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These two killed ten times more than hitler !! holodomor and gulac killed more the germane.
Ukraine equated Nazism with communism
Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse
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Вот типичный пример малолетнего дебила.Куда ты лезишь?
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Советский Союз обанкротился, прими это.
Коммунизм убил больше, чем нацизм!
Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse
amzn.to/2w7c49o
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdfCHr…
www.ukrainegenocide.org/
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To be frank, the only thing I like here is the painting itself, but I'm disgusted and nauseated by Communism and all its derivatives and I think those ideologies should stay in the dustbin of history where they belong together with their founders. Simply that ideology has left too many dead nonsense everywhere where it has been applied or tried to apply (Soviet Union, Mongolia, Communist China, the Eastern Bloc Countries, Cuba, Venezuela etc ...) and in the process only leaving the respective countries or poorer than they were before the left took power, plunged them into Civil War, divided or with autocratic governments.
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Oh my little liberal. you're wrong capitalism should stay in the dustbin of history
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Ha ha ha ha, don't make me laugh or cry, zurdopata, whoever you are ... the USRR no longer exists, it collapsed from the inside and one day it became cosmic dust!
Meanwhile, the United States is thriving, its economy is not nearing stagnation and unemployment is at its lowest point in the last 50 years ... while, Russia's current economy is making water and the Russian Ruble is devaluing while They only produce pure scrap and pots in the military area.
Accept it, whoever you are, the United States is for the contemporary world what the Roman Empire was for Europe at its best over a millennium ago, there is no point in trying to dispute the indirect dominance of the United States over the world in the area economic, military or scientific.
Now, if you'll excuse me, do humanity a favor and RETURN TO THE SEWER WHERE YOU WERE FROM !.
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Now you're totally off topic ...
HA HA HA HA HA HA!.
Nice try if you thought that was going to work for me like you probably did for many other people.
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he he hehehe HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. In feudal times a lot of people thought that feudalistic reign will last forever. Where is feudalism now? And do you really think, that capitalism will be eternal?First try of building of bourgeoise society was attempted by german Hansa and protestant landlords. It failed in Thirty Years War, and then Germany has been corrupted by foreigners and their own feudals for two hundred years. Second attempt was made by Netherlands, and the revolution and war with spanish feudalistic elite in Holland, Belgium and Vallone lasted for 80 years. Even the most successful revolution in England was bloody, long and even today lots of english people don`t enjoy remembering this period of their own history. What about US, they had no serious enemies on their continent, their most massive and bloody battles were just a little mess, when you will take a look on the battles in Europe and Asia. So if you really trust, that americans are the exceptional nation, they are not. Most of them are scum, that were thrown away from the Europe, because they were needless. Yes, there is a lot of genius people, but a lot of them were not americans too, but immigrants. Europeans and Asians were and are the elite within american society and state. Oh i'm so sorry i will break you little liberal heart BUT. Have you ever seen, that the economic growth of USA, Europe and Asia was reached by the corruption of USSR and forced removal of means of production and spreading them within european and asian countries. After that, Russia became economically weak. The USSR's gold reserves were also forcibly exported to England and the United States.They got rich at our expense
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Now you start writing gibberish when you no longer have an argument with which to defend yourself huh ?.
First I explain why Socialism is an unattainable Utopia and now you intend to start talking about the "feudal system"?
Ha ha ha ha ha, I am not like you, you write as a person who never works in his life or who did not even complete school.
You probably don't know anything about the feudal system to come and make a crude comparison with contemporary capitalism, considering that capitalism is the system that has lifted more than A BILLION people out of poverty since the end of the Cold War, while Socialism has been totally discredited by the crisis in Venezuela and has been literally abandoned by the entire developing world.
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Now, since you have nothing decent to answer me with, do you choose to attack me in Russian?.
