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GarudaX In reply to ??? [2010-05-20 02:03:27 +0000 UTC]

Most natives were nomadic, and treated the land not as their property, but as everyone's land. Some of the natives were nice to the settlers. Obviously they were killed. Then there were natives like the Blackfoot natives (Who were my ancestors) who didn't want them around, so THEY drove off some of the settlers.

Yup. In the 1800s the frontiersmen who were settling the west KILLED the buffalo for sport. They would literally pull out their six shooters from inside train cars and shoot them as they passed, leaving the dead carcass there to rot. There were so many buffalo living in USA, now they are an endagered species. I went to the Grand Canyon and saw two buffalo. The park ranger informed my family that those were the only two buffalo living in Nevada! Isn't that horrible?

Well I don't want to be like that... The only thing I care about are the people I like as friends.

Hmm. Maybe I should some of this down. I'll think of something. What do you got?

Yeah but who could fill that position?

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TarriPup In reply to GarudaX [2010-05-20 21:11:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeah.. that's really how it should be done!
I mean, if everyone owned land, then you couldn't GO anywhere except along routes people TELL you to go on (aka roads).
Heh.. so some natives were nice to the settlers, and for their hospitality and kindness, the settlers killed them.
Wonderful.
Oooo? THAT IS SOOO NEATO!! Lol I would love to have met your ancestors!
Y'know, if they had some kind of tactical advantage, the Native Americans might have been able to hold off the evil invaders, or at the very least been able to keep some wild countryside and their culture, without interference.. like some kind of understanding deal or something...
*tries to find Blackfoot Natives on wikipedia*

That is absolutely SICK. Even now I don't condone hunting for sport!! Hunting I don't have a problem with, but only if it's for practical reasons, as in food.
I can't imagine any other reason for hunting - hunting just for the fun of it is a great way to waste valuable resources anyways.

Me too. The one thing I've learned to value are the people I care about over anything else.
Because let's face it - the moment we are alone, it's the moment we are scared, sad, and lonely, and would do ANYTHING for a kind word. I bet someone with millions of dollars would GIVE a million dollars just for a moment of being with someone.. if they were alone for such a long time.
Plus loneliness would breed insanity.. oops! I'm already insane!

I haven't found the list, nor have a new one yet.. have you got something so far?

Hmm.. Well I would nominate myself.. but that sounds like I'm making a grab for power!
But in all honesty, I know where I want it to go and stuff, hence why I suggest myself..
But like I said, it wouldn't BE a postion of power. More like a guide.. other than leading people into creating this new place, I would just be like everyone else.
Maybe sorta like a chief. They led their people, but didn't really command much power, did they?

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GarudaX In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-20 21:26:43 +0000 UTC]

Tarri you do realise if there was no organization of land it would pure anarchy right?

Yes...killed....Or put on a reservation and were promised lots of stuff. Then they lied to the natives and forced them off the reservations too. And do you know why they did that? One word....gold. There was gold on the reservations they were on, so they were kicked off. Soem natives fought back...They lost...Settlers got their damn gold...Environment gets screwed over....the end...

The Blackfoot attacted the setteles because their religious prophecy dictated that a foreign menace would come from across the great water, and would ruin everything they had. So obviously they had to do something. I kinda makes me proud to have ancestors that were cool like that. And so accepting of nudity...That too.

Yeah, same here. Alaska is legalizing the hunting of grey wolves up in order to stop the destruction of their resources or something. But I still don't like the idea of killing wolves...I have hard time believing they are the cause of it.

I don't want to be alone. It's a feeling that is worse than being made fun of.

I forgot...Why are we making a list?

To be honest I was going to nominate you...
But you have a point, if anyone had even a sligh taste of power, it would consume them. Hence why I feel I shouldn't have so much money right?
Very true.

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TarriPup In reply to GarudaX [2010-05-20 22:53:19 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I do realise that. Some foundations do have to be laid.. but I mean I just don't think it's right that so much of the land is under ownership of people - I think alot of land should be left for everyone.
But everyone uses and owns every square inch they can.. people are too greedy.
I mean, okay, if I say had millions of dollars and bought an island, I would own that land. But then I envisioned that everyone could explore it, y'know?
And you could go anywhere on it.. like as if no one owned it, even though technically it would belong to me.
Does that make sense?

