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TheOriginalKrillin — To Be Loved (Or: A Lesson In Perception) by-nc-nd

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Description I made this a while back, posted it on Facebook and then decided to post it here too. Basically, it deals with the two characters in the series that I think have the most misconception surrounding their person; Vegeta and Krillin. Whether it's due to series filler, or dub alteration, or simply choosing to see only what they wish, people seem to have the wrong idea about these two.

Vegeta is seen as some poor sad victim, a character who should be pitied rather than hated as he was forced to be bad and just needed someone to understand him. Not so. He enjoyed what he did, enjoyed the killing and genocide, and was plotting to betray Frieza and take his throne (and thus his place as ruler of an empire built on sadism) long before he learned what Frieza had done to his people, and once he'd learned this, he even says outright he couldn't care less about his father or his people. His anger, his desire to win was about his birthright, his pride. (A topic I'd be willing to explain if any are interested.) Even after Frieza was gone he maintained an antagonistic air and desire to kill Goku (and quite possibly the others)Recognizing and admitting this is actually key to his character, as it makes his later redemption character arc much more meaningful. When you deny this, you do the character a disservice.

And then... we have Krillin. Krillin, for the strangest reasons, gets almost ALL the hate of the fandom. He's constantly portrayed as cowardly, self-centered, annoying, a joke, etc. and a lot of that is because of filler. Yes, filler. The anime writers decided he was to be purely used as comic relief, and wrote accordingly. But the label of coward seems to stem purely from the fact that unlike the others seem to be so often... he's afraid. He's afraid because he knows he's weaker than most, he's afraid because he WAS met with the reality of his own mortality (twice, in fact), he's afraid because he knows that, going into a battle, it's likely to be his last. And this from a man whose dream is simply to get married and have his own family.

But notice something: what does he do with this fear? Does he run away, screaming and crying? Refuse to enter into these battles? Abandon his friends when they need him? Refuse to risk death again, as this time it would be permanent? No. He still goes right into battle, he still aids, he still tries to do whatever he can to help, however minor and insignificant it may be, and at the risk of his own life. All this DESPITE his fears. The man is, for all intents and purposes, the embodiment of courage and love. But he's shunned for it.

Now I'm not trying to imply these characters don't have their own good points and flaws respectively. They do. It's what makes them such interesting characters. But I just hope this may open some eyes just a wee bit.

Feel free to discuss below.
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BH-Ouji [2021-12-05 07:54:53 +0000 UTC]

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BH-Ouji [2021-12-05 07:52:44 +0000 UTC]

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EveryBluemoon01 [2017-09-08 23:14:01 +0000 UTC]

I could not agree more. Man, krillin is so underrated. It doesnt help that the creators refuse to let him grow stronger, while Goku and Vegeta are becoming unnaturally strong.....

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Xenomaster [2016-12-30 16:20:19 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, Vegeta did a bit too much to be let off the hook

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SaiyanPrince541 [2015-12-29 04:10:03 +0000 UTC]

I disagree. Most people focus on Vegeta's sins in Dragon Ball, but tend to forget about everyone else's. Few remember Yamcha for being a desert bandit that robbed and possibly killed people, not to mention, tried to kill Goku and Bulma. Few remember Tien for his cruelty and attempted murder of Goku. Few remember Piccolo for trying to destroy Goku and his friends and wanting to invade the planet. Few remember Oolong for kidnapping little girls. Few remember Buu for destroying 80% of planet Earth. But so many people remember Vegeta for his heinous acts of cruelty and mass-murder (when he was born, bred and raised into that lifestyle) and forget that, like all of the above, he proved himself worth redemption!!!

That being said, I agree that people tend to underrate Krillin a lot!! I actually give him a lot of spotlight and respect in my fan-fic ("The Light to my Darkness").

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Gearogenix In reply to SaiyanPrince541 [2016-01-05 07:48:30 +0000 UTC]

To what you said above.
Who the hell cares what Yamcha's done, and it's still to a significant;y smaller degree than blowing up planets for profit. Tien was cruel, conceded and violent, because of the groups that he was influenced by, Saiyans are legitimately just evil. Piccolo may have had evil intentions, but he hardly did anything because he was stopped by Goku so at least he didn't actually do anything too bad. Who even gives a damn about Oolong, nobody looks at him and commends him for wishing for panties. Being born and raised into a lifestyle like that only further emphasizes Saiyan cruelty, because humans who do that shit aren't raising war machines and at least our entire species isn't doing it. But indeed it is not what was done in the past, but how one moves on to the future and lives in the present that we judge them based on primarily.

