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I got this in my head just yesterday and literally just scribbled it onto the page XD.
EDIT: Already, I know. XD I forgot her fleshmark
There's a ton of preset brushes, and a really bad background, but I like it
This is Mossy's first training picture - I hope. Twitch is doing the Circle game of the Parelli seven games with her, but I just have to get confirmation from the AHA that natural ground games count, as they are training in a form.
And for those who don't really do natural or know much, a lot of it is about body language, and the stick isn't used for punishment. Curling the body inward is submissive and non threatening, encouraging the horse closer. With horses that are used to the techniques, they can learn to respond to just a finger, pointing the direction they should go, as Twitch is.
The stick is used as a 'back up', encouraging motion, depending on where abouts it is positioned. Sorry if none of that made sense...
This takes place in Wickerwood, at Lakewood. It was originally going to be the outdoor arena, but grass happened instead
Mossy's ref: [link] (for once you can actually see the chestnut spot at the front of her hoof
"See that?" Chess asked, pointing towards Mossy. The little mare had her head lowered, her eyes half closed and she was softly licking and chewing as her tail idly flicked away the stray flies.
Twitch had done enough of these sessions with Chess to know what it meant. She stopped gently swinging the string at the end of the long stick over Mossy's back and stood away from her, lifting the rope.
Mossy's ears swivelled and her head lifted.
"See if you can get her to back to the end of the line," Chess instructed, walking a short distance off to where Becca, Austin and Twitch's mother had set up a picnic and camping chairs in the long grass. Ace and peanut were darting through the trees and hedge at the back of the field - trying to find rabbits - while Bagel, who was rarely out of the Farmhouse in her old age was being happily fussed on the picnic mat. Moby had fallen asleep under Becca's chair.
Twitch stood tall, lifting her hand and beginning to tap her index finger rhythmically on the rope. Mossy shifted, but didn't take a step back. Twitch gave her a moment before moving up, and beginning to move her wrist side to side. The tremors sent down the rope had Mossy taking a slow step away.
"Good stuff!" Becca called out, around a large baguette of tuna mayonnaise.
Twitch wrinkled her nose, starting again and getting Mossy to slowly move off another step. "She always seems to take forever," she said, voice lilted so the others would detect the question in it.
Chess nodded, tossing a kernel of popcorn high into the air and catching it in her mouth. "Mossy's sweet as anything, but even with her, you have to earn your respect. Its because you're unsure. As you gain confidence, she'll respond quicker."
Twitch nodded, turning back to focus on the Arabian. She knew that, really. Chess was the natural person on the farm - Aphie was so incredibly sensitive that you could have trouble on your hands if you approached her wrong sometimes - and she'd been teaching Twitch some of the techniques for the last couple of months. It was at least going better than Chess' last attempt to teach Austin - who had ended up looking perplexed as Toeki happily grazed away, a smug glint in his eyes.
The weather had been a little all over the place, but that morning had dawned warm, sunny and with the taste of summer in the air. A picnic was announced at breakfast, and Twitch's mother had been invited to stay and watch, as she had offered to stop at the store for them.
Twitch got Mossy out to the end of the line and then curled herself in as she'd been taught. Mossy being the people horse she was, needed less encouragement to trot back in.
Chess turned to Becca as the teenager experimented with some of the other things she'd been taught.
"Hey, How are we doing on finances?"
Becca contemplated as she finished her lunch. "We're good. The loan's being paid off; we've not spent too much on show entries lately - oh, and we got some entries for the Festival in the post so I'd say we have a bit spare. Why?"
"I want a round pen," Chess answered, smiling brightly. Becca groaned.
"Haven't you been using the Circle?"
Chess snickered. "Yes. But every time we try to change the rein at liberty, I end up running into the tree. Its not urgent - just a thought. But if we're seriously considering Austin's genius plan, it might come in really handy if we need to work with peoples' seat and balance."
Becca nodded approvingly as Austin dropped into his seat next to them.
"I know I'm a genius, but why this time, exactly?"
