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No gods, no masters is an anarchist and labor slogan. Its English origin comes from a pamphlet handed out by the Industrial Workers of the World during the 1912 Lawrence Textile Strike.
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Actually humans naturally form society's and make rules to govern them (government)
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Nature is everything, nature is chaos and order melded into one. One extreme too far in any direction is weak and will never rule all.
light and dark, male and female, positive and negative, yin and yang, etc.
but don't forget the act of nothingness, neither order or chaos but no action or reaction.
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"A mind cannot be control" indeed - I keep telling people not to type like morons and try to make sense of the bullshit they say and it never works.
"A mind cannot be controLED". CONTROLLED.
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No, Anarchy is your fifth-grade gym class for all of eternity. Whichever testosterone-laden lout has the biggest muscles gets all the lunch money. Forever.
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This page sure has inspired some debates (and outright rude, offtopic comments)
I like your wallpaper, but I disagree with the quote; these governments obviously can control the mind because they do every day. Every time a person stops at a stop sign he is being controlled by the governments' laws and regulations. However, we do like to picture ourselves as strong independent people- that's why the quote sounds good, because we want to believe that it is true. But whatever, that's my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own.
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Peace brother, at one point this might have been true but not anymore. People have had their minds enslaved and it's been going on forever, government controlled media, Fluoride in our water, government controlled education. They have their dirty fingers in it all and they have been lying to us since the start. Let's face facts, it's hopeless at this point. We can only worry about ourselves and our own survival. People don't care enough to listen unless it directly effects them and even when it does they still would refuse to believe it or just turn their heads, it sickens me how enslaved the human race has become.
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I like how no one has mentioned that one of the lines has a typo. "But a mind cannot be control." I'm 100% certain the last word in that sentence should be controlled.
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that is without doubt the coolest thing i have ever seen ANARCHY FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh you can be sure this will be MY desctop.
Love it
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not to worry, I'm a survivalist, ill be just fine on my own
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Anarchny is the nature of all thing, my ass
If so, then why is it that almost all social animals on the face of this earth (Lions, wolves, some fish, some birds, most cattle, most primates), have a very rigid social hierarchy with sets of rules that they all must follow (such as eating order, mating rituals, and place in the herd/pride/whatever) that almost always includes an alpha male which makes most executives decisions for the group.
So, in all actuality, Monarchy is the nature of all things, a nice little reality check for all of you anarchists out here.
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My reply is to number three ^^^ Ummm not true at all that statement is not true at all cause only about 3o or 40% of anarchists would not live and ummm we have our thoughts and you guys have yours so why dont you just fuck off and leave us alone bud ill fuckin hunt you down and and give you an Italian Neck Tie.!!! (Slit your throat and pull your tongue through the slit 
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Hmm, the true question is how seriously to take this. If your grasp on anarchism, and the world in general, is anything like your grasp on punctuation then I would suggest you gain a basic knowledge of what your talking about before you go and smart off.
By the way, I'm United States Marine Corps Infantryman and designated marksman. Unlike you I've actually dealt with dead bodies, and have had people try to kill me. You would be dead before you got anywhere near me
Educate yourself and quit wasting my time.
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Well Umm I Thank You Soo Much For Serving Our Country Sir And Im Sorry For Being A Dick Head. I Am Actually In A Military Prep Program And I Am Heading For The Marines My Self And I Would Be Honored If You Could Give Me Some Pointers About The Basic Stuff. And Yah I Only Go Around To Different Web Sites And Pull Peoples Legs About The Stuff They Dont Agree On And About That Italian Neck Tie I Would And Could Neve Do That To Some One Like I Cant Even Kill A Spider Let Alone A Human. And Sir No Means To Put You To Shame But My Whole Family Has Served In The Marines My Uncle James Was A Top Sniper Man. MyWell Umm I Thank You Soo Much For Serving Our Country Sir And Im Sorry For Being A Dick Head. I Am Actually In A Military Prep Program And I Am Heading For The Marines My Self And I Would Be Honored If You Could Give Me Some Pointers About The Basic Stuff. And Yah I Only Go Around To Different Web Sites And Pull Peoples Legs About The Stuff They Dont Agree On And About That Italian Neck Tie I Would And Could Neve Do That To Some One Like I Cant Even Kill A Spider Let Alone A Human. And Sir No Means To Put You To Shame But My Whole Family Has Served In The Marines My Uncle James Was A Top Sniper Man. My Other Uncle John Is Now In The Marines And He Is A Mortar Man And My Other Uncle Tony Is In Was In The Army And My Other Uncle Greg Was In The Army Also. But I Am So So So Honored To Have Had You To Serve For Our Country And Keep Me Safe And Just Think There Will Be A Time Were I Will Be Keeping You Safe God Bless You Sir And Thank You.!
