NycaNyctophoba In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:59:12 +0000 UTC]

I don't see how this is much different from Surrealism though...

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illusivereality In reply to NycaNyctophoba [2012-07-27 21:40:34 +0000 UTC]

Too true.

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infinity-angel88 In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:59:10 +0000 UTC]

1. There is no "should this or that" with art, I think. "art" simply IS.
2. Admittedly, I don't pay enough attention.
3. If I think there is a message, I'll look for it. Not everything has to have one.
4. With my writing, yes.

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Meruka7 In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:59:09 +0000 UTC]

What an interesting article <3

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InvaderLindsey In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:58:48 +0000 UTC]

what the world!

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AMV-artist In reply to InvaderLindsey [2012-07-27 21:01:09 +0000 UTC]

yaeh.... what in the world.

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montag451 In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:58:37 +0000 UTC]

1. I think there's more than enough room for both political and apolitical art.

2. I see Art as an evolutionary phenomena and the techniques and technology that are available will lead us to new avenues and forms of expression.

3. All of this depends on the artist and the creation I may see at the time and I do feel that "artistic themes" prevail within an artist's gallery overall.

4. This depends on the type of image I'm working on and at times, I try to convey a sense of--message, technique and aesthetics all at once.

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7h9tj4 In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:58:25 +0000 UTC]

This hoveres between surrealism and abstraction. Unfortunately I can't say that any substantially new, exotic art form has been produced in the last 20 years. Every genre looks like something that already exists. Very nice work all the same, perhaps "suggestivism" will define itself eventually.

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PackRatTheArtist In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:58:09 +0000 UTC]

Suggestivism looks a whole heck of a lot like abstract art to me.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to PackRatTheArtist [2012-07-28 12:13:57 +0000 UTC]

I was always told that abstract art doesn't depict anything that you can identify. Just shapes and colors. This is weird because whenever I look at a so called abstract art I ALWAYS see something: a face, a flower, the atomic structure of Flerovium, you know stuff like that. I guess that means I've never seen abstract art.

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John--Vincent In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:57:51 +0000 UTC]

1. I like when art goes political - I myself only like art that states my political views though But political messages are definitely a part of art.

3. If it seems to have a message, or has a message to me, I can enjoy that, but if I see no certain message to it and it's simply beautiful, that is appreciateable too.

4. I like to put messages in my art. Sometimes I just get random ideas, but often my ideas are based upon daydreaming - which has to do with my opinion. And so it gains a message.

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siehdaschauan In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:56:47 +0000 UTC]

1. It depends on what you want to express with our art but I am more an apolitical person. So I would fit in the apolitical place in the art world.

2. Movements in the art define art. At the moment everything escapes from its real forms and gets abstract. The general art. There are still branches which go into another direction.
A quote out of the book I am currently reading sums this quite good up: 'Nothing stays forever but one thing you can be certain about to be always around is the change.' (kind of.. I had to translate it into English).

3. Ufortunately there isn't enough time to think about every intention of an artist in his works. But due to my arts class I treat some art more closely. This often changes my mind about a work. Positive as well as negative.
On Art Exhibitions I want to see everything and judge all art by the first look. This is especially a pity when you watch abstract paintings because you cannot see every depth in it.

4. I am trying to concept my art at first and at second place visualising it. At least it is my plan. But when I start with this plan a work I realise my technique and aesthetics aren't that developed to realise what my head wants to do. At the moment I am inspired by my dreams and I write all my ideas into my notebook.
Both. In some drawings I try to convey a certain message but some (and this is the bigger part) I'm just drawing what's in my head. I think it is also quite nice if every human being has their own opinionabout a work. Art doesn't live from messages and intentions. But this is depending on art and artist again.

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Contraltissimo In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:55:45 +0000 UTC]

Good heavens, it's like I've been shot to another planet. It's.... kind of refreshing, actually.

Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both? ---- I think there will always be room for both. There will always be people that want to say something with their art, and there will always be people who wanna draw Chuck Norris fighting a unicorn simply for the sake of Chuck Norris fighting a unicorn. And each party will probably read their own views into the other's arts at least some of the time.

Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things? ---- Heh, well, I honestly haven't been looking, so I don't really know. But for whether movement is good or bad.... I think it depends on the movement. I think movements are on a greyscale. But everyone's perceptions are so different, it's probably a different greyscale for everyone, too.

Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art? ---- *lol* I think my first visceral reaction is to like or dislike. But sometimes, the longer I look at something, if it's complex or confusing.... sometimes it just makes me feel like the artist was definitely saying something, and then purposefully making the image super confusing so that the meaning would be tricky to see except for anyone on the same hoity-toity thought level as the artist, and then it usually falls into my dislike pile. But I'm trying not to be so judgmental, I really am.