Yeah. The settlers might have been more culturally and technologically advanced, but they certainly weren't wise. And they were the immature race that took what they wanted at any cost without caring.
It's like saying if I walked into your room, saw your stuff, and said it was mine and just took it. That's EXACTLY how it worked for the settlers.
The settlers were thieves, and most places are built on a foundation of crime.
Haha.. the very basis of our civilisation, which decrees to be morally righteous to everyone and everyone to be morally righteous - is a total hypocritical sham.

Heee.. so they knew something in advance. It makes you wonder, really.. because there are things throughout history that come true that were foretold..
And I have dreams that come true, and at times get certain feelings about upcoming periods in time.
August 2007 - something big and life-changing was to happen, I could feel it the entire year. And at the end of August 2007, my grandfather died.. and I had many dreams where he wasn't present, when given the scenario of the dreams, he should have.
I DO have a feeling about the year 2012. This was before I found out it was the end of the mayan calender and it's supposedly supposed to be the end of the world/rebirth of the world.
Settlers put civilisations like that (of the mayans, etc) as inferior etc.. but you just have to wonder..
It's another potential thing that could happen, and I for one am keeping my eyes open for it.
(I'm actually expecting something big to happen in 2012)
It also says the world will end in fire... but that can mean many things. War maybe? I don't believe that.. maybe something to do with the Sun.
Maybe it's when the magnetic field weakens significantly, when the north and south poles switch, so that north will be south and south will be north - it IS due to happen again very soon, and scientist think that a magnetic anomaly in.. I think it was the Atlantic?.. is a sign it will happen anytime now..

Anyways where was I?
Yeah it sounds really awesome that you have ancestors like that.. actually kinda makes me proud to know you!
I kinda have this thought that if we went back in time, we could go find them..
Lol.. haha, so if you lived back then, with your ancestors, would you just go fully naked around the place?

Huh? What resources are these wolves supposedly destroying??
To me.. I kinda see wolves as sacred creatures of sorts..

I know.. when you are being made fun of, you are at the least getting acknowledgement of your existence by others..

Oh.. the list is to see what YOU would have and not have in this new nation/civilisation, and how things would be, what would be seen as okay and what wouldn't be okay, etc.
To borrow from thoughts we talked about the other day... for example:
Nudity would be acceptable. Or would there be nudity and no clothes? Or would there be nudity, but maybe some decorative accessories be worn? (Which would you do?)
And just the other day: sex.
Would sex be looked down upon if done in public, and should be only for private? Or would sex in public be okay? (Which would you do?)
Etc.

Lol I figured you would!
Though actually I would ask you for what you think too.. you seem to have some valuable knowledge! It could help set the whole thing up!
Yeah.. you CAN be above that though, to have power and not let it consume you. But it's rare to have someone like that - and when you DO have someone like that, chances are they would be beaten down out of their position REALLY fast by someone who would be drunk on power.
And exactly - I mean like I said, I'd buy the island with that money, and have money as a back-up. But stuff like growing food etc, that would be done naturally, and that's how our lives would be.
Using money obtained through this civilisation we live etc, to buy a way into a life like that would be quite ironic, wouldn't it?
I'd have to wonder.. maybe if we could, it could entice other people who'd feel the same way to do the same..

Yeah. That's as high as ANYONE should be allowed to go - someone who can guide their people, but not rule them.

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GarudaX In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-21 00:12:55 +0000 UTC]

Good GOD you talk alot!!
....Well yeah I see what you're saying.

That's True!! Well that's imperialism for you.

LOL!! You actually believe that 2012 nonsense? I'll bet the mayans just ran out of time to finish their calender, because later, Cortez showed up and killed them all! I highly doubt there is anything significant about 2012.

You know something, I'm happy to know you too. It's nice to see someone as cool as you! I'm glad i'm your friend, Tarri. lol, if we went back in time and meet them we could live naked with them!! It would also be cool to travel around the countryside too! We would see many wild animals, hang out with the buffalo, and all sorts of cool stuff! Too bad there isn't a time machine huh?

IDK, I just heard they are getting in the way of farm life and need to be rid of.