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Rojer that, no harm done (next time do some research before you fire off, there are plenty of coffee shop bitches on this site to harass. If you went to my profile you'd see a massive pic of me with my LMG at mountain warfare survival training. Look for people who have obviously never experienced the world outside their mother's basement, it more fun that way).
On the marines, my suggestion is, while your in training, stay quiet and absorb as much information as possible, and remember that nothing is personal. Also, as a rule of thumb, if you can't tell someone what you were thinking it's probably a very bad idea.
Also keep in mind that when/if you make it to the fleet your a fucking boot. Your seniors are, for the most part, much better at their job than you. Learn from them and do what they say, and don't assume that anything you learned in basic is still relevant when your get to an actual unit.
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The point of Anarchy, is freedom, no overall control. Yes humans are social creatures, but we only take care of their own, and any form of government is by nature control.
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Thanks Budd i appreciate the pointers.
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Ignorance is bliss, and you are a patriot to a government that could care less about you or anyone else.
Congratulations sheep
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Your right, ignorance is bliss, was I an ignorant sheeple I would be living a much happier existence. The problem is that you and I have a much different definition of sheep. You see, being a fountainhead for some NWO "fuck the man" group is just a bad as being a fountainhead for the man itself. Me, I prescribe to no man's doctrine except Catholicism. So, you could call me a mindless fountainhead for the Papacy, but I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it. On my patriotism, your damn right I'm proud to be American, however am not particularly proud of most Americans. I'm also proud to be a Cajun, a Catholic, a conservative, and a survivalist, so you can shove it. Go back to utube a gorge yourself on self inflating anarchist propaganda, when your willing to accept the world of gray shades you come talk to me.
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Wow, I hope you know that you typing out a comment the size of a book doesn't help your argument. Your entire comment makes you look like a fool over compensating to prove his point, but it is obvious you have no point. I like to keep things short and sweet, so forgive me if I used words you've heard before on websites you obviously peruse. So your point is you condone mass murder and slavery because you appreciate the comfort of living in a modern society controlled by Governments and corporations that ignore morality, love, freedom and goodness.
I'm convinced now that you have no morality, brain or spine for that matter.
I have actually studied history, science, philosophy and everything else you can think of. If you think I'm not aware of the fact that humanity has been so manipulated for so long, and the Government so corrupt that all hope is lost I've pretty much established that a long time ago. I believe in bigger more important things other than eating McDonald's and trying to boost my ego on a computer, but if that makes you feel good about yourself keep it up buddy.
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Response of first comment
Hmm, from what I've seem of your presence on this site (which contains no actual art). I gather your grasp on the reality of this world in tenuous, at best. But that's okay, some people enjoy the "honor" of warping their existence into a fountain-head for similarly detached new agers and philosophers. And I guess that's your right, some of us just prefer to keep our lives grounded in reality.
On the military. I wonder how much you actually know about the military and its workings. I'm sure you can spout what your fed by your blogosphere, but can you actually tell me anything about the facts. Who do you think was first on the scene after the Haiti earthquake or any Natural disaster that happens in the America's, who do you think spear-headed the rescue effort after Katrina. Who do you think guards our embassies abroad. If the military didn't give a fuck about freedom of speech we would have killed that pastor that was burning Korans or that church that protests at military funerals. You can, and probably will, continue to demonize the military, and that just the nature of ignorant, ill-informed, hippie trash like yourself. And I will continue to stand ready to defend your ignorant ass against the myriad of groups that wish to take it away.
On stupidity, "you" may have concluded many things, and to your own eyes I'm sure those views are incontrovertible. However, "we" have concluded nothing because "you" will not respond intelligently to my statements or back up any of your statements with facts. This make your testimony as wispy and groundless as the fairy world you seem to live in.