Also "Nobody watched dragon ball." Dragon Ball Z Kai Abridged Piccolo

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SaiyanPrince541 In reply to Gearogenix [2016-01-05 07:57:48 +0000 UTC]

I pretty much agree, but a crime's a crime, regardless of how big or small. Vegeta was born and raised a battle-hardened psychopathic Prince that epitomized all the evil that was the Saiyan race. His only goal was being strong enough to depose Frieza. He was never taught the difference between right and wrong or good and bad, nor did he care. It was the influence of Bulma, Trunks and the Z-Fighters that really shaped him into one of the main heroes of the show. His story's essentially one that says that no matter how bad a person is, they may still have the potential to change for the better.

DBZ is all about character development, that's the thing. Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Buu, 18 etc. all change for the better. The only difference is that Vegeta's more inherently fucked up than all of them and so requires a lot more time to develop into the character we see today!!

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Gearogenix In reply to SaiyanPrince541 [2016-01-06 05:18:41 +0000 UTC]

I don't think it's that he wasn't taught right from wrong. Just as Saiyan, the ideas behind right and wrong were significantly different than Humans. Because Saiyans were a race about domination and power, while humans are more about cooperation and development. Kinda like the difference between American and Chinese Moral values.

I took some time to think about it. Dragon Ball (Original and Z) has had the most character development of long term characters in a longer term series than any other shonen anime I've seen. And every character (Except Yamcha) has had their time to shine. I jus wish Toriyama didn't dump the earthlings in the recycle bin of usable characters for the story of Dragon Ball Z ( =3

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SaiyanPrince541 In reply to Gearogenix [2016-01-06 06:21:37 +0000 UTC]

When you put it that way, true, but I meant right/wrong by human definition.

True that!! I'd love seeing the Earthlings get their shine (Yamcha included). They deserve it!! Yajirobe rarely fights anyway, but I'd like to see the others get a moment of in the sun!!!

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Classof2012 [2015-11-30 17:31:40 +0000 UTC]

SCREW THAT YOUR AWESOME KRILLIN!!

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Mewmew34 [2015-08-16 07:04:38 +0000 UTC]

I don't know that the filler is what most portrays Krillin as the comic relief.  He gets some pretty awesome moments in filler, such as the Garlic Jr. saga where he gets to really shine for a while.  He's shown to hold his own well, and even goes after Garlic Jr. knowing it's a lost cause, all to buy Piccolo a little more time in hopes of Kami and Popo getting back safely from their task.  The Garlic Jr. Saga is my absolute favorite in the anime because it gives Krillin a chance to be as awesome as he should always get to be.

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Gingerknight [2015-06-12 02:25:54 +0000 UTC]

which episode is the last picture from?

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xelianthought [2015-05-21 07:23:12 +0000 UTC]

That was fantastic and the constant 'give sympathy to Vegeta' attitude frustrates me to no end, especially when his fans also refuse to admit to his other faults and mistakes,like helping Cell become perfect (then refusing to even admit he lost) or helping Buu wake up because he ego was damaged. Krillen, and I feel, Yamcha tend to get stomped on by the fandom simply for not being as strong, understanding they are in danger and labelled as 'not badass' due to their not being 'edgy' enough, because killing children for fun and money is 'cool' I guess. 

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BH-Ouji In reply to xelianthought [2021-12-05 08:07:23 +0000 UTC]

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xelianthought In reply to BH-Ouji [2021-12-06 03:06:47 +0000 UTC]

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BH-Ouji In reply to xelianthought [2021-12-06 12:32:50 +0000 UTC]

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xelianthought In reply to BH-Ouji [2021-12-10 08:05:57 +0000 UTC]

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BH-Ouji In reply to xelianthought [2021-12-10 13:24:06 +0000 UTC]

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EveryBluemoon01 In reply to xelianthought [2018-08-03 01:33:34 +0000 UTC]

I wish I could post this in te fandom for people to see! See, the thing is, that a lot of vegeta fans are hypocritical. They called Shadow edgy(Which I guess he kinda is) but Edgeta is under the definition in the dictionary. I mean, sure, every character has fans, but a lot of his are just riding him cause of the edge....AND cause he's a saiyan, the race in the series that just about everyone including the creator likes to ride.

