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Spinosaurus was never designed to be a sauropod killer as morons like you predict....It's a damn piscivore.
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And T. rex is no sauropod killer (unless it is a baby Alamosaurus) either.
They can't really kill each other.
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Retarded statement is retarded.
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The same applies to T. rex. So nobody wins.
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Negative. You're retarded nature makes everything null and void.
We don't know for sure if T.Rex killed the Alamosaurus- but evidence does suggest it ate one, as there are bite marks on a vertebrate of an Alamosaurus. There is only one predator that has the bite force to do something like that: Tyrannosaurus Rex.Β
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Like I said, you really don't have any evidence or proof on that. Stupidity reigns high on you spino fanboys.
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well sorry i'm just a fan of spino
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Exactly. More reason as to why I previously stated about Spino-fan boys..
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I mean not stand a chance
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Of course it could. I'm not saying it would get its ass mopped on the floor and be completely destroyed with no resistance. What I'm saying is that T.Rex has the advantage and would win in most cases and scenarios.
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How so?
Spinosaurus would not be able to crush T-rex's neck bones with it's teeth and the teeth will mostly likely break if it tried.
Spinosaurus was not built for combat and only ate fish, carrions and small dinosaurs.
If T-rex knocked the Spinosaurus over on it's back then it would die, it's spine is very fragile.
So Spinosaurus is actually kind of frail campared to the Rex, sure it could use it's claws but thats it.
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T. rex cannot kill big prey either. It was a medium-sized game specialist.
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Yet it can kill Spinosaurus if they met.
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It cannot. Why, because the latter is just too damn big for T. rex to bite.
A carnosaur on the other hand, with a weaker but much wider-opening and sharper set of jaws could severely wound the spinosaur until it was brought to its knees.
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A Spinosaurus is a very frail dinosaur, you do realise that, right?
It was not built for combat and size dose not matter and yes a T-Rex could bite down on the Spinosaurus's neck and crush the spinal cord, killing the Spino instantly.
Spinosaurus could do damage by biting and clawing but it would not kill a Tyannosaurus maybe if the T-Rex was in water then it would probably lose to a Spino because it was not a great swimmer like the Spinosaurus.
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T. rex COULD NOT bite Spinosaurus.
And Spino was definitely NOT fragile. If it was it would have been unable to handle the 3+ tons fish and crocs that made up most of its diet.
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T. rex COULD NOT bite Spinosaurus.
Then what the hell is T. Rex doing in this deviation? Giving Spino a hickey?
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This is a DRAWING. does not make it true.
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That is correct. The two animals lived at different times.
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Not to mention that biting the larger carnivore would also be impossible IRL.
I'm not saying Spino wins, I can't see that happening unless it was in water. But I cannot see T. rex kill something larger than itself either.
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That is retarded. Anything can bite anything.
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But the gape matters in terms of how much damage a bite does.
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Why are you obsessed with gape? That is unimportant. Carnosaurs didn't have a rather wide gape (except for Allosaurus).
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What? Carnosaurs had wide gapes.
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Why are you so obsessed with gape? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcharoβ¦
Furthermore Spinosaurus wasn't an Alamosaurus compared to T. Rex and it's neck DID fit in it's mouth. You just keep on ignoring the obvious.
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The point still stands. T. rex's bite is suited to armoured prey, not large prey.
Yes its neck could fit in its mouth but it is also the most well-defended part of the body (jaws and large claws). Really there is no place a tyrannosaur can bite it without putting itself at risk, resulting in a stalemate.
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The jaws wouldn't have been any help.
Furthermore the arms were underneath the body. They wouldn't be much help either.
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jaws
-You do realize spinosaur bites are the second-strongest dinosaur bites after tyrannosaurs?
Claws
-so did every other theropod.
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Link plz.
Exactly.
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If all theropods had arms underneath their bodies, and many used them effectively as weapons, this one could have done the same.
as for the bite study,Β
Dr. Manabu Sakamoto back on the dinobase forums around 2009, told me about some unpublished bite force estimates for Baryonyx,Β here . He said 3800 N (854.3 lbs of force). He said the skull he worked with was based on the Baryonyx specimen in the Natural History Museum (NHM) in London. Dr. Sakamoto agreed that it was probably 28 feet long. And from there I just scaled up to a possible 18 meter Baryonyx specimen, keeping in mind that muscular strength (jaw muscles are included in that of course) goes up as a square of the scaling factor, and came to the conclusion that a 18 meter baryonyx would have about a ~2 ton bite.
From there, just came a bit of guess work for an 18 meter spinosaurus, I reasoned that its mandible is significantly deeper than Baryonx's proportionately, that it might yield a bite force 50% greater than a baryonx skull of equal size. Which is where the ~3 ton bite force guess originally came from, as that's 50% greater than 2 tons. I feel a 50% stronger bite force at equal skull lengths is reasonable, considering the often great differences we see in different dog breed bite forces, even when skull length is comparable between breeds.Β
The whole thing is of course, assuming spinosaurus has a skull as proportionately long compared to its body size as baryonyx does, which I believe is fair; dal sasso and crew did estimate the spinosaurus maxilla they worked with in 2005 to be 17-18 meters using the smaller relatives like baryonx to scale from. And afterall, large theropods tend to have proportionately larger skulls than their smaller relatives as a rule, which means I could be underestimating the bite force in actuality.