Response to second comment
"love, freedom, and goodness" I find anyone to tries to apply the adjectives "love and goodness" to anything incredibly naive, and even more so if they think that their views uphold such values. If you want morality, look to god, man is a inherently immoral creature. You cry about the evils (however, which evils and the implementation of such evils you don't care about) of the government (which you probably don't understand) and the corporations (which you know nothing about) You see, your like Marx, you uphold these great and lofty ideals (which aren't even your own), but you know nothing about human nature or humanity in general. You claim to hold unquestionable ideals because you study philosophy (the study of love, not facts). You see, my sister played that whole philosophy game, and said its a load of shit where professors pawn off their opinions on students and teach their pupils that they are demigods of thought. That their opinions are inherently superior to those who have not been indoctrinated. That they are above facts and logic because they alone are privy the mystical truths which hold our world together. I'm sure that from your lofty perch, my opinions and facts mean nothing, so whatever I say in really unimportant, something to be brushed off and discarded.
You'll forgive me for being lengthy (or not, it doesn't particularly matter to me), I like to back up my points with facts, even though I know that facts and quantitative evidence must mean nothing to one so removed and "elevated" as yourself. Also, I may be a fool, but at least I'm not an ignorant fool. When you say "short and "sweet" you mean that you like to spout one liners and epithets without any backing or facts. Such tactics have been used by brainwashed "enlightened progressives" like yourself since time began.
Next up, our society, I live in it, but you my friend are dependent on it. The saddest part is that you don't even realize it. If the government were to collapse today I have the skill set and supplies to live on. You, i am quite certain, do not. Of course you will say that our society has been corrupt for so long, I wonder, what society do you consider perfect, Anarchy. I've had this argument before, this utopic view you have of anarchy is pitiful. If you want to know about anarchy, talk to the survivalists, they've got the most realistic view I've seen thus far.
On the bigger and better things you believe in. What have you actually done to further those beliefs, have you done anything except bitch, moan, and complain about the supposed corruption of the government. At least I stood up to be counted when I joined the military. You and your coffee shop revolutionaries are pitiful and will never accomplish your goals because you're not willing to actually work at it. This is the fundamental difference between you and me, you are a talker, I'm a doer. You will never convince I am wrong because I have the armor of facts on my side. I will never convince you that you are wrong because you have become adept so living in your fantasy world and discounting facts as the drivel of the unenlightened. How very unfortunate for you.
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Oh and I am going to be a teacher so I can really make a difference in this world and hopefully change some minds and hearts, that's how I use my knowledge and morality for progress, unlike you who has neither apparently and offer nothing to society.
You attack my art on my page? Really? How pathetic are you? I draw pretty well, I'm not an amazing artist but at least I have some for of artistic expression.
1. Punishment must be cruel and unusual to be effective
2. If you don't like the U.S. you can leave, we don't want you anyway.
3. 90% of anarchists would die during the first few hours of an anarchy.
That is all someone needs to read in order to find out who you are as a person, a ignorant fake patriot that works for the establishment and denies any alternative ways of thinking because you are content living within a society full of pain and anguish as long as you have money in your pocket and a job to do.
Congratulations on being you my friend, I hope death is easy for you and God has mercy on your pathetic soul.
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First of all, you have said nothing factual unless you consider your moronic assumptions about me (someone whom you know nothing about) are really true, then in that case just keep living in your own made up reality.
You're obviously half way intelligent, I wont deny that, yet you spout insults and ignorance as if you are a pathetic little child on a play ground. I do not peruse Anarchist sites, read blogs, or drink coffee, so those statements just make you look even more childish than you already are. Is it stupidity or egotistical immaturity that drives you to make these ignorant comments?
I'm an idealist that believes in God, and the goodness in humanity, we are capable of both good and evil, but those that control our world are very evil. If you don't know this then you are truly blind, and hopeless. The human brain can be very easily manipulated, you are living proof of that because you are a fool who actually believes he is making a difference and fighting for just causes.
I can't stand up to the big machine, no one can. It would be a foolish endeavor unless all of humanity were behind me, but most of humanity are mindless animals so it would take quite allot to wake up the masses. Things have always been this way, you have the rich and powerful and the surfs and soldiers, you exist for the should purpose of carrying out the Governments plans.