In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics? ---- Hm! I don't know if I've ever tried to transmit specific messages before, but.... One thing I'm always trying to transmit is emotion. Feeling. Yeah, probably mostly aesthetics.

Great article.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to Contraltissimo [2012-07-28 11:15:38 +0000 UTC]

What a great idea for a new art movement! Chuck Norris fighting unicorns! Like you could have Chuck Norris fighting two unicorns and Chuck Norris fighting a two-horned unicorn with one arm tied behind his back. The possibilities are endless. But you should not have Chuck Norris fighting Chuck Norris and like that. That should be a separate "ism" and people who don't respect that should be punished because they are so dumb. IMHO.

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Contraltissimo In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-28 20:17:33 +0000 UTC]

Pfffft. Anybody pitting Chuck Norris against Chuck Norris is too lameface mcdumbhead to know what REAL art is. It's ALL about Chuck Norris versus unicorns.

This is the future, man.

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LeEternalLotus In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:55:04 +0000 UTC]

I quite like this, amazing. Good job, really love all the artwork on here. This new catagory, or maybe a world of it's own is a wonderful perspective to behold

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spartan-locke In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:54:05 +0000 UTC]

I thought suggestivism is what you get arrested for when you're chat rouletting with a minor.

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AriaDreamGirl In reply to spartan-locke [2012-07-27 20:55:53 +0000 UTC]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

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spartan-locke In reply to AriaDreamGirl [2012-07-30 23:57:02 +0000 UTC]

ty i try!

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LuDux In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:52:20 +0000 UTC]

It's pretentious bullshit like this that's killing DA.

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illusivereality In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 21:37:50 +0000 UTC]

I second that. In respect to the article, if a dog is defined more by what it isn't than what it is. Then I could just as well say, "a dog is not a mushroom". I'd be right, but who cares? Besides, every single word used to describe "Suggestivism" here could just as easily be describing Surrealism.

When self-referential bullshit like this is used to judge art, then real art is tossed aside for Artist's Shit (which is worth it's weight in gold).

Art is like a joke. You can't judge a good joke by using a formula, but people do that with Art.

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codyawesome64 In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 21:16:00 +0000 UTC]

Does exploring the possibility that we, in our generation, have the makings of a new artistic genre on our hands kill DA. Or, excuse me if I'm too blunt, does filling the website with "My Little Pony" fan art kill it?

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Ludjia In reply to codyawesome64 [2012-07-28 10:37:12 +0000 UTC]

I have no idea if "my little pony" fanart would "kill" DA, it could in the respect that the majority of visitors are overwhelmed by "bad art" and DA's sorting/filtering options are inadequate to let people find what they want to find, giving the internet the impression that da is "full of furries/bronies/whatever"

But I think it is interesting to think about that a brony is creating their Inexperienced(bad?) pony fanart out of passion and love for their subject matter (sometimes attention? this is another discussion) whilst high value fine art that is available in some galleries in the real world is created out of a desire for money and status, sometimes out of cynisism. I'm not making a statement on what reasoning to create art is better, but I would not wish for the banning on "crappy fanart" on DA because a lot of great artists start that way. I started out drawing pokemon because I liked the community spirit in oekakis, and now i'm getting an education as an illustrator but have become cynical and lost faith in art. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, i'm just thinking about it aloud.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to Ludjia [2012-07-28 11:32:01 +0000 UTC]

I think there are "juried" art sites out there where your portfolio has to be approved before you are allowed to post you work there. This is what some prefer and it's there for them to enjoy and that's fine. I enjoy the deviantART attitude that allows anyone to post just about anything and lets the chips fall as they may. I find that this diversity provides a more realistic view of the world and gives me a longer "baseline" which I can use to more accurately locate myself at those times when I am not completely sure where I stand. Like now. Plus, who would the hell would approve me anyway?

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Ludjia In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-28 11:49:09 +0000 UTC]

I agree a setting like DA is more realistic than a juried art site. I have never found any that isn't very traditionally oriented though. Do you have a link to such a place? By the way, you shouldn't self depricate such, it is contagious and self fulfilling

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LightningNova666 In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 21:06:31 +0000 UTC]

DeviantArt is for the artists, if you don't like this type of art then you don't need to look at it. DeviantArt is for displaying the art of which people draw to those who share the same interests and ideas. You do not have the right to say that one style of art is worse than the other, you may have an opinion, but that does not mean that it's true.

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LightningNova666 In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 21:06:31 +0000 UTC]

DeviantArt is for the artists, if you don't like this type of art then you don't need to look at it. DeviantArt is for displaying the art of which people draw to those who share the same interests and ideas. You do not have the right to say that one style of art is worse than the other, you may have an opinion, but that does not mean that it's true.

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SeiraSky In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 21:06:16 +0000 UTC]

^ THIS

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Gnome64 In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 20:59:00 +0000 UTC]

pretentious or not, how in the world is it killing DA?