Ha ha ha ha, heh heh heh ... good try, but my weapon is knowledge, and a sea of lies like those repeated and vomited by the left are not an efficient weapon against the truth of the atrocities and impossibility of Communism / Socialism.
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Actually, that tends to happen when they LEAVE power. Also, this: www.reddit.com/r/cubarepublic/…
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Eh ... NOPE, not at all, Cuba is in an absolutely sorry state, Venezuela is a complete disaster (I am Venezuelan) and other countries that tried to use communism / socialism ended up stagnating or even sinking economically like Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile , Second Spanish Republic and East Germany.
All the countries where communism / socialism has passed have left behind a history of political purges, famines and other unnecessary deaths that under capitalism would not have happened.
China and Vietnam have managed to get to where it is at a huge price, in the form of millions of deaths in one form or another and a lot of political and religious repression, forming a human rights record quite troubling / questionable compared to the capitalist / liberalist countries.
And North Korea .... uff ... that's the most repressive state in the world.
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it's almost like you didn't click the link.
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I guess you did not read me too...
The cars that circulate in Havana are literally from the decades of the 50s and 60s. There are no modern skyscrapers or tourist resorts or huge hotel complexes in basically no place in the capital ... or in any place on the island.
The island is exclusively the fault of its government the poorest / slowest Internet in America.
Because of the government's fault, the people of the island still have to queue only to buy bread, the same with Venezuela.
In case you are not aware, also Cuba has the second third most closed economy in the world, followed by Venezuela and finally by North Korea.
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The reason why it doesn't have modern skyscrapers and huge hotel complexes is
1) The embargo preventing investment
2) its socialist nature doesn't allow for show of elitism and capitalist power.
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The embargo is the fault of the current government, who has kidnapped Cuban democracy for almost 6 decades ...
The suffering of the Cubans is the exclusive fault of the old-fashioned elites of the country, not of anyone else ... because that island has not seen a new intervention from the United States or as there has not been a coup d'état there, it baffles me.
If these people got rid of utopian communism, the life of the island would improve vastly.
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Have you ever WONDERED why cubans never took to doing that? Or why half of people in former chechoslovakia, albania, former yugoslavia, and former soviet union want communism back?
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I personally did not hear anyone from Czechoslovakia or the deceased Yugoslavia begging for communism to return, the only ones who probably begged to return were ignorant or even atheists, given that Communism, apart from being a murderer, is also a utopia politics, which comes into conflict with human nature itself, and it is impossible to make a country without social classes, as long as there is money ...
On the other hand, Cubans are constantly starving, they are a rope of atheists, and where there are atheists or there is ignorance or immorality.
Because of the government, they almost do not have internet and even today that island sympathizes with groups of subvertive people such as the FARC and the ELN in Colombia or the Communists and Socialists in Chile, and in the past they gave refuge and funds to individuals and subversive organizations even more numerous as were the Montoneros (Argentina), Leftists / Communists (Mexico), Sandinistas (Nicaragua), armed peasants against the legitimate Government of El Salvador and communist guerrillas in Venezuela itself.
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The "legitimate" government of el salvador committed massacres and repressions, all supported by america and its "freedom"
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Do you have any proof other than propaganda?
On the other hand, the guerrillas or subversive people were no more than egregious, loose or fucked up people, who wanted a government that would give them everything for free without people having to work and get rid of everyone else who opposed them literally .
The very communist governments with which you seemed to sympathize also committed all kinds of massacres and purge against their own people, happened in Imperial Russia, first with the Russian Civil War, where the Bolsheviks did not have the slightest mercy to those of the " White Army "regardless of whether they were monarchists, republicans or nationalists and then it happened again with the Holomodor in Ukranie and once again with the massive purges within the Red Army in the second half of the 30s and again with an anti-Semitic purge over the years 50. Pure shedding of meaningless blood over and over and over again in the name of a purely utopian ideology ...