All knowledge is self knowledge, I on the other hand have studied many different things, even subjects I never necessarily agreed with. I've read the Tao, the bible, the Quran, the Mahabharata, I've studied quantum physics and biology, I've studied many many different things that you probably don't even consider in your daily life or know anything about, but you talk a big game soldier.
I respect anyone who is willing to join the military for the right reasons, I almost joined myself, but then I woke up and realized I didn't want to kill or die for someones greed. People such as yourself that hold their position above others are just sad, it makes you look pathetic, not heroic. Being a soldier doesn't make you special either, it makes you even more of a mindless slave, being sent where ever the government tells you to fight for causes you know nothing about. Point and shoot, that's your job, and yes the military does have other functions such as humanitarian relief for disasters and so on and so forth, but that is a small fraction of the military's true purpose.
We have been locked in this unjustified war with Islam/Iraq/Afghanistan for almost 10 years, 40 percent of troops that go to the middle east come home addicted to Opium and form addictions to pharmaceuticals like Oxycontin and Lora-tabs, I know from both personal experience and studying, the same thing happened in Vietnam but not as severely. Millions are spent daily, thousands have died, innocent people, all the while back home where help is really needed we have the highest unemployment rate since the great depression and our economy is declining fast.
War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing...ever heard that song? Maybe you should listen to it again...
With all that being said, and trust me I could write an entire thesis on how stupid you've displayed yourself and how wrong you are, but I prefer not to write long comments, especially considering you are probably totally lost and can't listen to reason or any truth about REALITY, you are the one that is disconnected from the real world my friend not me.
If you are willing to stop acting like a sad scared little child then I would be more than willing to have a normal decent conversation with you about FACTS and REALITY.
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Instinct and nature in animals are much different, they live their lives under the laws of nature not the laws of man. We have evolved into this amazing species for a reason, and being controlled by corrupt governments and huge corporations is not one of them.
You obviously know nothing about government or human nature, we all have it with in us to branch out and find our own path. That is anarchy, self control and enlightenment. We are told that our humanity is primitive and we are just animals, but it is a lie. That is why they poison our food and drinking water, that is why they brain wash us with movies and television. So that fools like you are so convinced that this is how life truly is meant to be you except slavery, not only except your own slavery but you fight for it.
You and all people like you are living proof that the controllers of society have done their jobs well, they have created mindless zombies with no real individuality or thought.
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I don't know what your talking about, I been living under the laws of nature for quite some time now. The man that appeals to the law of man is either a fool or a coward, and he who relies on it is both.
Now, I'm not sure whether or not you actually read what you write, but I need to know if you realize how drone-ish and ignorant your post makes your sound. "find our own path" "enlightenment" "poison our food and drinking water" "brainwash us with movies and television" "except (it's accept, by the way) slavery" "created mindless zombies with no real individuality or thought". Come on, you've just all but proved your rehashing garbage you've collected from some new world order anarchist crazy. If you want to be taken seriously fire off some facts, tone down your language, and engage in something at least resembling intelligent conservation. Sounding like a anarchist propaganda reel is going to get you nowhere.
Son, not to destroy your delusions about are world, but most of the things you awe at and take for granted have come about for two reasons. The first is slave labor, both literally and figuratively. The pyramids, and the skyscrapers, did not build themselves. The second is work for reward. You think Edison invented electricity because he was trying to give back to society. No, he was trying to make money and garner popularity. For this work reward to function, someone has to pay for the ideas. This is where the government and evil corporations come in. The government pays for things that kill people and the corporation pays for things that they can mass produce. This control, which you cry about, is the price you pay for things like potable water, electricity, and most of the modern conveniences you take for granted. On human nature, you think the average human seeks self control and enlightenment. Son, most humans want nothing more than to be controlled, and you should be happy about that, because it's the submissive masses that keep the gears of society moving. Without the workers, and their task-masters, no-one would operate the massive machine you rely on. The fact that you can't accept your reliance on that machine is pretty sad. If you truly wanted to be free you would move off grid and become self reliant. However, I'm willing to bet that you use grid power, city water, central heat, and buy your food from the local grocery store. You see, a true anarchy, such as the one that occurred in between hurricane Katrina and the subsequent government intervention, is a Messy, violent free-for-all. In that situation, your ability to use a gun will be much more useful than anything you've been fed at your anarchy fan sites.
