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T Rex: And the police said I had to wear this thing for...
Spino: Six weeks. And I can't leave the cave or it...
T Rex: Sets off an alarm and I'll be...
Spino: Sent to prison. And it was all...
T Rex and Spino: His fault!
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How it would have ended in reality. Bigger doesn't mean stronger. T. Rex had thick necks. A Spino wouldn't be able to bite through it. Also T. Rex had a stronger bite force than Spinosaurus.
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Correct also t-rex had much bigger muscles in legs and neck than the spino
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It could claw through it.
This battle would never happen, even if they had coexisted, because neither side can kill the other on land.
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That final statement is wrong. On land, t.rex would most definitely win. In the water, spinosaurus would most definitely win.
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On land neither can do anything. T. rex isn't built for taking prey bigger than itself (no more than Spinosaurus can hunt on land)
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But T-rex was known to hunt alamosaurus. And in any case, spinosaurus is shorter in height and lighter in weight.
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No evidence for T. rex hunting Alamosaurus. Going by its design I'd say the Utah alamosaur was scavenged.
It may be shorter in height but it's still heavier in weight.
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Yet we don't know for sure yet.
In any case, T-rex has the high grown, strength, speed, and intelligence. On land, he would win. I am not saying they would fight in the first place, as carnivores seem to avoid each other, but if they had to fight, T-rex would win if it was on land
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Strength is debatable (T. rex has the stronegr jaws, but Spino is no pushover in the bite department and it has stronger arms and backbone) and intelligence is a nonstarter for three reasons:
1) Brain size or neocortex size (absolute or relative) has nothing to do with intelligence, therefore it is impossible to know how smart extinct animals were.
2) High intellect is a feature of all predators (all being capable of planning and thinking). No reason to think Spino would be stupid.
3) This is a fight, not a hunt. You don't have time to plan an attack before launching it.
Probably they would avoid each other, but even on land Spinosaurus would not die (though if T. rex decided to run it can never catch up)
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Spino's arms, while longer than T-rex, were still too short to use as a weapon. Especially given its low slung nature. Its true that brain size isn't the most important part of determining intellect, but it is certainly up there.
Now this next statement is kinda stupid. You say that "Probably they would avoid each other, but even on land Spinosaurus would not die". This is assuming that some how, no matter what, T-rex is completely unable to kill spinosaurus no matter how much it attacks or for how long, even if it uses its massively powerful jaws. Um, how? Predators tend to go for the neck. Assuming they do decide to fight, though they would most likely avoid each other, T-rex would be able to bit its neck and kill it almost instantly. Spino's jaws weren't weak, but its teeth were. So, even on land, if T-rex decided to attack, spinosaurus would most certainly die. Case closed.
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WTF?
Have you ever seen a spinosaur arm? They are HUGE.
And do you think any sane animal will just let another animal chomp on its neck?
No its teeth weren't weak. No point in having powerful jaws if your teeth keep breaking. Conical teeth are found in crocodiles, many sharks and ironically tyrannosaurs.
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Sure, they're big, but spinosaurus wouldn't be able to reach rex given how short it is.
Um, I never said that spinosaurus would just let t-rex chomp its neck. Obviously, spino would fight back, but it wouldn't be able to reach any of rex's vital organs with its claws. Rex would over power it until it could get close enough to bite into its neck. Once t-rex gets into its neck, its not letting go.
You're right here, for once, weak isn't really the right word. The word I was looking for was specialized. Conical teeth are good for grabbing. If spino bit into rex, it would be hard to shake off. However, these teeth are bad for tearing or crushing flesh and bone. Crocodile's solve this problem by the death roll, allowing it to tear off chunks of meat. They could also fling the body of smaller prey. Spino couldn't roll over, and couldn't fling an 8 ton giant. It relies on its claws to tear off meat, and in this particular scenario, it wouldn't be able to do that.
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Yes it can. Even with its shorter height its arms should have no problem inflicting wounds.Unless this thing was only 1 foot tall or so its arms are more than long enough to reach most places on the tyrannosaur's body.
T. rex was 6 tons but you're right, it can't fling that. However, conical teeth can still be used for crushing (look at crocs going through turtles).
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That's assuming it could pronate it's hands.
You are correct about them generally
Biomechanics don't lie. T. Rex could crush the neck of the stupid ducky.