Twitch's mother chuckled at them, her eyes still trained on her daughter now running alongside Mossy, who was happily cantering along, her stride gathered so she never pulled ahead.
Chess sighed theatrically. "Well...I wouldn't say genius..."
"I would," he answered, winking and knowing it would earn a dark look. "I heard you say it distinctly. Genius. Me. You said it."
"You were hearing things," Chess waved off. "Just like last night, when you banged on mine and Becca's doors saying that the phone was ringing."
Austin smiled abruptly, eyes glazing as though the memory was of great amusement to him. Chess smacked him across the leg - the part of him within easy reach from her seat on the picnic mat. He pulled himself back to the present.
"I don't know what you're talking about."
"Liar," Chess shot back.
"You're avoiding the topic," Austin replied, apparently ignoring her and beaming innocently. "Come on. Am I a genius because I suggested we start offering lessons?"
Now came the dark look. Chess turned away from him. "Might be."
"So I should probably get an award for when I suggested we could also take school groups for days - teach them about handling, tack, duty of care...?"
"Oh, look, I'm needed over there," Chess said brightly, hopping up and heading towards Twitch and Mossy.
Austin laughed, "Chicken."
"That's Duck," Chess called back - referring to one of their Rhode Island red hens in the Farmyard.
"Goose," Becca joined in again - face betraying her amusement at another typical fight.
Twitch's mother looked around. "Swan?"
Becca blinked at her for a moment, then both she and Austin burst into laughter.
"Wow, Mrs. Caullen. You really fit in here," Becca said once she'd calmed. She picked up a tub of fresh strawberries and began popping them in her mouth, one after the other like they were sweets.
"Well, Ryan seems to love it, so I'll take that as a compliment," the woman said, smiling fondly.
Becca beamed back at her.
"Try it," Chess said, across the field. The group at the picnic looked up to see Chess hand over the long stick and walk back to them.
Twitch lifted herself, raised the line and pointed to the right. Mossy tossed her head and jumped to a trot, putting herself out on a small circle around the slight girl.
"Now!" Chess called.
Twitch switched the line and stick over in her hands and curled herself in, stepping into the mare's quarters. Mossy spun them away in an instant, turning obediently into the circle as the girl's hunched form beckoned - but the stick was there to block her.
Lifting the line, Twitch pointed out to the left, raising the stick to guide the mare's forequarters. Mossy snorted, ears flickering as she understood, and kept turning, trotting straight past Twitch and back onto the circle, now going in the opposite direction.
Twitch stood tall again, smiling brilliantly as she lowered the stick and let Mossy pick up a happy canter.
Chess smiled as she sat back with her friends.
"Isn't that high level?" Becca asked, frowning.
"Kinda," the blonde girl shrugged. "Mossy knows what she's doing, and having a go is good for Twitch, too. They both love this."
Becca nodded, not even noticing as Austin snatched away her tub of strawberries. They were half gone.
"So," Chess wheedled again. "About that roundpen..."
"Have you worked out what you're taking to Italy, yet?" Becca asked instead, non too subtly changing the topic.
Chess took it up gladly, though. "Kind of. I mean, we're going to be doing field and paper based research, I think, so pairs of jeans and some t-shirts, right?"
Becca whacked her across the arm.
"Ow! What was that?"
"Are you nuts? You're going to Italy. The research is wicked and all - it'll be cool to know more about Tessa and Tyke - but my god, Chess. You could meet some Italian guy. Aren't they really cute? I think it's the gene pool out there..."
Chess quirked an eyebrow at her. "Well, I'm sticking with Bean and keeping to the horses - but if I find a guy who doesn't give off a 'serial killer' vibe and isn't gay, I'll toss him in my suitcase for you, okay?"
"Just as long as you promise," Becca beamed. She settled back in her seat again. "Hey, who took my strawberries?"
Time a few hours?
Got a new book - 101 horsemanship exercises - and used a small illustration for an idea of poses.