On the drinking water and food. Dig a well, raise livestock and grow food. It's not hard, and when you topple the government you will have to, or simply face starvation.
On the media. If you can't tell the difference between holly-wood bias (which is leftist / socialist more often than not) and reality it's for own fault. Hey, someone has to make my food and McDonald's.
On excepting slavery, I'll never convince you that I'm anything but a brainwashed government tool, so this rebuttal is pretty useless. In any case, I can assure you that the things I fight for are many (which include your freedom to spout ignorance and stupidity). However, slavery is not among them.
On your third paragraph, umm, right, uh okay.
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You fight for my right to speak "freedom of speech"?
Hm, if you mean you're in the military then I seriously hope you're joking...
Is there really any reason for me to keep talking to you? I think we have concluded who the stupid one is here.
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You sure are full of yourself soldier, but you're nothing more than a lap dog. You're sent to war to fight for control and world domination, not freedom. They could careless if you get blown to pieces, your job is to kill people and die.
Now I'm really convinced your mindless, wow, really...just wow.
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Anarchy is utopian, within anarchy all humans have total personal freedom and are no longer exploited for gain. If you are saying that it would be better to base our society off the actions of primates then I would kindly ask you to discreetly exit the human race, us evolved people will build a utopian society on earth while the you club eachother for raw meat. Reality check, humans have the option to forsake exploitation for freedom, animals do not and coincidentally have a worse quality of life than humans.
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First off, out of pure curiosity I have to wonder if you realized how ignorant/bigoted you sounded when you opened your argument with "anarchy is utopian" Now, the rest of your comment plays out more like some sort of disjointed manifesto than a cognoscente argument, however for the sake of argument I will try to address your points as cordially as possible. First off, if you notice I never said that I agree with the notion of monarchy. In fact, I make no declaration of any kind regarding my personal beliefs in my comment. I was merely refuting the statement of the author by pointing out the sweeping discrepancy of his statement. To do this I merely showed that his stating, saying that anarchy is natural, is completely false, and to do that I pointed out that most of the intelligent life on this planet, is set up as a dictatorship, therefore what I said was true, irregardless of what I actually think.
With that said the rest of your comment seem pretty pointless as you try to equate me some sort of dictatorial supporter/primitive meat head that has no grasp on the fact that human are just the slightest bit different from our fiends in the animal kingdom.
On a slightly less diplomatic tone. Reality Check, learn to understand the point of the writer before you make yourself out to be a idiot. Also, anarchy is not utopian, its an unstable and unsustainable system easily extorted/assimilated by power hungry despots and that's not even true anarchy, which would eventually devolve into a lawless distopia if it was allowed to continue.
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I'd just like to point out that "irregardless" isn't a word, and if it were, it would mean "not regardless."
On topic, a monarchy is formed by the will of an individual to establish a government based upon the will of him/herself. This would be an individual objective, not an objective of the masses. You also can't say that everyone just conforms to the formation of the new monarchy, because people don't always do that. You always have "exceptions" which are due to the anarchical nature of man's mind to govern oneself, regardless of consequences. Though the exceptions are rather ineffective in the destruction of said monarchy, wouldn't they often be due to the monarch being stronger than the individual? Not every individual who does or will think in the same way of this "exceptional" individual will rise up at the same time, will they? They rarely do, as history points out. Could this be any evidence of an anarchical nature? However, as tensions build, every government is eventually overthrown. Why? Perhaps because people are, by nature, anarchical? They wish to overthrow the current order?
Be all that as it may, it is nature for those who wish to establish order - by their own morals and values - to be victorious over those who do not. After all, the objective of a government is to exact control over the masses - even if it were not, it is always a by-product.
If you look at the childhood of human beings, isn't it often characterized by the unruliness of the children? A parent can tell them something once, twice, three times - it doesn't matter. The child will often do what he/she wishes anyway. I wouldn't say that this is based off of the monarchical nature of man - unless the child wishes to believe that he is a monarch, in which case any semblance of anarchy would be mislabeled as delusional monarchy within an individual. I suppose anarchists could be called delusional monarchists, but in that case, it would be great if you'd say that the nature of things is delusional monarchy.
