you used again. Would you really think that the reason your back on heroin is because you saw a picture on DA? That would be just abdicating your responsibility for your actions. If your trying to get off heroin then I would imagine there are hundreds of triggers you are going to have to learn to cope with.
On the wider issue, if we should be protecting society at large from images that may make stir them and make them stray should we ban pictures of children lest some pedophile trying to go straight gets turned on and goes out and molests a child....."but the picture of the little girl with the balloon on DA made me do it".
There is a constant debate about whether the media affects behavior or just reflects it. I am of the believe that it is a reflection. We live in a violent society not because we see violence on tv, we see violence on tv because we live in a violent society. Heavy metal music makes pubescent boys aggressive and deranged and shoot up high schools. No it doesn't, deranged pubescent boys just happen to be aggressive and like heavy metal music. Violent video games will make children go out and torture innocent animals. No they won't, kids that like to torture animals also like playing violent video games.
People that see images of other people cutting themselves up will want to go and cut themselves up too. NO THEY WON'T!. People that like cutting themselves like looking at other people cut themselves, the rest of us are going "OOOOHH! THAT'S SO GROSS!!!"
I said in an earlier comment that this image is not supposed to be some high minded crusade that will change the world, it's just a picture of someone I happen to know going about his daily routine. I do know one thing though and that is that nobody is going to look at this picture and go out and shoot up who wasn't GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY! There aren't any addicts because of this picture, there is this picture because there are addicts.
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steppeland [2010-09-23 11:01:28 +0000 UTC]
Great photo - big concern! Congrats on your DD!
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ThisBonelessOne [2010-09-20 21:49:26 +0000 UTC]
Wow...so powerful.
I lived on Skiddrow in Vancouver, if you haven't heard of it I highly recommend that you search it up.
I seen this daily in the alleys, on the streets, in the corners, in the room next to mine,
It is hell for everybody. I was lucky I didn't get pulled into that life (sort of) so I do wish the best of luck to the subject of this photo.
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Talkingdrum In reply to ThisBonelessOne [2010-09-20 23:44:10 +0000 UTC]
There is an underside to life that most people don't get to see.
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Artistic-dribbles [2010-09-18 06:17:53 +0000 UTC]
So sad, I have known a couple junkies and its true.. it ends up becoming a necessity just to be able to function. wish he could get some help, detox is torture I've heard. with the severe withdrawals.
amazing photo.
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Talkingdrum In reply to Artistic-dribbles [2010-09-19 22:21:37 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. He is seeking help but I think it's a long hard battle.
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shrieks [2010-09-18 06:03:53 +0000 UTC]
A beautifully saddening shot, it gets the message across clearly and the fact that he has done this many times before can be seen on his arm. The lighting and everything caught so many details that reveal so much about him that this is really an awe-inspiring piece.
Plus, the biggest effect that this photo has is that so many people could relate to how painful this is. It's not just something made to please someone aesthetically but has meaning behind. It is cold, hard reality. This picture definitely deserved this feature.
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R-a-z-z [2010-09-18 05:37:41 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely no light in his eyes. Utterly bonechilling. It's really hard to look at I hope he can rid himself of this selfdestruction.
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grimjack-13 [2010-09-18 04:36:04 +0000 UTC]
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but I thought it was interesting that the word "COST" was captured in the folds of the shirt. The βCOSTβ of narcotic addiction could be reflected on many levels; financial, moral personal, society, literal, criminal, mental, emotional, culture, artistic, etc. The end result will be fatal (the final cost), I guess. Judging by state of the arms and his statement that he is shooting up to feel normal, he is starting to burn out.
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Talkingdrum In reply to grimjack-13 [2010-09-19 22:12:01 +0000 UTC]
I hadn't noticed and it certainly wasn't intentional but now you point it out so very apt. In one of the other pictures you can quite clearly read the headline on the newspaper on which he had been preparing his gear and it's about a mother being jailed. Someone else spotted that and asked me if that was intentional. It's amazing how sharp eyed some people are and spot these references that are purely coincidental.
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HI-REZ95 [2010-09-18 01:51:29 +0000 UTC]
Yeah! Heroine!
No , im just kidding, this is very powerful and revealing.
Think about that party or whateve'a and the person who offered..just say no..
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sleepingcesare [2010-09-18 01:11:28 +0000 UTC]
all three are quite stunning, but i feel awkward saying that because of the REALITY of the subject. the fact that none of them aren't posed in anyway is painfully beautiful.
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Talkingdrum In reply to sleepingcesare [2010-09-19 22:03:20 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, it was a difficult thing to photograph.
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jaydoncabe [2010-09-18 00:52:31 +0000 UTC]
Very sad. Hope he finds a way out back to Normality without the need to shot up soon
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Talkingdrum In reply to jaydoncabe [2010-09-19 22:02:31 +0000 UTC]
I've know a number of addicts. Heroin in particular seems to be a difficult one to kick and to remain clean.
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BabyCalvary [2010-09-18 00:47:33 +0000 UTC]
This hurt. But everyone needs to see what this world really consists of.
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ArtByCher [2010-09-17 22:41:46 +0000 UTC]
This is hardcore reality. This piece of work means something and is absolutely deserving of a DD. I saw a comment on one of the other photograph's where you defended yourself on this subject. Kudo's to you and absolutely agree!
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smilewithlove [2010-09-17 21:08:23 +0000 UTC]
the expression is heartbreaking. thank you for presenting this to the community
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Talkingdrum In reply to smilewithlove [2010-09-19 22:00:05 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for taking the time to look.
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NinjaSaus [2010-09-17 20:51:51 +0000 UTC]
Thought DA had rules against showing drugs and such.
I guess not.
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Talkingdrum In reply to NinjaSaus [2010-09-19 21:59:40 +0000 UTC]
Can't find any reference to drugs in the DA policies.
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makisstyle In reply to NinjaSaus [2010-09-18 02:20:22 +0000 UTC]
this picture isn't promoting the use of drugs
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NinjaSaus In reply to makisstyle [2010-09-18 02:47:50 +0000 UTC]
Still he's taking a shot?
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makisstyle In reply to NinjaSaus [2010-09-18 16:59:49 +0000 UTC]
this picture is more or less saying that certain drugs can and will fuck you up. heroine fucked this guy up, and thats what the picture is about.
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AzulaIsMyKitten [2010-09-17 19:40:30 +0000 UTC]
I was trying to discern if it was a picture or a drawing! I can't believe people have such talent and detail orientation to make such a picture
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NineteenBrokenSmiles [2010-09-17 19:00:00 +0000 UTC]
Disturbing image. Makes you look at reality in face and it's hard to stand. Thanks for putting it in front of our eyes.
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Talkingdrum In reply to NineteenBrokenSmiles [2010-09-19 21:58:34 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for taking the time to look.
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tonykabuto [2010-09-17 18:21:55 +0000 UTC]
man, i don't know how you have the heart to see that, even shot it... and i don't mean to offend you, you need to have a great corage to be there and not break your heart at sight... i can barely see it here... that's so damn sad...
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