Oh yeah!
Well I feel nudity should be ok in our civilization! Also I feel that if you feel the need to express your feelings for someone like humping them in public, then I would have nothing against it. If you'd prefer to do it privately, that's ok too, but if one wanted to do it in public, it shouldn't be looked upon as bad would it?

I have valuable knowledge?
Yeah, but what are the chances of us finding those who actually feel the same way we do Tarri?

You know something funny? The President is supposed to be like that!! As his job description dictates: He is the "Commander-in-Chief."

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TarriPup In reply to GarudaX [2010-05-21 02:49:38 +0000 UTC]

Lol sorreh!!

Heh yeah.. I have to wonder, if we were able to establish such a society or civilisation or nation, you think other nations would try pressure us into conforming to their ways, such as wearing clothes, for example?

Oh.. I dunno if I believe it, I just said I have a feeling about that year..
I do believe SOMETHING is going to happen soon.. something that is bound to shake up the world as we know it.
Oh well, if something happens, something happens, right?

Yay!! I love being appreciated when it comes to friendship - or any kind of appreciation for that matter!!
Lol yeah!! Though I'd have to wonder if they'd be suspicious of me.. due to the colour of my skin and hair and eyes, I would CLEARLY not be of their people..
Also we'd have to learn the language of the Blackfoot..
And y'know what? The very IDEA of travelling around, unhindered, seeing the land in all it's majesty.. that would be just incredable!!
Lol and to do that naked.. it would feel so natural and free... it would feel like I am at peace, I know it!!

Gah. People have to realise they tread on THEIR habitats, and intruded on THEIR hunting grounds.
You can't just move to the savannah, then complain when lions eat you or someone in your family.. and if you go mountain climbing? You can't complain if you lose limbs from frostbite!
People are idiots. They have to RESPECT the environment they live in, but no. They have to complain because it should go the way THEY want it.
Reality is, humans did not originate in Alaska. Geez!! You live in a place with predators, you have to be aware that they WILL hunt, and it's not like they are going to think "Oh.. a farm. Too bad." It's gonna be like "There's my next meal.. now to move in for the kill..."
If they don't want wolves interfering with their lifestyle, here is a perfect solution: Move someplace that DOESN'T have wolves.

That really is very true if you looked at it logically. I mean, it would be just like if you kissed or cuddled someone in public. And if you imagine the very physical act of it, and look at it from a matter-of-fact point of view, then where is the real offense in it all?
Actually, if it's with someone you love, why would one be ashamed of doing something so natural, and the rest of the world knowing you care about this person?

Of course you do!! Everyone has valuable knowledge, y'know.
And some of that knowledge would come in very handy..
And I have no idea.. chances would be slim. So we might have to think of a small-group operation here.. I have come across some other online friends who would be keen on this idea we talk about, though..

True.. but the Commander-in-Chief" is also a politician, and of course, there is always self-gain to be thought of there.
Of course, I would have self-gain.. the creation of said nation.

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GarudaX In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-21 14:20:50 +0000 UTC]

NU!! Don't be sorry! D8 I like talking to you.

If I had one guess, it would probably involve America.

Me too!!

Well, maybe after some negotiation, they would accept both of us!
I know right? The very thought of it all gets me going too!

Well you know, guys gotta eat. And if their farms are being terrorized, it would come as no surprise that they would want to do something about it.

I see no harm in doing it in public. I mean there shouldn't be any shame in it at all. It's like people who are obsessed with clothing. I mean why would they like clothing? Is it because you think it makes you look beautiful? Or is it because you want to hide yourself?

Oh? Like who?

lol, I think we would all have self gain from that little nation wouldn't we?

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TarriPup In reply to GarudaX [2010-05-22 02:47:54 +0000 UTC]

We'll defy America. It's not like they can really do what they want, because it would incur wrath from the other nations. Besides, technically the island would be private property, yush?
Not like they can force their ways on you as long as you keep to your own property, right? And on an island, no one else should be able to see you, so it's not like others should be offended, unless they went ONTO the island, then we could say they shouldn't be trespassing..

Yeah.. I mean if we can show we aren't bad people, and all that, I'm sure they would be okay.. all we have to do is show respect.
Haha.. ah.. you know I've also imagined if I could travel back in time to the time BEFORE clothes and civilisation.. and just wander and explore the world.. all untouched, and in the nude, of course!