On another point, do you really believe that 90% of anarchists would die during a the first few hours of an anarchy? Anarchy is based upon the belief of self-government. You don't believe that people have any morals or self-restraints based upon kindness? Putting myself in that situation, I could see where a human being, born and raised in an anarchical setting, would sympathize with another and NOT kill someone over a piece of meat.
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irregardless is a word in common usage, that's the key phrase here Durant.
On topic, you seem to have a very Eucharistic view of humanity's leadership potential. The gibbering masses of this world are perfectly happy to be governed, and they don't particularly care what kind of government it is. So, yes, a monarchy is established by an individual who has the capacity, or at least good fortune to land himself in a position of power. Most people could really care less how they're ruled, as long as the status quo is maintained. In any case, those who want to be rebellious would have to deal the security forces of the monarch. Ive seen the way some of you anarchists handle guns, the streets would be lined with your corpses.
On "anarchical" nature or "inner monarchical" nature, lets look at the Wiemar republic in 1939, lots of people were willing to discard a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, which eventually had to be put down by one of the largest military campaigns in human history. Of course, bring Hitler into a conversation too often as the effect of destroying the civil nature of any argument. So we will look at the ancient Romans, who were just trilled to throw out their democracy and replace it with a totalitarian dictatorship that lasted hundreds of years. There's also the Russians in 1910, who got so fet up they actually managed to overthrow the monarchy, only to replace it with another dictatorship within ten years. We can also look at the first human hunter-gatherers, from the onset of our existence we formed tribes with chiefs who would almost absolute authority.
Next up, so are you saying that anarchists are childish, that great but I already knew that. Seriously though, the reason that children are often rebellious is because they're trying to learn, often in the wrong ways. I mean, I'm sure who could say that children being rebellious makes them anarchical, but the thing is that children grow up into fully functioning adults (in most cases) and the rebelliousness fades into memory.
On my signature, yes, in a true anarchy 90% of the self proclaimed anarchists of this world would die. You see, unlike most of the people in this world Ive had first hand experience with a real anarchy, in the form of post Katrina new Orleans. I'm part of a marine corps infantry unit who's battle history includes the battle of Fallujah, the battle of Ramadi, the Kornegal valley, and Marjah. Ive seen, or heard stories, about some of the worst battles and places in recent history, I know exactly what will happen in the absence of government, and its not pretty.
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First off, I'm pretty sure you read every other word that I've written. You've only half-addressed most points, skipped parts, and those half-addresses only half-relate to what I've said.
Yeah, yeah, alright. Irregardless may well be a word in common usage over where you are. An example of correct grammar in the ghetto might be: "Shut yo bald head n*gga head a** up." Meh.
I'm not sure what you mean by Eucharistic here, as it seems out of context. I'm pretty sure I don't have a Eucharistic view, anyway. But that's not very relevant. I'm pretty sure everyone I know cares about how they're governed. I mean, hell, don't we have people who vote on the passage of laws here in the U.S.? And I'm sure you've seen plenty of half-witted idiotic anarchists handling guns like 5 year olds. I'm also sure you've seen plenty of Christians who act like Christian and many who don't. You're not thinking about what you /haven't/ seen. That would be intelligent anarchists. And, of course, you could go on to say that that's because they don't exist, and come off as logically backed as someone who refutes the existence of toast when they've lived in a cave for all of their life. Take WikiLeaks for example. That's an anarchical organization. They have the potential to expose documents which could help destroy governments, by giving people who CAN handle a gun an idea of what their government hasn't been telling them. Oh, and I never said I was anarchist. I am, however, defending anarchism and the viewpoint of the author. Common sense might tell you that assuming can be bad.
I'm not sure you listened at all about anything I've said about anarchical nature. I never said "inner monarchical," albeit I said "delusional monarchy." All of these historical examples you've given haven't exactly helped your case here. For example, though the Romans were /thrilled/ (unless you meant "trilled," maybe it's in common usage over there) to set up a totalitarian dictatorship, it was in each individual's mind who contributed to the establishment of said government the inner desire to have themselves be governed in said way. It is thereby anarchical (which is, by definition, by ways of self-government) to set up a dictatorship.
