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If you had the chance to go back in time and stop the Holocaust, would you do it? How?
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I would have become convinced the professors to accept him into Art School. Have you seen a Hitler painting? They aren't that bad actually. The art school rejection was one of the few things that led him to be so angry in the first place. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painting…
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...holy CARP, that's GLORIOUS!
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I know right? For a dictator and mass-murderer, he was pretty damn good at painting.
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"So, why do you wanna kill all the Jews again?"
"They rejected me from art school. TWICE."
"..."
"Just start rounding up the gypsies!"
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Wow. XD Don't forget the Jewish girlfriend(s) that dumped him.
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Just a bad joke that came up while discussing this...
...wait, did that actually happen?
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I believe so, but it could be wrong.
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If we have to stop the holocaust and fundamentally change history:
We come in around 1933/34; after hitler has taken to his seat in power. We then begin to sit and talk with him and discuss beliefs and policy, especially about how german far right propaganda was used by weak military leaders to excuse their failures in war, costing the lives of millions of noble german soldiers. What the rest of the world is doing is definitely wrong and his thoughts on breaking that make sense, but the fears regarding minorty groups are minor and unfounded, and there is nothing to fear from them. In fact, if he tries to deal with them, it will eventually result in america coming into a future war on its excessive military funding. These plans are dangerous, and Himler is just entertaining them to appease hitler so he'll fund his ultimately failed occult studies and attempts to make a military power of his own. The SS itself will make the nation dangerously unstable; along with attempts to supplant current beliefs with a state based christianity. Keeping only to the public works projects and improving the qol of people without interfering with beliefs or trying to remove 'sections of the public', will allow germany to grow into its own power and avoid potential demonization in war.
Everyone goes with 'Kill Hitler', as if that's going to do anything but create a power vacuum that would let himler take over and do all the same things, just more controlled and specified. Convince hitler that the propaganda he was fed as a soldier is wrong, then convince him that Himler is actually a risk to his nation, and you divert the Holocaust.
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Well, can you think of a reason to keep the Holocaust around? Aside from the current world being the best of all possible routes, I mean?
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What you noted would effectively be my reasoning. Trying to change 1940s leaves 80 years of world politics I just fundamentally altered in ways I may not understand and could result in some pretty bad things happening. Given we're time traveling I think we'd have all the time in the world to study the potential after effects, and given we're time traveling, we could probably just stop ourselves if stopping the holocaust causes more issues.
So yeah, there's no reason to keep any tragedy around outside of 'it's necessary to ensure better results from later repercussions' if you're time traveling. But of course if you're time traveling and going so far as to min-max the past to stop tragedies, you may as well go back to the very start and start experimenting on altering every event in the past to prevent future tragedies.
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^That's a good point that invalidates a previous one: since we're talking about time travel anyways, why NOT look at every little domino effect? Smart.
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Yeh, then you get into time travel logistics issues.
Assuming singular timeline that can be changed without causing paradox, the most optimal time travel thing to do would be to change the past in a way that ensures another time traveler or yourself still exist to want to change more in the past. if that is not a possibility, then you need to find the event that causes the most good overall.
Assuming one built for allowing time travel but singular timeline, then you're dealing with oncological paradox, but deterministic timeline keeps that stable. Of course that means your meddling causes the event you look to prevent, but that was already determined to happen.
Then you have the branching paths concept. With that you could continue to exist and change the past while effecting real change without risking ceasing to exist, but on the same end, you also end up never actually stopping the holocaust that originates your existence, just creating new branches of reality that you push into never really 'saving' anyone, but just kind of giving solace to yourself by situating in a timeline that the event was prevented in.
Of course, the other issue: doing something like 'Dinner with Fuhrer' requires a major time investment; so a solo person having to figure out all these logistics and enact on them would be far too out of their depth given the lifespan of a human and the skill level and scope required to change all of history.
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You mean the "Grandfather Paradox," right? You've dug much more deeply into this than I have.
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I was actually unsure on which one grandfather is the coining for, but it is more likely the Oncological paradox. Oncological paradox is pretty much 'there is no way to determine the true point of origin of the concept, as it inspires its own existence', while I couldn't remember if grandfather paradox handled 'you are your own grandfather' or 'you kill your own grandfather'.
And yeah, I talk time travel ideas with friends a lot, and I read a decent chunk about string theory when I got interested in quantum theory for a bit.
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I think Janus summed it up about as well as it could possibly be said: the Holocaust was an undeniable tragedy, but the pain it inflicted threw the true cost of the war into sharp relief and, ultimately, brought the world's leading powers closer to true unity -- so erasing it might ultimately be counterproductive, even though it would spare so many people from loss. This is, for me, essentially the historical equivalent of the 'Experience Machine' thought experiment Robert Nozick proposed in 1974: if you could erase all pain from history, would you?
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I've never heard of that machine. *Wiki-Googles.*
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Umm...
The Experience Machine does exist. It's called the internet.
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Just without trolls, hackers and spam.
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And watch ww2 be between stalen's USSR and the allies
That would not end well
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Did you know nazis invented crystal meth as proforance drug all hiter troops saw it on thing about drugs use during ww2 on tv
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The US did to for long bomber flights
And the UK was prepared to use use anthrax on the germans
And the Japanese USED a bio bomb(bacteria)
And Italy used mustard gas on Africa in the start
... ... ... and the USSR attached mines to dogs and trained them to run under tanks... ... But they trained with their tanks, and german tanks used different fuel
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How would biobomb work without distroying most bacterium in process wouldnt have very good rang
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Need computer to contune
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I thought bioweapon destroy entire civilization without killing its host not caplible of kiling under anycenereo want know how it does it
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It turns everybody into furrys destroying relingion modern medison law and order and government
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Ever seen the command an concur red alert series
No
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What he said, when you pull strings from the blanket, how much else will unravel?
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Well, you see, this is probably one of the hardest questions to answer in the entire world. The incredible irony which arose out of one of the world's most horrific tragedies and genocides was that it set people on the path to shutting down racism, and made people far more accepting overall of Jewish people... yet it seems far too casual an approach to say that, since it seems like you are saying a great tragedy occurred so the world could learn from it. This is a question which has considerable ramifications no matter which way you approach it. How does the world diverge if you stop it? What happens if you stand by and do nothing?
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Exactly why I'm asking! 
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I honestly can't answer it right now. We know one path well and truly, but what about the other permutations of fate? If only there really were ways to change the world without tragedy and destruction... efforts to bring happiness and peace never seem to be enough.
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