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I say Mateus is the villain equivalent of the Warrior of Light in Dissidia in terms of leadership. Besides Vayne Solidor, Mateus is the only one in the series to lead an empire.Who's empire do you think would win in a war: Vayne of Arcadia, or Mateus of Palamecia?
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LetΒ΄s face it, while we may play the good guys, who would not want to play this guy instead? Seriously, Mateus was an emperor when alive and after he got killed what does he do? Take over BOTH heaven and hell at the same time. If thatΒ΄s not impressive I donΒ΄t know what is...
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Yeah but I always wondered, where did he go after he was defeated? The Void?
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Nah, we've got Exdeath and Cloud of Darkness there already, anymore and it would become crowded....
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Right, right, but where would someone go if they die in the afterlife? The ever-afterlife? See, I think it would have been cool if hell emperor Mateus was one of the bosses in the Interdimensional Rift in Final Fantasy V. I dunno, but then where would he go if he died there... yeah it's confusing.
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Dunno, disappear for good maybe? As for the Rift, I think Enuo is more than enough of a boss to substitute, wouldn't you say?
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I definitely believe Mateus of Palamecia would win the war...
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Just that he took over hell, and at least a part of heaven... Of course, thinking about it, Vayne let nothing (even his own demise) stand in the way of fighting the design and rule of the Occura... I just feel the Emperor would be at least the one to win; still, after II, many main villains were designed after him - even physically in some way.
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Even if Vayne killed the Emperor, he'd just go to hell, take it over, come back ten minutes later, and kick Vayne's ass when his back is turned.
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Or Vayne could just kick the Emperor's ass again?
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The Emperor allowed himself to die so he could simultaneously take over Heaven and Hell. Both halves by themselves are twice as strong as the original Mateus. Imagine if they both reformed into one being. Vayne's goose would be cooked.
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True, but Vayne still has Myst and manufactured nethicite. It would indeed be an interesting battle.
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... Curse you. Now I have to write Vayne Vs. Mateus fanfiction... And I already have a ton of other projects to work on!
At a guess, I'd say Vayne, since he has one of the Ocuria on his side... But then again, Mateus has the armies of hell on his. But Vayne could probably rally the other nations against Mateus, given that he's shown himself to be a master of persuasion. I can't imagine that Palmecia would hold onto allies for very long- apart from those too scared to act against it. With each victory against Palmecia by the empire, Palmecia would lose allies. Smaller nations would want to be on the winning team, after all.
Also- did you know there was a novelization for FF2 in Japan? It changes some things from the game, but apparently an ancient king of Palmecia once made a bargain with the ruler of Hell in exchange for power. Now, each emperor of Palmecia is cursed to act as Hell's puppet on Earth, much like how Raithwall made a pact with the Occuria in exchange for his empire...
I think the heroes of either world would more likely side with Archadia, but then again, it could be fun to have them fighting against both sides!
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Hmm... sounds like an interesting idea. Yeah, I've heard of the novelization, but never read it.
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Mateus FTW!
Vayne is just some bainglorious bastard with no clear direction of what to do, not to mention the fact that he's a puppet of a far greater villain.
Mateus is Sin Incarnate
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I'm late on the game, but honestly - I think it's safe to (at the very least) guess that Emperor Mateus would have been very much like Vayne in his speeches - if we got to see more of his aspect as ruler, and not just his aspect of conqueror. It seems the two characters share an awful lot alike.
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Good point. We see Vayne as a ruler AND a conquerer, whereas Mateus we see as just a conquerer. I -would- like to see more of Mateus leadership.
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Palamecia, being in a desert and built near mountains, doesn't seem to have too many resources, so I'd imagine the country probably got through by trade before Mateus decided to unleash hell(twice), so any ruler would have to be good a negotiation. He also displayed awsome foresight multiple times, what with poisoning a country that had powerful warriors before they had a chance to fight. Judging from how he speaks, he seems very polite, so he may know how to please a crowd.
I know this was more about his character rather than his ability to rule, but he is an interesting antagonist. I mean, they decided to retcon a backstory for Garland, so I hope they elaborate a bit more further down the line for other characters(Like my main [apparantly royal octopus Ultros). Sephy isn't the only bad guy people want to know about.
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I know there's a web comic out there, also on YouTube, where he's shown as addressing the audience as 'peasants'. I don't think that'd be his style. I don't know, 'cause I'm very new to Final Fantasy II, but I just don't believe he'd address even his own people that way. I think he'd be honorable, as long as the respect was maintained on the other side of the conversation as well. And when things got dirty, I think that's when his sly, sarcastic self would emerge the most. But again, just my thoughts, my opinions. I do believe Vayne Solidor and Emperor Mateus Palamecia are similar - cordial, clear and cool headed - but also very calculating in that coolness, they don't betray their thoughts often.
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Ah, yes. Domus Facina. A friend of mine is making that comic. I don't think he was addressing his people so much as us. But yeah, I agree. I think Mateus is the kind of guy that when pushed to the edge, you'll see his true colors.
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What does 'Domus Facina' mean?
Anyhow - I love the one between the Emperor and Ultimecia, where it's not believed that Mateus is the ruler of Demonkind. He summons - oh I forget his name - from the Power Puff Girls. Truly, scary. 
Yeah - I think he's sly and cool over all, taking a lot to push him over the edge of his reasons. I can see him actually very warm towards his own people.
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I means "house of villainy" in latin, or, something like that.
That one wasn't my "favorite" episode. Mine was when Xande and Seymour meet their rivaling villains, aka CoD and Jecht.
"Hey everyone! Let's all laugh at Seymour because he wasn't in Dissidia!" XD
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My question would be: Who would Vincent Valentine (from FFVII) side with? He's technically Chaos as well; just - well, as I think of it - a small portion of the god still using His powers for good (when the planet is about to die, Chaos and Omega emerge to make sure the life of the planet carries on - Chaos kills all remaining life physically alive, and Omega transports the souls to their next destination (world/otherworld.) Ah - discussions, discussions. 
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I always thought about that, too. The way I see it, Vincent represents the balance between harmony and disorder, being that he can use chaos for good. Whereas his opposer, Weiss, desires to be the ultimate life fore and purge all life. That's just my view.
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That's true - Vincent has Chaos, but fits in more with harmony, justice and light, where as Weiss has Omega, but fits in more with disorder, death and darkness. Interesting play of light and dark there.
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I don't know, Mateus is really a strange guy; he want to dominate everything, but he's very tyrannic, people see he dominates only because he has power. Instead Vayne (a character I don't like very much) is more intelligent because he indeed has power, but he manipulate his people hearts, just see how Dalmasca's people change his mind after Vayne's speach.
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Love the role Square Enix put to Mateus....but in the case of the bad guys theres no a thing like "leadership" because they are not a team....if you play the game youll realize that are the villains have their own objectives without thinking in his partners being Garland the strongest one, Mateus the mastermind, Cloud of Darkness and Xdeath who wants all to become nothing in the void, Golbez who is a traitor, Sephiroth that only do it for the pleasure in battle, etc etc etc
Y perdona mi inglΓ©s que no es muy bueno XD , sorry about my english XD, im progressing
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True, but out of all of them, Mateus seems to have the most brains. But that's just my opinion (I could be wrong). I guess they really are agents of chaos, heheh!
And meu espanhol no es muy bien, either!
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Mateus, by far. Sure, Vayne had the power to transform into the undying, but if he killed Mateus, his souls would split and Vayne would have 2 Emperors to deal with, not to mention their in charge of Heaven and Hell.
That's power you can't buy right there.
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