I appreciate your wonderfully mature attempt at comedy in the form of insulting anarchists. I'm almost completely certain that that kid whose mother told him he couldn't have a cookie, but that took one anyway, was NOT trying to learn. Translation: rebelliousness in children is not due to an attempt to learn. The reason children are no longer rebellious is that they are taught by adults who have the power to beat it into their brains that rebelliousness is wrong. You wouldn't say that a person who had never been taught anything about rebelliousness would be a calm, civil person, would you? Wouldn't they be a prime example of rebellion? Someone who had never conformed, never submitted to someone else's bidding, be it for their own good or not, would be absolutely unruly and completely self-governing... which translates to anarchical.
Post-Katrina? You mean that storm that left thousands isolated in the middle of a completely uninhabitable climate characterized by apocalyptic floods? Yeah, that would be an example of an anarchy. But it's absolutely foolish to believe that that's an example of how all anarchies would play out. If there was an anarchy in the middle of the a huge landmass, which WASN'T flooded and HAD plants and animals which served as adequate food sources (which implies the existence of water sources), I'm sure we wouldn't have thousands of hunger-crazed, possibly idiotic human beings at each other's throats for that last bottle of water when there's plenty of fresh water around.
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Alright then, if you'll find it in your delusionely monarchical heart to forgive me for the improper use of grammar, ill continue. The good news is, I'm sober this time, and as such might become the slightest bit more coherent. However, I looked over your original post and your prose is under no circumstance the most readable in the world, but I'll do what can to more fully address your complaint.
First off, the word was meant to be "Euphemistic", which has this nasty habit of nulling out your entire first statement. however, that's my fault for improper proofing, so I'm not going to exacerbate the issue. Secondly, everyone you know cares about how their governed, that's fantastic. But where do you usually hang out. The only deviation in your gallery is a poem, which puts you squarely in the liberal arts category. Which, stereotypically speaking, live a simple existence that nevertheless, have a lot of time to spend in coffee houses and the like to contemplate the less important facets of our existence. So, if your fiends are who I think they are, they fall into that group of people that make enough money to be comfortable (though not particularly rich), but more importantly their occupation leaves lot of time for βcontemplationβ. However, this contemplation is not tempered by the necessary experience, responsibility, or hardship to properly quantify the human existence, if such a thing can be done. Of course, you said your not an anarchist, so maybe I should replace anarchistic with sympathetic to the tenants of anarchy. I'll leave it open ended, you choose whatever makes you feel happy. Mind you, my summation may be completely wrong, however, what is true is that your going to coalesce with people like minded to yourself, so if you care about this whole anarchy thing, its a good bet your friends aren't all that far off the mark either. Hmm, was that me assuming, how irresponsible of me, but I think ill manage.
Now, I live in a quite different world. Though my military service, and beforehand, my experience is a bit more varied and expansive. The marine corps brings together all types, so I've managed to get a somewhat more wholesome sampling of the human range. Irregardless, lets looks at the numbers, on average, less than half of America bothers to vote in most elections, and the number usually stands in the 30 percentile range. And remember, voting is easy, you don't even have to work for it. Now, what if it was to get harder, what if you actually had to fight for it, then the number of complacent side-liners would grow exponentially. You see, most people could care less about how their governed, even those dependent on it, as long as the well-fare checks keep coming in, and the status-quo is maintained. If you don't believe me, go to the local gas station, and ask the clerk who his governing officials are, the speaker of the house, and his local representatives, the supreme court justices. If he/she doesn't know who his leaders are, do you think they really care about whats going on the government's level.
Next up, you ask me to look at what I haven't seen, well, guess what, I can say without a shadow of a doubt I've seen quite a bit more than you. In any case, I'll entertain the fact that there are intelligent anarchists out there, and I know that there are. However, from the ones I've seen, their very naive, and somewhat sheltered, for exposed in such a way that their thinking is hopelessly biased. They think about the human existence in a way similar to, say, Karl Marx. They reduce the complexity of the human mind to some euphemistic maxim. In Marx's case, he assumed humans would act like insects, given the opportunity. In the anarchists' case, you assume that humans want to, or even have the capability to, take care of themselves, and govern themselves in a responsible manner. As for myself, I have the common sense to know that humanity is not unlike any other species, you have the exceptional ones, and the ones who can't think for five minutes outside their own asshole. However, I do know that all people have a survival drive, something that often lays dormant given the nature of society today and its multiple safety nets. However when the more animalistic side of someone surfaces, we have law enforcement, or even the military, to reign it in. Now, imagine we live in an anarchy, where everyone is a law and government unto themselves. There is no law enforcement, and there are no safety nets. So those without are going to take from those that have in the most direct manner, violence, because, lets face it, not many of us are diplomats, but we all have fists. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a school trained designated marksman that can pull off rapid head shots at 300 yards with an assault rifle, ill be fine, you and your friends, not so much so.