And then an immeasurable number of deaths in Communist China, first because of the Civil War started exclusively by the Communists, and then because of the Great Leap Forward, and again with the Cultural Revolution of Mao Zedong and once but during the Massacre of Tiananmen Square ... Pure deaths and bloodshed of innocent people without any sense once again, solely for the sake of protecting left-wing authoritarian regimes.
Cuba also purged political dissenters after the "Robolucion" of 1959 and charged against the Church and the schools that taught religious education without any credible reason.
And North Korea is the hell on earth for believing that they could achieve true communism ... with the worst human rights record in the contemporary world.
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the chinese civil war started with the nationalists purging thousands of communists. The communists wanted to work together at first.
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I suppose that the nationalists (like the Americans at about the same time) knew that the "communists" probably were not trustworthy or that they would probably say they would or would not do something, only to do the exact opposite later ...
On the other hand, ironically, when the ordinary Chinese tried to "talk" cordially with the communists in 1989 ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tia…
www.independent.co.uk/news/wor…
www.history.com/this-day-in-hi…
the communists and their bodyguards ended up opening with real bullets and with the condemned and repudiated internationally expansive bullets (those will be inside the body of the victim to gut it) leaving more than 1000 dead in a matter of days, all only because the students asked for a cleaning of the anti-corruption type within the Communist Party LOL.
Similar things happened in communist Poland, where people who wanted greater political or religious freedom were either repressed or disappeared or even permanently silenced.
That same type of murderous / repressive regime was what the Montoneros, FARC, Communist Parties of Mexico and other guerrillas / communist / leftist parties in Hispanic America were trying to install by anti-democratic means or by means of the state terrorism type.
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I'm not interested in talking with you. You clearly have no desire for an actual debate.
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Now are you talking seriously ???
Or are you trolling me epically?
Where did I say I have no interest in a debate?
Or are you saying that such things as political purges, political persecutions or the massacre of Tananmen Square did not happen?
I'm looking forward to a somewhat more impartial response ...
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One at a time. What's the first thing you want explained?
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First of all ... why do you seem to be sympathetic to the governments that call themselves communists?
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Because communist systems work? I don't listen to media that acts like communist countries are all gray and sad and starving, i look at actual statistics. Also, there's a ton of really horrible things that western countries and their puppets have done just to keep communism away.
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Second question ...
Why in your writings you seem to deny all those bloodbaths, famines and purges / massacres that have happened and continue to happen in the countries labeled as "communists" both disappeared and current?
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Because many you seem to menation (like hunger in cuba) are mostly lies, others (like the great leap forward) are greaty exaggerated, others (ukrainian famine) happened mostly by accident, and some of the purges (great purge, cultural revolution) were orchestrated by people in the government who wanted more power for themselves (Nikolai Yezhov, gang of four)
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-If it's a lie about Cuba's hunger, then why do Cubans historically flee the island to other places like Spain or the United States, either by boat or other means ???
-As we can know if the death toll occurred in the Great Step Forward is exaggerated or not ??? Do you have any particular source ???
-If the Ukrainian Holomodor was accidental, then why the Soviet central government did absolutely nothing to stop immediately what was causing it (that did not happen quickly as far as I know)?
-How are you so sure of who were behind the purge of the Red Army in the 30s? Official state information? If the answer is affirmative, you'd better check other sources. By the way, the Cultural Revolution was explicit work of Mao Zedong, not anyone else.
Going on ...
Do you not know or deny all this state terrorism promulgated and defended by the Cuban Government? (which included financing, training and shelter for people and subversive organizations as were all those leftist guerrillas in Argentina, Bolivia, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala and Venezuela).
Do you really sympathize with those subversive guerrillas who kidnapped and attacked innocent people indiscriminately in all these countries?
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- Cuba did have an economic crisis in the 90s, but it's fine now. Most people escaping cuba are either from it, or anti-communists, or people from the upper and middle classes who don't like the idea of being on equal level with the others (or really entitled people who can't stand to have their speech limited in any way no matter how bigoted)
- monthlyreview.org/commentary/d… it's not a perfect article, but it's good.