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Comments: 45
Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-18 20:08:59 +0000 UTC]
Ack, thank you, but in this one I disagree a little XD. Something about her belly and quarters looks off, too me, but I guess that's just because I drew it
I am a bit anatomy obsessive, though, so its good to know it looks okay to you
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StarryEyedMeadows In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-18 20:15:16 +0000 UTC]
Everyone always seems to nit pick their own work because in their mind they see it a trillions time better... But yet even in my mind mine never looks as good as this XD
Sorry for all the comments im looking through your gallery XD
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-18 20:38:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I think most artists do see issues with their own work. But I'm sure your work is fine I have a ton of tabs open, but yours is one of them - so I'll go hunting in your gallery too in a sec
And no problem - its really nice to get comments from people as well as a truckload of faves. So thank you so much for doing it
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StarryEyedMeadows In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-18 20:44:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I think its a good thing though it helps you improve. And thank you but its nothing compared to yours but im practising more thanks to HARPG so im hoping it will get better. I always have loads of tabs up if I see a random stable I open a tab and look at it later XD
Its no problem
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-18 21:01:24 +0000 UTC]
Lol, me too. I think the smallest number of tabs I've had open at any one time is 12 I think I've got 5 stables to go through at the minute. I'll get to yours asap
And definitely, if you always think your own work is amazing, you're never going to improve, so it must be a good thing I've definitely improved my digital work sooo much since joining the HARPG. I really love it and I'm not sure why it took me so long to do it XD
Also, I don't want to be a bother, but if you don't mind voting on polls (I know some people avoid them) would you check this out for me? --> [link] I'm really sorry if it bothere you to ask, I'm sort of promoting all over
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StarryEyedMeadows In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-18 21:06:35 +0000 UTC]
Haha i think ive had at the most ten but that has had competition information as well ^^
Exactly ^^ And me too, even at the beginning of my few weeks of HARPG my work wasn't good but learning about the anatomy and such i have improved quite a bit, well in my eyes anyway XD
hehe its fine ^^ and ive already voted for you
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-18 21:14:24 +0000 UTC]
I go through phases with comps. I'll usually have a ton of shows open, decide on them, then shut them all and won't look at any more for a while. And I just really thrash my laptop with internet tabs I always have too many up...
I always say that learning a horse's natural movement and understanding their skeleton is the key to drawing them. Watch as many horses as you can and make sure you know where the bones and joints are, what kind of joints are where, and their range of motion. I personally like to know the muscles too, but a lot of people find they aren't as important to start off. If you learn that, I find them much easier to put onto paper/canvas, so if checking out the anatomy stuff on DA had improved your work, you might find it keeps improving it There's a lot of resource groups, too, for everything from drawing hooves, to understanding proportions. All very useful stuff
And thank you so much I think I'll soon lose track of who has voted XD I really appreciate it, though
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StarryEyedMeadows In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-19 11:05:20 +0000 UTC]
Haha me too, im surprised my laptop doesn't give up or refuse to open any more
Yeah i agree, when i go down my yard in my lunch i always go down to the field and watch the horses grazing or doing horsey things XD I take a lot of pictures as well so i can use it as references
Haha ^^ Oh congratulations on winning it ^_^
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-19 18:17:44 +0000 UTC]
Lol, same. I abuse her so badly
That's a really good idea - and its always nice to take pictures of horses you know to put them in more context
And thank you so much! I'm really, really thrilled
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StarryEyedMeadows In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-19 18:36:17 +0000 UTC]
Me too i think i have ten tabs open at the moment
Yeah I agree
And no problem She deserved to win!
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to StarryEyedMeadows [2012-03-19 19:16:48 +0000 UTC]
Beat ya! 17
And many thanks, all the same
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ofcowardiceandkings [2012-03-18 19:12:48 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much I love natural horsemanship, and I needed pics of Mossy to get her some AHA points so...it happened XD
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ofcowardiceandkings In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-19 18:59:56 +0000 UTC]
Hehe fair enough C: and you're welcome
~Ink
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to TheOnlyBean [2012-03-17 10:48:27 +0000 UTC]
Thank you It landed on the canvas XD I still don't really know how.