Yeah.. but to shoot the wolves? Why can't they just improve their farms to cope with the environment then?
Probably because it is cheaper to shoot wolves rather than improve their farms..
All about money, once again.

That's so very true. If it's ultimately wrong, then you'd want to hide. But nudity and sex is completely natural and normal, so isn't wrong at all.

Hmm... let me think.. there is , I think was interested, there was someone else.. man for the number that are interested and the fact they are friends of mine, I totally suck at remembering who they are, huh?
once expressed an interest in it, but I dunno if she is interested anymore or not..
Meh that's all I can remember for now..

That is very true! It will be an idealic little paradise, where we can sustain our own selves, and not worry about all the extra baggage of modern society.
I mean for all the extra things in today's world to make things easier, it sure is making life harder and complicated, huh?

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GarudaX In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-22 21:41:49 +0000 UTC]

If we established a form of government, no they couldn't really do anything.

Hell i'd respect them, they are my ancestors after all.
Holy crap, that's an even better idea! Where do you think we can find a time machine?

Woah woah! You're jumping to the wrong conclusion! I mean, you can't just assume they are doing it out of profit?

No it isn't. Why hide it? What is there to be ashamed of exactly?

Hmm. Well this dunecat fellow doesn't seem to have anything on their profile.

Sme things make life harder like what exactly?

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Groundshock In reply to ??? [2010-05-13 07:53:03 +0000 UTC]

>.> I thought I got rid of those from my life.

On a more serious note.....well, there isn't one.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-14 04:23:49 +0000 UTC]

NEVAH!! BWAHAHAHAAAA!!
You shall be haunted forever by Hamstahs~ 8D

No more serious notes? OMG this is serious!! D8
WOT HAV TEHY DUN 2 JU?? D8

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-14 05:45:58 +0000 UTC]

NUFIN I HOPE.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-14 06:33:31 +0000 UTC]

*notices Groundshock is wearing Ham-Ham ears and is nibbling on sunflower seeds*

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-14 06:46:57 +0000 UTC]

O MAH GOODNESS. *inspects ears, appears to look appreciative* Cool, I must look cute

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-14 07:43:02 +0000 UTC]

Very.
LET US START OUR OWN HAMSTAH CLUB!!

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-14 08:24:23 +0000 UTC]

or not

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-14 21:30:54 +0000 UTC]

Pfft fine..
How about a pokemon club?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-14 23:58:27 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-15 00:13:05 +0000 UTC]

Very well.I've discussed this idea with a while back, and there shall be actual IDs~

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-15 00:42:07 +0000 UTC]

Wait oh dear lord. I have never attempted to draw pokemon. I'm an anthro artist for sure, but I've never attempted pokemon before.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-15 08:25:09 +0000 UTC]

Well.. you can always draw anthro pokemon..

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-16 06:15:34 +0000 UTC]

>.> that'd be interestingly weird

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-16 08:55:45 +0000 UTC]

Hey you can always try it, and if you don't like it, just don't do it again!

Curiously.. would they be dressed like humans, naked, or a mix, depending on what looks good?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-16 09:00:53 +0000 UTC]

Wouldn't have a clue.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-16 20:49:23 +0000 UTC]

Then it's tiem to EXPERIMENT!!

Some anthro pokemon would look good with clothes, some would look better without, and some would look good with a mix of those two (for example, a t-shirt, but no pants, etc).
I think it depends on the pokemon species themselves.

Tell me.. which pokemon would you think to anthrocise?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-17 07:27:42 +0000 UTC]

TYPHLOSION. or CYNDAQUIL. or lets see, I haven't played in ages ummm, I only know Hoenn pokemon 'cause I played Emerald and Ruby.
Groudon, or maybe Mightyena or even Skarmory ooh and Stantler! etc. Ill find more later.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-17 19:48:46 +0000 UTC]

Okie doke!!
So ya gonna try 'em out?

Hmm.. maybe I can do the same! Then we can compare!

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-18 05:24:32 +0000 UTC]

Not right away, I'm working on a few other things, plus that reminds me I have a few I need to scan now, oh and I gotta start another one. Hmmm busy 'cause I been lazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-18 07:25:41 +0000 UTC]

Lol so you got alot to catch up on, eh?
I actually have tonnes to catch up on myself!

