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Thunderstudent In reply to MetalAmy [2022-10-20 14:26:27 +0000 UTC]

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Thunderstudent In reply to SoraDonaldGoofy99 [2019-05-31 16:27:03 +0000 UTC]

Agreed, combined with the canon auras and abilities they could be what a lot of people were looking for. Although some will argue that the reason Toriyama went the way he did is because he wanted tyo get away from the usual bulky designs. But for me, they were just a wet fart, and I think that there can be a happy medium between Toriyama's desires and people on the other end of the spectrum like MaSTAR's "OH GOD MY EYES, I'M BLIND, J.J. ABRAMS JIZZED IN MY EYES!!!!" I think the god forms can be greatly improved on, but that ain't it!

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SoraDonaldGoofy99 In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-31 20:39:24 +0000 UTC]

As much as I personally like the looks of Omni, the glowing hair and lines on the body were a bit much. He did make an 'explained' video about why he went the way he did, but most of it went to 'I thought this looked badass, so I did it that way'. Omni's bangs were inspired from Sephiroth's bangs, apparently.

Getting off of that topic, though, I think what you have there would have been perfect. Like how it really feels like a big boost from Super Saiyan 3, even in appearance. God and Blue are JUST recolors. At least UI made it look slightly different.

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Thunderstudent In reply to SoraDonaldGoofy99 [2019-05-31 20:54:13 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, I wanted top try to make an in between design of the original and the one that we ended up with. Although God is way more scrawny and possibly slightly taller than base Goku. Some say it's lean anmd elegant, athletic. Me, I think it's scrawny and lazy, and with all due respect to those who love the form as well as Toriyama himself Goku looks like a ginger cancer patient who managed to somehow keep their hair. SSGSS is SSJ1 recolor with a new aura, same for Rosé.

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SoraDonaldGoofy99 In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-31 23:27:18 +0000 UTC]

God looking lean and athletic? I just thought they could have done much more, and they didn't. Blue? Complete laziness in design, at least until Blue Evolution and Kaioken. I think what makes me like UI much more is the eyes.

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ultrasonicultimate In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2020-03-15 19:55:53 +0000 UTC]

I agree and could check this out when you have the time 
DB ultimate Gogeta All Forms

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Thunderstudent In reply to scottthesaiyanknight [2019-05-22 01:38:06 +0000 UTC]

Rosé would likely be much like it is in canon, just with the design I made for SSGSS. As for Ultra Instinct Omen and Mastered Ultra Instinct I'm not sure since in theory anyone can achieve them. But it probably wouldn't by anything as dumb as Omni God but it would look somewhat different than what we got.

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scottthesaiyanknight In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-22 01:46:53 +0000 UTC]

and if super were to implement super saiyan 4 into account do you think the design would be brolys ikari/wrathful state with gts super saiyan 4 form combined?
and if you were to say design the celestial dragon god form (final form of absalon for the saiyans) what would it be. same thing applied for omni god

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Thunderstudent In reply to UltimateGamer45 [2019-05-21 11:51:42 +0000 UTC]

I have an eye for design and this would have been so much better. Therse look and feel like unique forms instead of one incomplete one and a SSJ1 pallet swap .

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-23 01:29:59 +0000 UTC]

No offense but these more feel like the standard "EVERYTHING MUST BE OVER-THE-TOP!!" fanmade forms so really, they're not unique. Also, an eye for design? Well I'll give you credit in that for some designs like the sprites I've seen? Yes but otherwise, that's a bit too much like you're tooting your own horn.