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TheOnlyBean In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-17 14:16:54 +0000 UTC]
As long as it turns out awesome, right?
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Zephyrra [2012-03-17 10:48:56 +0000 UTC]
Thankies Glad you like it; it was certainly fun to draw.
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oakhollowd [2012-03-16 22:54:48 +0000 UTC]
No way, the background is fab!
I just have to fave this cause it reminds me SO MUCH of my lunge training with Hillie. She won't turn onto one rein (can't for the life of me remember it now) and she won't halt.
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-16 22:59:45 +0000 UTC]
Thank you (and it's great to hear from you
). I still think it's a bit of a fail, but as long as no one else does I suppose
And lol, I wasn't trying to channel you, but at least if it resembles an actual horse, I didn't go too far wrong Mossy isn't actually being lunged (sorry if you knew that, I wasn't sure
) the natural horsemanship circling game they're doing doesn't use the same principles as lunging, though some elements of it do appear similar. I guess that's where the resemblance is
Thanks again
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-16 23:08:08 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, the picture just reminded me vividly of our lunging sessions I've tried join up and free lunging with Hils before but never this game, I'm intrigued. Do you do it a lot in real life?
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-16 23:22:43 +0000 UTC]
How does your pony take to join up? She's dead cute, btw
And I've done this game a few times. The equine participant isn't quite as accomodating as Mossy XD. I've been learning Parelli techniques for the last couple of months and I work with a chestnut Arabian gelding called Asti. He's quite fussy and grumpy, but he hates other horses, which can make him difficult to handle if there are others around.
Some times we're fine and he'll go out onto the circle and stay there. Other times - most times - he needs a lot of encouragement to leave the person in the middle and he'll keep trying to come back in. He's a bit of a space invader XD, so I found he's far more responsive once you really get it into his head that your space is your space and he has to respect it.
You can probably look up the principals of the game online. I'm not sure I'd to a stellar job of explaining, but I can try, if you want?
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-17 18:42:20 +0000 UTC]
Ooh, she's a stroppy little mare cute but stroppy, haha! Thank you
I've joined up successfully on both occasions that I've tried, the first was much more successful. I'm very confident in all my aids, she just generally feels disdain towards humans chasing her in any way - on her back, on the ground, whatever!
I might Google it for something fun to try over summer
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-17 18:57:37 +0000 UTC]
Stroppy and fussy are the best But I can somehow picture her getting disgruntled with people running around behind her XD.
You're supposed to use an official 'carrot stick', which you might be able to buy cheaper on ebay or something. But honestly, I'm trying to work out how I could make one, because I'm sure it couldn't be that complicated.
They're fibre glass, I think, but not nearly as flexible as a riding crop...I dunno if some kind of dowl would work... Let me know if you try, though
I'd love to hear how it goes
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-17 19:40:47 +0000 UTC]
Oh well you'll love to know...my "Lunge whip" is just a bog-standard riding crop with half an old lunge line that got ripped tied to the end same effect but it's a bit less manoeuvrable. Might see if I can get a proper lunge whip cause lunging really did help do the world of good with Hils.
That's the general consensus with me & Hillie - make do and mend, we have very little proper stuff, we have a cavesson for proper lunging. Her saddle is a 25-y-o child's pony games saddle, extremely forward cut with next to no knee rolls and a tiny seat my bum doesn't fit!
That's most of the fun in it though, you see just how useful bog standard things can be and as long as you make them safe, might as well use them than buy the proper thing for extortionate amounts of money! I've heard about carrot sticks being extortionately priced though. I like some of Parelli's methods but others...just seem a bit wishy washy to me. Monty Roberts' stuff makes a lot more sense in my head. But that's just me
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-17 19:48:25 +0000 UTC]
Haha, I love your lunge whip . See, I think a schooling whip would work okay as a Carrot Stick, its just too flexible and you ideally need it to be about 4ft long.