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zarthossa [2015-05-18 15:30:51 +0000 UTC]

Hey, we all know Vegeta NEVER was a victim, he's just a dick, a selfish, evil psychopat, and THAT'S WHY all his TRUE fans are LOVES him. Everybody in the series think he changed, he's not as bad as he seems, they like him, Bulma, Goku, etc but... you know, he NEVER deserved this, because he never regrets anything! (And it's the most important thing. He NEVER regrets anything! And it's not come from his "awful" past, it's his personality!)
Krillin just... Who cares krillin?XD
ok, sorry for that, but, really. Personally... I really don't care Krillin and his "human feelings", the "little bald guy", the "loser", who "never had a girlfriend", the guy who "taught us what friendship is" and the other mass, its just boring me. Every series and films try to taught me something like that about heroes and fighting against our fears and the others and... yeah, I can't stand Krillin and his faults, because they came from his weakness or heart (like android18), and we all know this feelings. And I don't need to see it again, not this way!
But Vegeta do what I alwas really wanted but never dared. He fuck up everything, he ruin (or killXD) everything he could touch, just because he's pride (okay, idiotismXD), just for... passion, just for fun, he never care about rules, etc, and it's... interesting for a normal people, for me, because it's something totally different from me and my family and friends, and I just want to understant how is it works? How is he works? And a little bit... admire him for his strenght, his hard soul, his will. He does what the fuck he wants, and the aftermath is secondary... BUT he NEVER run away from the aftermaths! (just to clear, Krillin  neither!!)
Never run, never regret anything, and always takes responsibility all of his actions, even if he (and everybody else) dies.
In Vegeta's simple world there aren't many rules but this is. No matter what happens, do what you want, do what you have to, do your best (!!!), and accept the consequences.
And nothing else matters.
So I think his personality is more interesting than Krillin or Goku or anybody in the series (except... maybe Frieza and the saiyans, but...), because it's too different for the normal human's personality. He has a lot of secret and special, and it's make me think about his real goals, motivations and wishes, and I want to understand him even he's just a fictional character... (And I always loves the bad guys and he IS really the bad guyXD) so I absolutly LOVE himXD

Otherwise yeah, you're right. Absolutly! The fans like to makes him as a "poooor little child", the "fallen prince", who "raised in hell that's why he never had a chance to be good" etc, but really... He born to be a killer! Not a cuuute little unlucky teddybear...
He is a sadist. An evil. A killer who loves kill no matter who is the victim. And he deserved to die million times! He is not a wreched little kid who missed love all his life... And I never want to met him in real life, no way! But because he's just fictional, I allowed myself to fuck up the "real-life-laws", and love a sadist-pszychopat-warcrimer-serial-lustkiller - and ignore the "normal-functioned" good-guy...

And one more thing.
Vegeta doesn't care forgiveness. He never wanted anybody to forget about his sins. He never asked anybody for anything, he never wanted anybody to care or love him, never wanted a friend. Everybody else wanted to love him, everybody else wanted to trust him, they wanted to make him friend! (And the Vegeta-fans reeeeeally like to forget about it...XD)

ps: Sorry for my english...:S

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SaiyanPrince541 In reply to zarthossa [2015-12-29 04:02:04 +0000 UTC]

Vegeta was never a victim? A child who's raised to be a mass-murdering psychopath, has his whole planet destroyed by his worst enemy and then he's forced to be a slave to said enemy, his entire life? Wow... Okay...

And yes, Vegeta does show regret. Here's an example. When Goku tells Dende to wish back all the people killed by Majin Buu, Vegeta corrects him and says to wish back all the innocent people killed, so that those he destroyed at the tournament would be revived, as well... That's called regret!!

[[Vegeta doesn't care forgiveness. He never wanted anybody to forget about his sins. He never asked anybody for anything, he never wanted anybody to care or love him, never wanted a friend.]]

Akira Toriyama:

"Vegeta, whose pride had been deeply wounded, sought help from Bulma, and little by little, his ruthless personality changed." (www.kanzenshuu.com/translation… )

Honestly, if you don't know anything about a character, just don't say anything...

