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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to MrRemoraman [2019-01-25 13:46:24 +0000 UTC]

I believe there’s far more to reality than the dimensions we can perceive.

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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to GodsToiletBrush [2019-01-15 22:36:35 +0000 UTC]

Thanks very much. I think we’re lucky we can only see what little we do.

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GodsToiletBrush In reply to TheDreadfulPencil [2019-01-15 22:43:24 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you there.   There's a lot out there that we can't see and a lot out there we could see but choose not to.

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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to GodsToiletBrush [2019-01-15 23:22:21 +0000 UTC]

I think much of it is due to self-preservation. After all, there is only so much a human brain can withstand.

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GodsToiletBrush In reply to TheDreadfulPencil [2019-01-16 22:34:59 +0000 UTC]

Self-preservation is a really strange thing.  It's natural... but at the same time, it rings unusually... when you take into consideration literature and film... where typically it's about the preservation of the greater whole.  But one brain is one brain... and not the many.  Even the collective consciousness can only handle so much...

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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to GodsToiletBrush [2019-01-16 23:05:28 +0000 UTC]

For the actors and actresses revered through film, in a way they’ve been preserved (though not immortalised, as the preservation will only be for as long as the copies remain, both physically and in interest). None of it matters though and in one hundred years, even the youngest member of society will be at most a fading memory in a brain itself readying for its own demise (of course there are genetic outliers who live far beyond the norm, but I speak in general terms). Everything passes and very little matters, except for the continuation of the species, which one the whole isn’t very nice at all. We all would like to believe that we’re different, special in some way, but like snowflakes (pun intended) we’ll all melt away to nothing just the same. As for the collective consciousness, it will evolve and change with the species, continuing to release its charged energy into riots, wars and unrest as it has always done.

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GodsToiletBrush In reply to TheDreadfulPencil [2019-01-17 01:02:32 +0000 UTC]

That is some high octane Nihilism. Well, some would say... but really it's simply reality.  Da Vinci paintings are 500 years... and they're remembered.  But not everyone was a snowflake... so he stood out... everyone thinks they're special... and people that are will be forgotten just like those talentless folk out there... if only we could lower the population and free up some space... there are a lot of "in the way people" that clog up the collective consciousness... maybe then life would be less bleak... maybe work that we do could be remembered?

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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to GodsToiletBrush [2019-01-17 20:31:07 +0000 UTC]

Paintings from ancient history are remembered because they provide a brief window into an era long gone.
Without them, and using Holbein as an example, we wouldn't know what Henry VIII looked like, or his wives.
Art then was a means of documenting and recording the important figures of the time, or decorating the homes of the wealthy. Art nowadays has little relevance. Since Hockney, Warhol and the Pop Artists, how many artists find a place in the public's consciousness. Very, very few.
Art was always the preserve of the wealthy and priveliged and it was extremely rare for the working class to pursue a career as an artist. Since there were so few, they became revered for their talents and popular in an age without photographs, television or the internet.
Now, with a tablet, anyone can say they're an artist and post their talentless dross to places such as DA and wait for the swarms of uneducated masses to fawn and coo over their contrived crap.
Art nowadays, and I speak of it in its most honest capacity, as a means of self expression and soul searching, is beneficial only to the artist creating it. Even with a world of potential viewers to look at the work, no one appreciates the struggles and sacrifices it takes to be an artist. You only have to take a look at what is promoted as art here within this site on the main pages. Digital copies of fantasy characters isn't art, nor are photographs of oneself, but that's what gets promoted here. People just don't know what art is, anymore. There are painters here who earn a living painting gaudy 'shopping mall' pictures of flamenco dancers and the like and truly believe they're artists. No. They've simply found a way to put paint on a canvas that appeals to the unthinking masses. Art should make us question our beliefs, our values, make us think. Sadly, those who pour their souls into a piece, struggling to make sense of the madness of the world get ignored for pictures of Master Chief, or some wide eyed comic book character.
Real art has no value anymore except to its creator and this will never change. Not since the invasion of the internet and celebrity of YouTube. We've become a vacuous race, but I don't believe that it's population growth that is the real problem. Even if a global war halved our numbers, art would be the last thing on a race struggling to survive.
Technology has forced us way beyond the appreciation of art and this will never change. Those who understand art, those who create art with intellectual and emotional value are dinosaurs living out their last. The comet that spelled their device struck a long time ago.

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GodsToiletBrush In reply to TheDreadfulPencil [2019-01-19 22:08:03 +0000 UTC]

Art should still be for the documenting and recording of important things... be it worldly or personal... but it's all for the clicks. I want to know where the disconnect is other than the names you listed... because I think it's more than their work and that style that ruined the perception of art... while that stuff certainly crushed the art world, I put some blame on the public consciousness. I wish that art was still looked at the important thing that it is... and not just a bunch of teens drawing Sonic and anime characters.

Everyone thinks they're special... free programs allow for you to draw something in 10 minutes and share on every social media outlet... and get your 15 minutes of fame... while people that still pull out oil and paint for days or weeks get left behind. It, frankly, makes me want to quit the game entirely. But I paint for me... at least that's what I tell myself.

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TheDreadfulPencil In reply to GodsToiletBrush [2019-01-21 00:40:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes. There’s no place left for artists to go. I suspect that the further we develop technologically, the more distant art will become in public consciousness. I also believe that the internet has jaded almost every single one of us. With so much information and innumerable images at our fingertips, nothing excites us anymore and little shocks. Add to this the fact that practically any created painting can be viewed as similar in style to something that has been painted before, no wonder art is doomed. But we keep working, holding the once bright torch, reduced to a single ember that we have to constantly blow upon to stay lit.

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