I definitely share your philosophy. Just use what you have and don't waste money on something you can create. The official Parelli stuff is way, way overpriced.
overall, I like natural horsemanship, and I like some of Parelli's techniques. I like some of Monty's, too - but they both do, say and advocate stuff that I disagree with. Personally, when I get a horse, I'd be using a combination of things as and how it works best at the time.
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-17 19:54:10 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely, I can't abide by one set of rules, especially with a mare as changeable as Hillie and I imagine that applies to many horses. But she has a lot of history that makes her confused about humans and I don't imagine that helps a lot.
I fully advocate natural horsemanship and would encourage anybody to try it, but I do go old-school at times too. I tend to go with the "if they did it for years then it obviously worked", unless of course we're talking about abusive methods, like bearing reins in carriage driving.
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-17 20:51:37 +0000 UTC]
Definitely - no one set method will work for every horse, or even each horse. You'll need to keep their individual needs in mind, every time you work with them. The fact that you know that, though, is the best part. Once you accept there may be other ways you need to do things, finding them is easier. Its getting people to think outside the box if their method isn't working that's the difficult part
And that's exactly my thoughts! I love natural, but I would definitely keep traditional elements with my own horse. I don't really support the practice of lunging with side-reins and hate the cruel punishments. Bearing reins are awful (did you learn about them from Black Beauty? ) and some of the old cowboy gentling methods really make me want to smack someone.
Ooh, and while I think, I know this is kind of random but *MissDudette 's set up the voting poll for her Irish Jubilee.
If you haven't sworn to be neutral or voted for another entry, could I ask you to vote for Mossy on Round 3 of the halter? Its on Cat's main page here: [link] . This is Mossy's entry: [link]
Sorry if asking was a bother, but thanks so much if you don't mind
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-17 23:08:25 +0000 UTC]
Already did
And yeah, first found out about that in BB
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-17 23:10:41 +0000 UTC]
Already voted? Thank you so much!
And isn't BB educational? XD That's where I learned a lot, too. Though, have you heard of something called the 'sacking' method? I learned about that reading Lauren Brooke's Heartland book series.
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-18 10:48:06 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I saw that in Heartland and in Monty Roberts' autobiography. What a terrible way to break a horse. We trained donkeys at my old work by putting a sack of potatoes on their back to act like the weight of a small child that can't really balance themselves, but you would never actually hit anything.
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-18 19:23:22 +0000 UTC]
It is such an awful method and yeah, weight bearing practice is nowhere near as violent. I think it's actually fairly common to secure a sack of potatoes or sand of some sort over a saddle when you're backing them. With our youngsters at college, we just used to have someone light drape themselves over the saddle and stay still as others led the horse around and even lunged (XD) like normal. Fun times
(also, I know you voted on Mossy's halter entry and she's since made it to the finals. Could I be a huge pain and ask you to vote again on the last round? Still on *MissDudette 's main page. No worries if you would rather not vote again, though )
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-19 13:29:30 +0000 UTC]
You went to a horse college? Sounds awesome what are you doing at the mo education/career-wise?
And I voted again, haha
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-19 18:12:04 +0000 UTC]
Haha, I'm still going XD. I did my GCSE's when I was 16, but didn't do A level qualifications. Instead I went to Oaklands College and did a two year National Diploma in Horse Management, which gives you the equivalent of 3 A levels. I finished in early 2010 and stayed on to do a Foundation Degree in Equine Performance and Management which ends this May.
As with everything, there are ups and downs. Overall, though, I really liked the Diploma. Our days mostly consisted of being on the yard and working directly with the horses, with a few theory lessons dotted about. The really hard part of that was the Morning yards. We had two horses to take care of for one week in every three (we got two weeks break before the rota came around again). We had to start at 7:30 am and muck out, groom, tack clean and tidy the yard in two hours before lessons. And at the end of the week we had to be on the yard to help out for a full day. Summer wasn't so bad - you got to lay about in the sun while the horses were out - but winter put you in a dark place mentally, and it made focusing on workloads really hard. Looking back, I really miss those two years, though.