On wiki leaks, that's a real special site, one that is getting my buddies killed in Afghanistan. However, the founder is not a U.S. citizen so we can't try him, but don't try and roll them off as civilized either, they're just as naive as the rest of the pack because they think exposing government secrets is going to what, ease tension. You see, I know that government's keep secrets, but unlike other people, I don't care, because guess what, everyone does it. Businesses do it when they work together, gamblers do it when they play cards, everyday people keep their secrets as well. What wiki leaks is doing is undermining the political process. And don't get me wrong, I hate the political process, and there are many things I would do to overhaul it, but what wiki leaks is doing is helping no-one, except maybe the insurgents and the tinfoil hat crowd.
On your next paragraph, so your saying that because people are naturally anarchical in nature, they set up a totalitarian dictatorship. Umm, right, now did you even bother to read that over before you posted it, because, in all of my posts, I think that is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, and I've heard quite a few. So did some teacher you had feed you that bullshit or did you come up with it yourself. It's kind of like saying that your so rebellious you conform, interesting (my room mates are laughing at you by the way). The truth of the matter is that Julius Caesar was a very effective leader, but his rise to power came only after a civil war (civil war doesn't really mesh with thrilled). And less than a decade into his reign he was assassinated (something which might put a damper on the fact that the Romans universally wanted to follow Caesar). However, if you want to look at roman time more anarchical in nature, you can study the period directly following the assassination, which was characterized by about four civil wars and general unrest, which culminated in the formation of the Roman Empire.
Also, I'm glad you appreciate my humor, so do I. Also, the fact that the child is after something, or that there is something at all, is irrelevant. The βlearningβ that is going on the the child testing the boundaries of its environment, risk vs reward, and the lengths to which it can go to accomplish its goals. The problem with this is that is that the child is teaching itself about an environment with which it has no experience, which is healthy to a point, because it teaches self reliance. That's where the parent's come in, they should, if their good at their jobs, be able to give the child proper knowledge. Sadly this is not always the case. You talk about raising children as if it is a bad thing, the rebelliousness you seem to like so much is present in all life, and the parents, be they lions, squirrels, cows, or humans, will, hopefully, raise the children in such a way that they can thrive in their environment, and rebelliousness is usually not a part of that thriving process. A human who is not raised properly would not act rebellious, at least not in the way you figure. As I said before, the quality of human you meet on the streets nowadays varies greatly. So, provided your un-raised human doesn't up and die from the stresses of its environment, it will simply work to supply itself with the basic human needs. It will not act rebellious because the reason for rebellion is to test the boundaries of your environment. You won't be testing anything if your busy surviving. Will this lead to socially unacceptable behavior, yes, but not rebellious because the rebellious motive is not there. So, in short, if a person is given no education, on anything, it will be an animal, albeit an intelligence one, that will work to satisfy it's survival instinct, with just the slightest bit of curiosity thrown in for good measure.
On Katrina, yes the storm that left thousands isolated in the middle of New Orleans, I'm so glad you remembered. Now, what is foolish is to believe that an anarchy will be ushered in peacefully. So yes, the beginning of an anarchy could be very similar to the situation posed in Katrina, except replace the water with armed dissidents. Personally I'd rather have the water, I know how to fish and harvest shell fish, and they don't have that nasty habit of shooting at me. Also, you think that adequate food and water sources would curb the violence, that's cute. In any case, the fact that you think a large number of people could support themselves off the land, or even function when deprived of their creature comforts and instant gratification, is incredibly ignorant. You see, I'm something of a survivalist, so I know how hard it is to support yourself off nature, that's why we invented farming, but farming takes a lot of work, and why work when you can steal from other people. On fresh water, there's a rather large difference in between fresh water and potable water, so unless you want fatal diarrhea, it would be important to keep that in mind. Now, I don't really think you care about the specifics of living in the woods, the point here is to expose how little you actually know about what it takes for a modern society to function, and how people will act within that society, you might want to look into it.
Cheers
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