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zarthossa In reply to SaiyanPrince541 [2015-12-29 20:40:07 +0000 UTC]

Don't know anything? Think before say it, please... Vegeta was born for kill and he loved it. Don't get me wrong, it's OK, he is a saiyan, this is his style, in his blood, as the lion never become a vegetarian. Nothing wrong with it, this makes life so excellent, the antitheses. XD But still he IS a psychopat and I don't really sorry him if another psychopat use him for a years. That's not change anything. He would do this without Frieza too, kill an innocence (or not innocence) peoples with a smile on his face. (And that's why I love him!!!) So if somebody talks about the pooor little saiyans, who wiped out hundreds planets, sooo sad one day they got they deserved... Ha-ha. It's just Karma. But of course It's doesn't mean Vegeta isn't a loveable character or couldn't do good things if he wants.
BUT.
If we know anything about psychopats that's they never change inside. They COULD hide it and learn act like a normal man, could live without hurting the others and they COULD feel love or something, but much less intensively, and all of this thing not as important in their life as for us. But it doesn’t mean they “good”. That's why I hate that Vegeta turns good so simply. It's a great lesson about "forgiveness" and "everybody should given a second chance" and the others, just like Piccolo - but not for somebody who gives a frighteningly accurate and detailed picture of the psychopaty! It's just... wrong message for the watchers.
(And if I talking about "psychopat" i'm not talking about the mentally ill seriel killers. Psychopaty doesn't mean it, it's much more complex and oftener human beeing.)
And thanks, I knew what Toryama said about Vegeta, and I know I'm just a fan so he knows better but... no. If somebody made a character like Vegeta with all of this mess, with this conspicuously accurate descriptions about a real mental disorder, especially the other characters in the story are so simple, that man could't just ignore this just for the storyline even if it's only a "simple tale". Just because its wrong and uncharacteristic. So yes, it's a mistake, like it or not. Maybe most of the fans doesn't care about it and just love the show the way it is, with this trite turn-to-good mode of Vegeta, but I'm not one of them. I'm sorry, but I can't! I think Vegeta was too well-built character for it. And yes, the Majin Buu thing you talk about is just a worst sign of this. 
A killer like him never could be a good guy! Maybe he could stop killing people, and act like a good husband, father, etc - ok, I hate it, and I think it's uncharacteristic, but ok. He could calm down. But he turned into an innocence good guy, a"pure hearted saiyan", just like Goku or Gohan or the kids? Do you really belive the saiyan saga Vegeta could ever be an innocence guy...? If you could, that means you think the millions he killed before he came to Earth, that million innocence soul is nothing, their death means nothing! Because it's means there isn't any difference between him and Goku, who never killed anybody but if he had no choise. (and never enjoyed killing.) I'ts clearly not a healthy concept!
That Buu-moment came from the will of the fans not from the storyline or Vegeta’s personality. They just wanted a happy end with no more death - that’s all. He correct the Wish just because he don’t want to revive the bad guys to make more trouble. So don’t mix up things. Regret and wants to save your family is a totally different thing. (Fortunately in real life it never happens, we do not give one more chance to murderers like Vegeta.

Of course if you think all of this OK with him because it's just an anime, and I don't understand/don't care/overcomplicate/etc everything, or anything, then just ignore my comments because you will never understand it. Not because you're stupid, we just see it from an opposite side and haven't any common point. But never dare make me as I don’t know anything just because you think it difference.

Ps:
I really don't understand why most of the fans can't like the bad guys the way they bad? I mean they always wants to know that they have a good side deep... Why? Why do we need to make them better than they are? Loving them doesn't mean we are bad too or something, but that's make these characters unique and interesting! Different ways of their thinkink, acting, their motivations what absolutely unacceptable and wrong for us, etc. Why would we always have to change them and be a good boy?! It’s just... Irritating me.

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SaiyanPrince541 In reply to zarthossa [2015-12-30 02:59:15 +0000 UTC]

I already know all that, but it doesn't change the fact that Vegeta is a character you can sympathize with. Goku doesn't really show us that Saiyans are redeemable, because after he hit his head, he wasn't really a Saiyan anymore, not by nature. Vegeta, on the other hand, was always a Saiyan by nature. I agree, I do like Vegeta even when he's bad, but I equally love his character development.

Vegeta's character development wasn't so simple though, not like you say. It took him many years to finally come to terms with the fact that he'd grown to love his family and care about planet Earth. You prefer him as a villain and I think that's okay, but others, like myself, love his character development!!

Do you really think the Piccolo Jr. saga Piccolo would end up dying to save Gohan?!! No, I don't think so!! Piccolo changed because he was shown love by Gohan, it's the exact same thing with Vegeta. He changed because of the unconditional love shown to him by Bulma and Trunks, only he took longer, because he was born, bred and fashioned into a battle-hardened psychopath!!

I shouldn't have claimed "you don't know anything" and I apologize if it offended you, but I only said it because you claimed that Vegeta never wanted a friend or anyone to love him etc. That's total bogus!! Toriyama specifically states that he sought help from Bulma and that changed his ruthless personality, little by little. He was a killer, but he was also a victim. He was made into a slave and raised a killer. Bulma showed that had he been raised in a loving environment the way Goku was, he'd never have been a ruthless killer in the first place, despite being born with that natural killer instinct. Not saying I'd want that, because I like him being that evil, heartless monster who slowly becomes a good guy!!