- It ended up sending grain to end the famine in 1933. Stalin likely didn't accept help because he was paranoid.
- Go on Wikipedia and look it up. It should be common knowledge.
- Leftist guerrillas were fighting corporatist juntas that killed many thousands of political opponents (operation condor and other things). And interesting that you accuse Cuba of state sponsored terrorism on part of cuba (which is a lie), given that the united states has supported guerilla and terrorist groups inside cuba since 1961. (also, guatemala under its "legitimate government" literally committed genocide.)
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- Do you have anything personal against people fleeing from communist countries to be able to express themselves, avoid dying of hunger or flee from executions?
-And what about the 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre? (where more than 10,000 people fell dead at the hands of the Chinese People's Army) ... you have nothing to say about that?
www.history.com/this-day-in-hi…
www.theguardian.com/books/2017…
www.thoughtco.com/the-tiananme…
www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-03…
-eh ... NOPE, the guerrillas to which I refer is all guerrillas alike, all were treated by bloody / violent means (technically terrorism by definition) to overthrow the constitutional governments of countries like Argentina (along all the decade of the 60s and half of the 70s), Colombia (for more than 50 years causing terror and mourning throughout the Colombian territory trying to turn Colombia into a Cuba on steroids and even more dangerous), El Salvador (Cuba and the Soviet Union were giving weapons to partisans and peasants to overthrow the Constitutional Government of El Salvador), Peru (that repudiated
armed group called "Sendero Luminoso" wanted to turn Peru into a communist state) and even in my Venezuela (they threatened with armed guerrillas the constitutionally elected governments of the Republic of Venezuela from the 1960s to the 1980s, so that they also overthrew it and install a Marxist autocracy).
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montoner…
perso.wanadoo.es/guerrillas/mo…
perso.wanadoo.es/guerrillas/ch…
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_…
blogs.lainformacion.com/zoombo…
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sendero_…
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:At…
panamericana.pe/buenosdiasperu…
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_…
www.resumenlatinoamericano.org…
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- Cuba's freedom of speech isn't that bad though. People actively saying stuff like "the sanctions should continue cuz communism is evil" are detained, but most legitimate political discussion is allowed and fairly civil.
- By that point, China was pretty much capitalist, and a lot of senior officials from the hardcore communist era didn't want to kill protesters.
- So you're from Venezuela?
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Ahh ... really? Have you been walking around the Island of Cuba recently? So why the Internet on that island is so bad? Why exactly the United States for 20 or more years that have been expressing "concern for Human Rights in Cuba"?
-For this side, what kind of sovereign state (excluding the infamous National Socialist regime in Germany) deliberately authorizes / allows the mass murder of thousands (or even millions) of its citizens as happened in the Holomodor (the worst man-made famine) according to several historians and democratic governments) and the Cultural Revolution or to a lesser extent the Massacre of Tiananmen Square (students who only asked for greater democratic reforms or a greater anti-corruption cleanliness within the Communist Party of China)?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomo…
okdiario.com/curiosidades/2017…
www.abc.es/historia/abci-mala-…
www.elconfidencial.com/alma-co…
www.history.com/this-day-in-hi…
As far as I know, none of the regimes (whether military or civilian / democratic) pro-American (even Colombia, Israel or South Korea) caused bloodbaths or famines of that size that I know of ... neither attacked / executed innocent people randomly just for "pure paranoia" or for the sake of retaining power ...
To answer your last question, yes, I am Venezuelan and Hispanic American. I have witnessed all the horror that is going through the Hispanic Americans who live here in Venezuela since 2013 and nothing is funny here, especially when what is happening here (in terms of food shortages) almost seems a Holomodor in slow motion ... and I do not count on all this political repression that has already left more than 120 dead defending what is right.
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