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Description Idea here is a highly derived descendant of the sea turtle that has completely adapted to a marine existence, with no need ever to return to land. The male and female stay together after mating, and when the female is ready to give "birth," the couple assume a face-to-face copulatory-style posture that facilitates the transfer of the eggs into a marsupium-like pouch in the male's plastron. The expecting parents then part ways, and the male carries the eggs to term. When they juvenile turtles hatch and leave the marsupium, they stay close by, sheltering beneath the father's massive flattened tail flukes. These paddles, originally evolved to provide surface area for direct oxygen extraction, have become specialized display devices in the males, with females choosing males with the largest and most vividly colored and patterned paddles during mating competitions. After the young hatch, the flukes provide a food source, supplying an abundance of nutrient-rich algae that is quickly replenished by solar exposure as the ravenous juveniles feed. Once the young have left the father to begin the next phase of their life cycle, the algae dies, exposing the vibrant display paddles and signalling the females that this individual is again ready to mate.

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This guy actually started out as a potential pinnimorph, but as I was working from the reference photo (of the pteropod Cavolinia tridentata), I started noticing a superficial similarity to the body shape of a sea turtle. I played with turning the creature into an alien flower/turtle hybrid (the tail lobes reminded me of an orchid blossom), but eventually settled on an aberrant but straightforward terrestrial turtle evolution. The idea of the "male marsupium" was inspired by the seahorse.

Posting as a WIP because he's not shaded or colored, but you know what?, I kind of like him this way. The anatomy is kind of wonky and asymmetrical, but that's partially because I was working from a pteropod and partially due to my initial indecision about how flower-like to make it. I like the fact that the detail is visible, at least. Maybe I'll just leave him the way he is...Hasn't he been through enough already?

Having said that, if anybody wants to take a crack at coloring him, be my guest! Hah, maybe I should have a contest.
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Comments: 34

DSil [2011-01-28 06:18:05 +0000 UTC]

That's fucking wild, man. The bit about the algae is brilliant.

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bensen-daniel [2010-12-08 07:27:26 +0000 UTC]

The foot paddle asymmetry isn't so bad, but the front paddles look like roast chicken wings. I think they would have to be even larger than normal for a sea-turtle to pull all that junk in the trunk

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whalewithlegs [2010-12-07 10:25:45 +0000 UTC]

For some reason this strikes me as a particularly Snaiadi design ... 'Ass Breathers' or something like that

This is a compelling design, man! I know a lot of people would be interested to see you do a colored version!

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thomastapir In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-08 03:36:28 +0000 UTC]

Hah, it does! Nemo shamelessly appropriates and repurposes every aspect of the anatomy, doesn't he...Much like Taiwanese cuisine, apparently!

Here's the Spec creature everybody's likening it to, btw:
[link]

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whalewithlegs In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-08 04:03:58 +0000 UTC]

Haha.

Hey, that's nowhere near your idea! It's superficially similar, but the anatomy and function are totally different. However, if everybody's likening it to that, I should point out that the Asian hairy turtle was around waaaay before Spec Dinos ... their idea is way more like this than yours: [link]

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thomastapir In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-08 05:44:17 +0000 UTC]

OMG that is SO AWESOME!! I'm picturing it not really with hair, but like...the tail of a betta fish, I guess. Prismatic filaments. What the hell is that from?? Is that inspired by a real turtle...? GAH, I MUST KNOW!!

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whalewithlegs In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-08 06:46:32 +0000 UTC]

I should have mentioned it before, but I couldn't find a search term a the time. You can look up 'minogame' to find more and better pictures. The idea is that algae growing on the turtle's back is swept backward in the stream's current, and looks like a tail. It represents longevity

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AmnioticOef In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-08 05:23:28 +0000 UTC]

In case there's any confusion ('cause that picture looks awfully lifelike), the hairy turtle isn't real. It's often depicted that way in Chinese art because of the growth of algae on some turtle's shells.

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whalewithlegs In reply to AmnioticOef [2010-12-08 06:44:37 +0000 UTC]

Yes, thank you for pointing that out! I should have mentioned it earlier, but I had to find the term to be able to look it up! You can Google 'minogame.'

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AmnioticOef In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-10 05:46:29 +0000 UTC]

Wow, who knew there was a specific word for a turtle with algae growing on its back, and a whole genre of art associated with it. Fascinating .

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whalewithlegs In reply to AmnioticOef [2010-12-10 06:59:53 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I learned about it back when I was an apprentice, but never learned the name for it. it's one of those popular recurring images, like koi.

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AmnioticOef In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-11 01:53:57 +0000 UTC]

Huh, what kind of an apprentice?

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whalewithlegs In reply to AmnioticOef [2010-12-11 02:07:02 +0000 UTC]

I did a stint as an apprentice to a tattooist.

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AmnioticOef In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-11 04:00:47 +0000 UTC]

Cool! You're work does have sort of a "tattooey" quality, for lack of a better word .

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whalewithlegs In reply to AmnioticOef [2010-12-11 15:01:29 +0000 UTC]

haha, yeah

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Transapient [2010-12-07 00:19:35 +0000 UTC]

Oh come on! You got this from Spec right!? (joke)
Seriously, Spec has something almost exactly like this! If you really came up with this on your own, it's a heck of a case of convergent speculation.