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dudebladeX [2015-01-27 03:24:14 +0000 UTC]

Krillin has the title of 'Strongest Human on Earth', while that doesn't really hold much compared to the Super Saiyans, the Super Namekians, The Androids, Whatever the hell Cell is, and Buu; it's still not too shabby.

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StraightOuttaSerbia In reply to dudebladeX [2016-10-30 02:30:37 +0000 UTC]

Oh know this is a old comment but Tenshinhan is Stronger that lil bitch boy Kuririn

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dudebladeX In reply to StraightOuttaSerbia [2016-10-30 02:56:51 +0000 UTC]

Explicitly said by Akira Toriyama, "Krillin is the strongest earthling male."

Sorry buddy, Krillin beats Tienshinhan.

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StraightOuttaSerbia In reply to dudebladeX [2016-10-30 03:34:50 +0000 UTC]

Im pretty Sure Tenshinhan was Stronger than Kuririn but than again Toriyama Makes up random bullshit like seriously he forget Launch and Saiyajin Tails like WTF??

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BH-Ouji In reply to StraightOuttaSerbia [2021-12-05 08:00:33 +0000 UTC]

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Shadowman101 In reply to StraightOuttaSerbia [2017-01-20 22:04:12 +0000 UTC]

Well he's the author, can't do much to refute the man who CREATED the characters to begin with.

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majingholst [2014-12-01 02:17:57 +0000 UTC]

I agree , people always y krillin is a coward , a wimp who runs away or gets beat down in every fight , but that picture where he stands against frieza directly challenging him when he knows that the being in front of him is th ruler of th galaxy , that takes serious guts man when your not s super powered alien from a warrior race who maintains their youth into their fifties and sixties, get stronger when they get beat down and are basically given every advantage nature could think off throwing into their DNA

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hypherlutz21 [2014-11-11 03:52:46 +0000 UTC]

Spot on, my friend. I personally like Krillin better than Vegeta.

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan [2014-11-08 03:56:27 +0000 UTC]

Krillin is great best friend for Goku while Vegeta can be whiny jerk at many times

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irishassassin23 [2014-09-25 03:04:05 +0000 UTC]

This captures my feelings towards Krillin 100%. The abridged version was funny as hell i will admit but i always enjoyed him. He and yamcha and pretty much the only two 100% humans among the fighters. If there were no aliens/androids etc they would both be the strongest fighters on earth. People always just think of Krillins destructo disc and friezas tail. But they never notice he is usually the one helping the fallen fighters get to safety, or bringing senzu beans. Or when everyone is down trying his hardest to slow the bad guy down KNOWING he is outclassed in power level. You sir/madam have my salute for this!

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greenapple2014 [2014-04-17 05:38:47 +0000 UTC]

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Werewolf-Korra In reply to greenapple2014 [2015-01-25 05:53:25 +0000 UTC]

I hated Jerry even as a Kid. I always rooted for the underdog, which of course, is usually the villain.

I do remember two with Jerry and that annoying duckling. One has them being captured by Tom and it just ends on his evil smile and the other has Tom invisible hitting them with a little fire place shovel. 

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someone1290 [2013-06-12 23:03:20 +0000 UTC]

Soooo so very true, I love both these characters though, Krillin even outranks Vegeta in my books.

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GGundamSamurai [2013-05-22 14:18:36 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this.

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MSCC93 [2013-03-19 21:06:09 +0000 UTC]

The terms are called "Draco In Leather Pants (Vegeta)" and Ron The Death Ear (Krillin)"...go look it up on a website called TvTropes

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MSCC93 [2013-03-19 21:03:54 +0000 UTC]

I understand your point..this also happens in other fandoms...just ignore the haters...some DBZ fans are just biased and hypocritical, that's all.

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LokiBoki [2012-12-13 07:35:14 +0000 UTC]

The abridged series made krillin the widespread joke he is today. How can someone hate krillin tho? He is a swell guy. Vegetas awesome in his own way as well.

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TheOriginalKrillin In reply to LokiBoki [2012-12-14 00:31:06 +0000 UTC]

I wish I could say that were the case. I've seen unmitigated hatred for the guy since long before that series came out. All the way back in 2005.

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gonzo22 [2012-12-08 21:24:08 +0000 UTC]

i see and understand your point

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