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It does not have to pronate its hands to make a sideways swing.
The point is that if T. rex tried to bite the head or neck (which are the only possible parts to land a fatal bite on) its attack would be deflected.
Though I do have to say that it is also impossible for the river monster to do much on land either. Therefore, stalemate match. They cannot kill each other without doing something that would make sure they themselves also die.
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That still would not be able to effect the neck. That's like a house cat take a swipe at a bulldog's neck.
With what?
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If you think those 30cm claws built to tear flesh cannot do damage, especially to a less massive animal, you have to be dumb.
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The claws were for pinning large fish down.
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They were for dismembering according to all sources.
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Did you read that SVP14 abstract?
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Everyone agrees that the claws were the weapons on this thing. That is something that was never disputed.
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Did you even read that abstract? They were probably used on large fish.
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If they were used on large fish they can be used on other large targets.
And i'm not saying it would win on land, just that it can handle itself well enough to not get killed.
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Highly unlikely. The claws were more suited for restraining than killing.
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The jaws did the restraining while the claws did the killing.
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Read the abstract.
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I can't access it.
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Duane Nash posted the entire thing here. antediluviansalad.blogspot.ca/…
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On Spinosaur forelimb robusticity and strenght:
From Ibrahim et al. (2014):
" The forelimb has hypertrophied deltopectoral and olecranon processes for powerful flexion and extension (Fig. 2A)."
From Charig & Milner (1997): pp.42-45:
"As is typical of theropods, all three major bones [of the forelimb] are short, relative to the general size of the animal; but they are also remarkably robust
and wide, relative to their shortness, with stout shafts and broadly expanded ends."
"The distance between the upper end of the humerus and the apex
of the deltopectoral crest is approximately 43% of the entire lengthof the element, while the deltopectoral crest as a whole constitutes
51% of that length. Between the deltopectoral crest and the internal
tuberosity lies the head of the humerus, a thickened region that
articulated with the glenoid. On the medial surface of the proximal expansion, about half-way between the head and the apex of the
deltopectoral crest, is a distinct ridge some 35 mm in length running along a line that is directed towards the centre point of the shaft. This
ridge, which is clearly present on both humeri, is a rounded hump
distally and tapers proximally to become lower and narrower as it
of pectoral approaches the edge of the bone. To the best of our knowledge, no
coracoid similar structure has been found elsewhere; it may be a prominent
insertion for the pectoralis muscle."
"The proximal end [of the ulna] bears an unusually powerful
olecranon, projecting posteromedially beyond the head of the bone."
Sereno et al. (1998): p. 1299
"Complete pectoral and pelvic bones show a
deep subrectangular acromion on the scapula
and a low obturator flange on the ischium. […] The forearm is
remarkably stout, and manual digit III is robust,
as seen in the size of metacarpal III and the third
ungual (Fig. 3 and Table 1)."
An indirect mention from Senter & Robins (2005): p. 313:
"They [the forelimbs of A. atokensis] are the stockiest known theropod forelimbs outside
Spinosauroidea, and their huge muscle scars suggest that
they were heavily muscled and therefore made to be used
in activity involving forces of high magnitude, such as
wrestling with large, violently struggling prey."
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And this is relevent how? Also some of that stuff is older than the abstract.
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Relevant because YES ITS CLAWS ARE WEAPONS AND GOOD ONES.
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Read the abstract. Probably used on large prey only.
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Meaning those claws would be useful to keep its enemy at bay.
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Doesn't matter. Hartman was able to replicate the published proportions so the hind limbs probably were that short unless there is compelling proof otherwise.
What does this mean? It means Spinosaurus wouldn't stand a chance against any large Theropod on land.
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What you are saying does not make sense. Against T. rex I don't see it winning but I don't see it losing either.
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The short legs were probably present. Spinosaurus was low slung and was no match for ANY large theropod on land.
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Even if it was low-slung, it has enough weapons to keep itself from dying, even if it can't kill the opponent.
Young crocodiles can defend themselves rather well against lions, even if there are more than one they usually get a bite in before the numerical disadvantage kills them.
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It was probably really slow on land.
Those are really poor modern analogues.
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Why are crocodiles poor analogues?
If crocodiles, with even shorter legs, can move at some peed on land this thing could as well to avoid bites or deflect attacks.
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That does not mean the claws were not weapons.
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