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"Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on!"--Homer Simpson

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thomastapir In reply to Transapient [2010-12-07 06:02:47 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I know, and Spec really wasn't a (conscious) influence on this at all! The whole thing started with the correspondence in shape between the upper portion of the clione and the body of a sea turtle, which then necessitated an explanation for those massive dual tail lobes. I actually started with the idea that they would shelter juveniles, but wanted a better explanation for WHY they evolved in the first place, which led me back to the respiratory idea (which ~Saxophlutist had mentioned a coupla years back). I mean it's not like I'm unaware of Spec or unfamiliar with the creatures, so maybe that was in the back of my mind...It certainly wasn't a deliberate decision to emulate the Spec turtle, though!

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Transapient In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-08 00:50:00 +0000 UTC]

Oh, OK! Convergent speculation once again! (That seems to happen alot with me)

Arsegills, I belive is what the Spec turtles are called by the way.

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"Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on!"--Homer Simpson

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whalewithlegs In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-07 10:24:21 +0000 UTC]

Wait, so what actually is being referred to by 'Spec?' Are we talking about Future Evolution or some book I'm not familiar with, or Speculative Dinosaurs?

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Transapient In reply to whalewithlegs [2010-12-08 00:46:08 +0000 UTC]

The world of Spec is a collaboration on the subject of alternative evolution. In this case, "What if the dinosaurs never went extinct?" So to answer your question, it would be speculative dinosaurs.

Google "Speculative Dinosaur Project" and enjoy the creatures!
Just to let you know, the project itself seems to have run out of steam, I haven't noticed any activity on the site for awhile. But it is still viewable (mostly).

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whalewithlegs In reply to Transapient [2010-12-08 01:04:00 +0000 UTC]

Heh heh, dude, I know what Speculative Dinosaur Project is ... I just hadn't heard it referred to as only 'Spec' before. The whole genre is referred to as 'Spec.'

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AmnioticOef [2010-12-06 23:22:41 +0000 UTC]

Sea snakes can breathe through their skin too. Must be a reptile thing.

Actually, many aquatic turtles get most of their oxygen when underwater through the lining of their bowels, leading inevitably, of course, to this: [link]

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thomastapir In reply to AmnioticOef [2010-12-07 06:04:49 +0000 UTC]

I'm kind of regretting now going with the respiratory explanation for the tail lobes, as it reminds everybody of Spec! I probably should have played up the solar panel/algae culture aspect a bit more.

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Viergacht [2010-12-05 22:35:14 +0000 UTC]

What a fun concept!

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thomastapir In reply to Viergacht [2010-12-06 05:52:11 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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Saxophlutist [2010-12-05 22:04:38 +0000 UTC]

I believe I actually brought this idea up with you a year or two back! It's nice to see it be conceptualized!
I smell the evolution of a new class!

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thomastapir In reply to Saxophlutist [2010-12-06 05:52:04 +0000 UTC]

D'OH, I *DO* remember that! I knew it was somebody from dA who had informed me of turtles' ability to absorb oxygen through the skin, but I couldn't remember who it was. So mad props to you!

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Saxophlutist In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-06 17:51:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! Yeah, apparently they have anal sacs that allow respiration, which is pretty neat! I can't think of any other amniote that has secondarily evolved the ability to respire underwater.

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Chimpeetah [2010-12-05 17:35:58 +0000 UTC]

Omg you just gave me a brilliant new idea for the Cloacaspivars/squamate-fish for my Terra Lacerta (was known as Squamozic) project !

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thomastapir In reply to Chimpeetah [2010-12-06 05:52:26 +0000 UTC]

Sweet, glad I could help!

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Chimpeetah In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-06 06:58:50 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, you gave me an idea as to how their "cloacal lungs" (it's just a nick-name for the papillae) could look, and function. I need to draw them soon, the range from small salmon-tyoe creatures, to ambush predatory croc/gar roles, to giant shark-mosasaur type beasts, with another branch looking like rays ! I can't wait for people to see them !!!

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beastofoblivion [2010-12-05 10:32:51 +0000 UTC]

That is so COOL! Maybe I don't see it clearly in B&W, but to me it looks like the flukes can do a 180, lay flat against the belly and wrap around the torso. Could be a way to streamline, or a means of defense... do they do that, or is that just me making things up? XD

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thomastapir In reply to beastofoblivion [2010-12-05 10:46:19 +0000 UTC]

THAT'S IT!, you nailed it! I was wondering how in God's name such a monstrously anti-hydrodynamic feature could be selected for when its presence would entail so many other problems...But you've nailed it, that's the solution--the lobes fold up out of the way, tucked tightly against the torso (for maximum alliteration). I'm actually picturing the lobes folding over each other, like it's, um, crossing its "arms," sort of?, upside down, of course. This eliminates drag, reduces visibility and vulnerability to predators...Yep, I think that covers it. I actually kind of like the idea that there's this feature that then, when deployed, necessarily puts it at a great disadvantage during a very vulnerable time, when it's trying to protect its young...There's a certain drama there that feels very true to the "real" natural world (to me, at least).

Thanks so much for the awesome solution, you kinda made my night!
I'm already working on an improved drawing, btw, and also an alternate variant inspired earlier by another image of this pteropod I found online. Your suggestion gives me a way to make that other idea work!

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beastofoblivion In reply to thomastapir [2010-12-17 11:39:02 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha, you're very welcome! That's totally awesome, I'm glad it worked out and I look forward to seeing your new stuff!

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