Your argument is pretentious in itself.

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mexican-polarbear In reply to LuDux [2012-07-27 20:56:52 +0000 UTC]

Yeah no.

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Plasmacat13 In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 20:43:53 +0000 UTC]

1. Given how much politics has affected our lives lately, it's expected that art will arise that is political. And I believe that there is room for both. It's a way of getting your feelings out on a certain political issue and can help you understand others' thinking just as apolitical art does.

3. I usually look at art to decide if I like it or not. What I like and don't like about something can help me define what I want my art to look like. But it's just as important to look at the message behind the piece because we can understand what others think and how they want THEIR art to look.

4. I have never looked at what my work may be conveying. I just draw what I feel like drawing and let the viewer decide what it means. Everyone looks at the world differently and art is no exception.

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BloodyBBQ In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 19:52:37 +0000 UTC]

1.: political before apolitical. Art with a clear message is stronger and "more important" (using the word important cause of a lack of another word).

2: Art, meaning recognized Art, becomes more democratic. Sites like devianArt give the vote to the public and degrade the critics to just another voter. This makes Art dumber in some sort of way, but also clearer in message. I find that Abstract Art is a victim of this (thank god for that),and could move us to a form of fantastic realism like shown in the article.

3: Trying to figure out an artist is kinda impossible without a comment by the artist and a basic knowlenge about his personal life and background. I alway tend to interpret a pice of art with my experiences, memories, knowlenge... short: with my context.

4: I'm a 3D artist so concerning myself with the technique is what I do every day. The aesthetics are probably the most important thing in this young form of art and will dominate most of my work for the rest of my life. Our Tools become stronger and stronger and like the first men with brushes, or the first Typographs with Computers you are eager to maximize the possible and to see where you can go. The message comes with the Project. Making a Animation-Movie, Video-Game, etc takes a whole team and a strong message and/or goal to motivate the team. Of course this goal can just mean that we earn a shitload of money with it ;D

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ActsofArt In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 19:20:40 +0000 UTC]

1) art should be what the artist makes it and what the viewers make of it .
2) I don't really follow the art world, but I feel that movements sort of turn art into a popularity contest. this one style is popular and if you don't do it you're not "in"
3)sometimes I try if I like the art, but if I don't like it to begin with I have no interest and I'll probably just move on.
4) I do both. I give thought to ideas or messages I can translate but I also focus on practicing forms and shading and technique. probably because I started art later in life and have a lot to catch up on.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to ActsofArt [2012-07-28 11:42:33 +0000 UTC]

Cool people know who the other cool people are and who the uncool people are. They know these things because they are cool. If you don't know this then you are probably not cool. If I am wrong about this, would some cool person kindly correct me and tell me where I can pick up my "in" crowd membership card. I am so desperate to be loved. Thanks.

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ActsofArt In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-30 19:09:17 +0000 UTC]

I don't even know what this is a response to. I never stated anything about being cool I didn't even state that you had to be cool. I stated the feeling I had about movements, but since I've never actually been a part of one this was just as I stated a feeling. but maybe it's because I've never been part of one that makes me feel exactly the way I do.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to ActsofArt [2012-07-30 20:42:12 +0000 UTC]

Sorry. It's intended to be a response to:
"...I feel that movements sort of turn art into a popularity contest. this one style is popular and if you don't do it you're not "in"
I'm afraid I went off on my own path and reinterpreted what you wrote in terms of my middle school experiences with cliques an "in" crowds.
I agree with what you said. I am not commenting on you personally in any way. How could I? I don't know you. In my comment I am playing the role of a person trapped in a desperate need to be popular or as I put it "cool". This has almost nothing to do with your comment other than what I stated above. So why would I do such a thing? I am just weird that way. Not everyone one is sane and well adjusted.

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ActsofArt In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-30 21:33:45 +0000 UTC]

oh! okay I totally missed that.
well adjusted is an illusory term to make those who don't fit in or who don't conform to popular ideas uncomfortable and is used to vindicate those who do conform or otherwise have no original or creative thoughts of their own.
nobody is well adjusted and those who think they are, are blind to the strife and struggle of the every day world.
To make things clear this too really has nothing to do with your comment except on that of the term well-adjusted. I couldn't help myself.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to ActsofArt [2012-07-30 21:40:32 +0000 UTC]

What?! You missed that? You mean you can't read my mind? What if no one could read my mind? If true, I might have to totally change the way I communicate with people.

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ActsofArt In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-30 21:49:03 +0000 UTC]

lol.
well with your explanation it suddenly seemed so obvious and I felt I should have picked up on it/ I often use sarcasm or dry humor myself which doesn't translate so well through text and I often end up having to explain said sarcasm and humorous intention...