The baryonyx bite force is unpublished officially, yes, but I spoke with Dr. Sakamoto again in 2010 via e-mail and asked him about the exact same baryonyx bite force figure and he said he is still preparing the theropod bite force estimates that the baryonyx figure comes from, for publication--but that he had other things that took priority at the moment. --So it seems to me that the bite force figure is still viable to discuss, at least within our circles(since we can't add it to wikipedia yet since its still unpublished).Β
Also, within that e-mail I discussed with him the study that you seem to be referencing in your opening, Grey. It is in fact Dr. Sakamoto's study as well, and that was initially the reason I e-mailed him to inquire further about the study, (while asking about the unpublished baronyx bite force figures as an aside). He was kind enough to actually give me the full pdf of it over e-mail. The study is not about bite forces directly, but rather mechanical advantages of skulls. It shows mechanical advantages for dozens of taxa across their whole tooth row. The mechanical advantage of course becomes lesser the further you move away from the 'inlever' (which are the jaw muscles in this case), so that means the closer you are to the jaw muscles, the greater the mechanical advantage (which is obvious to everyone here of course, the back is where you bite hardest). He actually revised the Spinosaurus mechanical advantage stats using a different skull reconstruction later, hereΒ here Β and got higher values. Anyway, if we compare the mechanical advantage of say T.Rex and Spinosaurus, in the back of their tooth row, closest to their jaw muscles, they are actually quite comparable. Spinosaurus mechanical advantage at the back teeth was just about 0.25, whereas T.Rex was at about 0.28. At the front of the skull though, there is a bigger difference. Spinosaurus' mechanical advantage at the front of the tooth row is a little over 0.11, whereas T.Rex's is about 0.16. There are plenty of theropods with greater mechanic advantage values at the back of the tooth row than T.Rex however, Carcharodontosaurus for one, if just looking at equal sized theropods, has a mechanical advantage value of about 0.37 at the back of the tooth row.Β
Anyway, I feel Spinosaurus had to have a pretty hefty bite in absolute terms.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUQjslβ¦
See this Alligator Gar? Being chopped by an axe? Notice how difficult it is to do so, also notice how in one part of the video there are visible sparks made from the axe slashing along the scales? A lot of the types of fish Spinosaurus would have preyed on would have had the same kind of enamel hard ganoid scales, only they would have been even thicker ganoid scales since they belonged to bigger fish. Ganoid scales as you see, are quite hard, Native Americans even made arrow heads out of ganoid scales apparently.
-theROC
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That was done on Baryonyx not Spinosaurus. Furthermore the study I gave you (the one you keep ignoring) is more recent and came up with a lower bite estimate.
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Please realize Spinosaurus is much more robustly built for its size, and note that the earlier study results were scaled up to match Spinosaurus.
Therefore, even with the more recent study, Spinosaurus would have had a stronger bite for its size.
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Robustness andΒ has nothing to do with bite force. Why do you keep ignoring that link to that study? Do the big words scare you?
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Why does it have nothing to do with bite force?
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Spinosaurus has a very thin and long skull and because of that, it dosent have a such a strong jaw set for fighting, the jaw is used for hunting fish and small dinosaurs but it would mostly just catch fish in the water.
The Spinosaurus had alot of fragile bones including the sail and its skull so I have no clue where you got the idea that the Spinosaurus was not fragile because it was.
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The sail can afford to be fragile (and the spines aren't as fragile as you think), because it actually wasn't attached to the back.
The jaws resemble that of slender-snouted crocodiles which still have a formidable bite and can take things like monkeys, deer, and humans.
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Hang on, I think I have confused you. I believe T.Rex would win in a fight against Spinosaurus.Β
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I love Spino more then T-rex but I know it would stand a chance against a T-rex because of it's build.
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How it should have ended.
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They should have used Carcharadontosaurus, Giganotosaurus, or Torvosaurus(the Portugese one) in JP3, then there will be no ****storms about the Tyrannosaurus vs Spinosaurus battle!
I think the outcome is a 30/70 in favor of Spinosaurus.
Spinosaurus isn't a complete piscivore, I don't know why many people think like that. And Spinosaurus can use it's massive claws, which can potentially tip the odds in Spino's favor once more.
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Uhhh....You're also forgetting that T-Rex's biteforce is among the strongest of all terrestrial creatures on this planet. Claws would be basically useless when the animal you face is the same size as you, as Spino's arms are placed directly under its body. It would have to lift its body high to even get that kind of strike. Rex could crush its jaws and basically end it there. And yes, it is mainly a piscivore. There's evidence of dry and wet seasons in the lands it lived in. They also have gone through the isotopes of the Spino's skeleton and found out the isotopes are directly towards related to eating fish, giving a huge reason to suggest it ate fish more than anything. In dry seasons though, it would probably have to scavenge....
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If any of those other dinosaur's beat T. rex, then yes there would still be storms, with good reason.
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I meant about the Spinosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus thing, that face-off would have been an obscure, barely-mentioned face-off rather than a fanboy war...
I know that everytime another dinosaur beats Tyrannosaurus, even if it's something like a 73-tonne Argentinosaurus or so, there would be ****storms, since there's just too much fanboyism around....
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Not really. You're intelligence isn't very high. Argentinosaurus? You're really going to put that as an example? That doesn't even make sense.
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