The degree isn't as much fun. We rarely get contact with the horses on it, much of it is theory based and the work is very taxing. We're only in 1 and a half days a week, though, so the rest of the time we are free to organise ourselves. Still, a lot of work, and our teachers on this course have been awful. Really unprofessional, nitpicking, patronising...you name it. I'm just going to be thrilled when it's over.
After that, I want to get out of horses for a while. I still love them and I still want to own one (and god knows, I won't stop drawing them XD) but I just can't be on a yard or dealing with the science of it for a while. Uni was too much for me
I want to get a job that will pay some bills but allow me time to draw and write, so I can sell stuff (I'm trying to work out paypal so I can sell from DA ) and get some of my stories published
That's the plan
And thanks so much for your vote. Again . Mossy won by just 1, so it really counted!
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oakhollowd In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-03-20 09:10:34 +0000 UTC]
Ooh, it's an interesting pathway though. I was sorely tempted to do something similar when I didn't get into uni first time but managed to convince myself to stick it out with an extra year improving modules in my A-levels, then applying again - and I got in, with a higher entry requirement!
I worked in stables almost all my horsey life so I know what you mean about amazing summers and punishing winters. Everything seems to go wrong in winter! I never worked a 9-5 week or anything so I didn't get the winter depression as bad as you did, and I think the staff appreciated having the help of a fresh face at the weekends when it was busiest for lessons. I really miss working regularly on the yard though.
Degrees aren't really as much fun as everybody makes them out to be. What year of your degree are you in now? I'm in my 1st of three at the uni. of Nottingham studying animal science. Not quite sure what I want to do after...maybe genetics, nutrition or animal production. But I hate lab work, I'd love to do something hands on. Might do a postgrad Equine Science course.
Writing and drawing for a year or so sounds like fun I could never make it work for me, I don't think I market myself well enough to make money
I've sold art in the past and I've always written well but not enough to sell I don't think. I hope it all works out for you and you feel ready to come back to the working world of horses one day
Yeah, congrats on your win definitely deserved!
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to oakhollowd [2012-03-21 09:41:25 +0000 UTC]
Definitely an interesting path XD. But everyone's different, so it sounds great for you that you stuck with the A levels
Tell me about it. Trying to muck out two horses in the pitch black at 7:30 every morning for a week - knowing you'll have to do it again two weeks later - was really demotivating. Plus, you had to contend with the freezing cold, you had to walk to the fields to break ice and the water taps at the yard were even frozen up until someone had gone around with the kettle and poured water on it three times . I can bet the staff really appreciated the help, having been in the kind of position where we have to keep the yard functioning, no matter what happens. 'The winter depression' is a great term, actually
. I don't think I've called it that before, but its spot on, and students used to get it badly.
And they really aren't. Fun is not a word I would use to describe my degree! I'm in my second year of two. I finish this May, and have to resit a Legislation exam in June/July. The only reason I'm still there is because we're so close to the end and I can take transferable skills to other lines of work. It sounds like you're in for a ride with your degree. What kind is it? Mines only a foundation, so some of the structure will likely be different. And genetics is something I really love, though nutrition is so much maths and calculation its not funny.
And unfortunately, hands on is not a focal point of a degree . For the Diploma, we were practically on the yard, day in, day out. For this, I've seen the yard for two hours tops a week, just to tack up, ride and return to the class room. This term's been a little better, though, with practical first aid exercises. On the whole, you'll find that the higher the qualification, the less time you get to interact with the horses (like vets who have to do 4 years + of study in all sorts of fields and when they get into the horse side of things, they don't know how to put on a headcollar!)
It does sound like fun to just take a year break XD. And I'm sure you could make it work. You have good artwork and even if you didn't want to do it on a large scale, there's other things you can do. I personally want to get a paypal account set up so that I can sell prints of artwork I've got on DA, but also so I can start doing commissions...
I'll definitely find something to give me a much needed break and I really hope I'll want to return to the industry one day
And many thanks
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