How long before you think you'd get to it?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-18 07:34:13 +0000 UTC]

Ha, Well seeing as I seem to be progressing alright, and seeing as House is on tonight, Sometime this week. Oh wait I'm working both Sat, and Sun this weekend, so maybe next week. We shall see.

I give myself stuff and it just piles up. Most of it is written down on my iPod and the general idea given, its just I feel lately my head has gotten ahead of my ability (No pun intended) so I've set myself some more basic drawings to do and to develop my style in simplicity before I attempt my actual style which seems to include more detail than an instruction manual. Plus it's a good learning exercise 'cause I'm teaching myself a style I definitely want to be mine, it's just I seem to naturally tend towards large detailed pictures that I get halfway through and end up drawing wrong. So I'm teaching myself a kind of comic style almost, that I'm making my own.

We'll see how that goes.
TL;DR I'm developing a new style one I can draw certainly a lot quicker than my natural one. (You know I'm not even sure what my natural style is anymore....)

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-19 20:19:26 +0000 UTC]

Okie dokie!!
House was interesting.. would you like some hemlock?

Yeah I know what you mean!! I guess we just end up having so many things to do, and not enough time to do it all in!
And that sounds like an interesting plan - something to speed up the drawing process!!
I have my own way of drawing.. I got it though after first using other styles as a reference!!

Lol well.. you could potentially have more than one style, right?
Though I have no idea what TL;DR means..

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-20 07:14:01 +0000 UTC]

Or steroids? You know I checked, the season finale is about 3 episodes away. It's about to air in America.

I suppose, in the end it both will merge into one style for me, something in between. But for now I'm training myself to work accurately with less detail.

Too Long; Didn't Read

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-21 02:56:16 +0000 UTC]

Really? Lol speaking of House, my email's spam box is trying to sell me vicadin!

Ah.. sometimes simpler is nicer..

What didn't you read?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-21 05:41:53 +0000 UTC]

That would be Vicodin.

Yes. Less is more. (more or less )

No, thats what TL;DR stands for.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-21 05:59:09 +0000 UTC]

Whatever. Same difference.

Unless there is more to it. Nonetheless, we should look into it somemore~

I know.. but that implies what I said, right?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-21 06:31:56 +0000 UTC]

>.>

Perhaps, or perhaps not.

I don't know, we're so far into the convo it'll take me a while to even find what you meant if I could even be bothered.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-21 06:54:00 +0000 UTC]

Haha.. you should see some of the conversations I've had on how far they've gone!!
Like.. I think with one lot of conversations with Kali, it's gone over 40!!

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-21 07:14:19 +0000 UTC]

I had one with, I don't remember who now,and it went on ridiculously long.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-21 10:50:18 +0000 UTC]

Lol I think I had one and it went over 60.. or was it 70?
Actually it could have gone as far up as into the 80s..

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-22 06:32:01 +0000 UTC]

Huh.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-22 06:58:31 +0000 UTC]

Over 80 replies in the same comment..
...actually it might have gone over a hundred.. Hmm..

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-22 07:24:48 +0000 UTC]

Mhmmm

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-22 07:38:36 +0000 UTC]

But in that case a friend of mine and I had somehow turned our DA comments into a roleplay.. so ya..

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-22 07:44:26 +0000 UTC]

MMMmmm roleplay....

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-22 08:59:36 +0000 UTC]

You liek to do teh roleplay?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-23 09:39:17 +0000 UTC]

Yer! and Ner! (I haven't done it before so I dunno )

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-23 19:49:14 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm... perhaps we could do a roleplay sometime?
What kind of things would you wanna try roleplay?

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-24 07:07:56 +0000 UTC]

Errr, no idea.

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TarriPup In reply to Groundshock [2010-05-24 19:46:00 +0000 UTC]

Hmm.. well I know of a Pokemon roleplay site if you ever wanna try that..
Or we could do something different and roleplay MLP
Or maybe we can make a completely new story with fursona characters...

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Groundshock In reply to TarriPup [2010-05-25 04:17:47 +0000 UTC]

Mhmmmm. I still wouldn't know what to do.

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