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LiliWrites In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 19:11:14 +0000 UTC]

Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?

I think that if all art became apolitical we would lose a great tool for human communication. Some of the most fundamental changes in human society were driven by artists, and some of them still are. That said, there's a very high value in art that is created for the sake of it being art. Message or none, sometimes art is just enjoyable to look at.

Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?

I'm not educated enough in the art world to really make a comment here. I'm much more of a reader, even on dA, than an art viewer.

Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?

First I figure out if I like or dislike a piece. Generally, if I do like it the message is apparent quite quickly. As I said, I'm not particularly educated in art themes or techniques, so I don't bring much sophistication to my art viewing. But if it makes me think or reminds me of something that is important to me, I generally feel like that is a good piece of artwork.

And of course if there's a "wow" factor, the message doesn't really matter. xD

In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?

I write, so messages and themes are pretty much paramount to my work. If you don't have a reason to be writing, your readers will not find a reason to read. xD

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LuridShadow In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 19:03:38 +0000 UTC]

Art
The question behind the question "Birth of a New Category or Beginning of the End of Categories?" is a kind of the question "What is Art?".
Some would say Art is a subject, you study and make art, which means you know how to use techniques to create illusions of imaginations. I asked for example a friend, he said "Art is when you know how to...[build huge pictures which you just can see out of a helicopter]".
I was disappointed by this answer.
I thought if this is art a machine would be the greatest artist.
Watching Art is something special to people... traditional art and also "modern" art ( i don't mean digital art) does give something to people... emotions, thoughts or even philosophical ideas...
A nice describtion of Art or maybe the best I got was the one of my little brother (9 years old). He said "Art opens worlds by watching it"...
To come back to the main question, the classification of Art is made by human to understand some pieces of art better. But this is most times bound to its age (does the artist created it right after a war... while a revolution... new inventions... and so on).
We classify To understand,
but is the classification really necessary to understand
or rather
do we have to understand most pieces before we can classify them (especially the modern art?)?
We understand To classify.
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In my Opinion all this classification/categorization became dead and useless when Artists tried to create Art which directly "communicates" with the audience, give the intended idea to them or rather opens the world it is made for to the "Art-Explorer".

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SeanMcFarland In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 18:59:56 +0000 UTC]

1. Room for both. The room is infinite.
2. I like the post modern label in that it has absolutely no value. Only takes a few people to start a movement, anyone interested in starting one just for the lols?
3. I don't try and figure out their intention, but sometimes it does slap you in the face a bit. Art is so subjective I feel you should bring your own meaning to the party.
4. No message intended from me; ever. I'll leave it all to my subconcious.

I actually get irritated if a message is too explicitly made at times. I think it needs to work as a visual expression primarily, any deeper messages should be left for the viewer to uncover.

It is one of the reasons why political cartooning is often so irksome to me; the completely un-necessary labeling.

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to SeanMcFarland [2012-07-28 11:52:23 +0000 UTC]

I just read a comment posted later where someone suggested starting a "Chuck Norris Fighting a Unicorn" movement. If anyone wants to ban this person from deviantART, I will support that ban. Is this an art site or an insane asylum?

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SeanMcFarland In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-28 12:07:23 +0000 UTC]

Ha! I don't know, I suppose meme-ism could be a thing...

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SalvidorMonkey In reply to SalvidorMonkey [2012-07-28 11:57:57 +0000 UTC]

Come to think about it...all of sudden I am overflowing with cool ideas for Chuck Norris/Unicorn deviations! If anyone would like petition deviantART to create a new "Chuck Norris Fighting a Unicorn" category, I will support that petition. Forget what I said before.

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DarkBrainComics In reply to ??? [2012-07-27 18:05:24 +0000 UTC]

Not a fan of labels - art is what it is and should be enjoyed.

Interesting shot of the monkey - that is pretty riveting and engaging - disturbing and emotional - intensely graphic. Luckily for us, no sexuality existed, or we might not have seen that gripping art... /stare

Maybe I should invent "DenyArtDueToSexualityIsm" which, frankly, is pretty commonly practiced.

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JadoaEsraOhn In reply to DarkBrainComics [2012-07-29 20:24:11 +0000 UTC]

Heh.. heh.. heh.. very true. Did you see the episode of southpark that explored the "DenyArtDueToSexualityIsm" movement?

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DarkBrainComics In reply to JadoaEsraOhn [2012-07-30 01:26:27 +0000 UTC]

NO! I MUST SEE IT! Thx!

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JadoaEsraOhn In reply to DarkBrainComics [2012-07-30 01:52:21 +0000 UTC]

Look up "Let's fighting love." The name of the episode is "fun with weapons."

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DarkBrainComics In reply to JadoaEsraOhn [2012-07-31 11:21:56 +0000 UTC]

awww... poor butters! and the message is so true!

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