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Thunderstudent In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2019-05-23 02:03:13 +0000 UTC]

Not a problem, to each their own. But for me the "simpler" forms are just so lazy. I get what you're saying about him being a martial artist but being buff and being a master martial artist aren't mutually exclusive. I don't mean to offend you but I totally disagree with you. Also the manga is more like promotional material and not canon which feels weird to say since it's the manga version that is usually considered canon and the anime is the adaptation. So it doesn't feel right, and we never got Full power SSGSS which sucks since while it was great to see Kaio-Ken again it wrecks Goku's body. I think even King Kai said if you stack it too high your body could just explode. Full power SSGSS wo7uld have been great to see in the anime

I never really liked the all gold SSJ4, even though it's my absolute favorite form I always thought that particular version of the god form looked stupid and again lazy. Yeah that was a bit of tooting my horn there, sorry about that. Oddly I wasn't really going for "EVERYTHING MUST BE OVER-THE-TOP!!". just something that to me felt more like an actual god form. Hey everyone is allowed to like what they like, because if everyone liked the same things life would be dull. 

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-23 03:43:17 +0000 UTC]

And again, they're tacky. The type of reaction these things would illicit from characters in the show may be that they're intimidated because they'll have to be written that way but for audiences? This would take the criticism of "Super is bad fanfiction." and push it into overdrive. This is a form you do when you want to basically have Goku try to go about pushing the God form the wrong way or for when you want to make a point about shitty fanmade transformations, not a form you'd want to have in the show.

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Thunderstudent In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2019-05-23 06:52:46 +0000 UTC]

I significantly reduced the amount of hair on Goku here because it was meant to be in between Super Saiyan 3 and 4, not SSJ4+SSJ3's hair like Toyotaro's SSJ5. You seem to be getting angrier and angrier about things and that worries me.

I get what you're saying about skill beating brute force…except every single moment in DBZ where teamwork meant nothing and it was Goku's newest form at the time that defeated the bad guy  Also the "altered timeline" argument could be used for the movies,. filler, GT, Neko Majin Z, the video games, especially Heroes and Xenoverse. Also you saying "This would take the criticism of "Super is bad fanfiction." and push it into overdrive." is again that's your opinion. Also you're getting way too worked up and angry over a series about aliens and enhanced humans that scream and shoot energy blasts while fighting in faster that eyesight battles. 

It feels like you're pushing a "I'\m right and you're wrong." argument and I know that's not what you're going for. I'm just saying I think this would be better and if I accidentally implied that same argument than I apologize. You know I value your opinions and criticism. Hell I go out of my way to get it. But leaving a gigantic wall of text explaining why Toriyama did x in  y way when I both know why and disagree with it isn't going to change my mind or the mind of someone else. I know what the creator intended with these forms and I highly disagree with it.

If everything about DBS in an alternate timeline where these were canon designs but the entirety of the story remained unchanged would it really affect anything other than visuals? Also, saying " This is a form you do when you want to basically have Goku try to go about pushing the God form the wrong way or for when you want to make a point about shitty fanmade transformations, not a form you'd want to have in the show." ooooooooooooph that wounds me dude. I get it, you think it's tacky and you don't like it, but that was a step too far. I'm not offended just hurt.  Anyway this was way longer than I wanted it to be

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-23 08:26:17 +0000 UTC]

It still looks UTTERLY ridiculous. Between SS3 and SS4 really doesn't mean much in terms of hair length since really both styles are crazy long. Either it's Super Saiyan 3 but the hair on Goku's face is SS4 or you just take away a very small amount of spikes that means nothing. It still looks silly on Goku. The styles themselves are fine, hell the SSB one if recolored and placed on a SS4 body can pass as a very good SS5 hairstyle and maybe in a different color like green? It could pass as a decent take on a SSG3 but in this way? It doesn't look good. Also, it kind of would because while yes you'd get the intended reaction from the characters of "Oh my lord, it's Super Saiyan God!" because it would have to be written like that? As I said in the rather blunt manner, it would give the people who say that Super is just bad fanfiction far more ammo because with the take on evil Goku that we had in the form of Goku Black, the fact Goku has ascended to the level of gods and the fact Broly has been brought back? This would feel like a marketing decision, like Toriyama saw that people were making these crazy looking fake Super Saiyan forms and just said "OOH! Let's do that.". Sure you may like it and it will have its fans and that's okay, the problem is you're looking at this from the narrow viewpoint of "Well I think it'd be better." and have replied to people saying that this is better than the originals and you have in your list of tags those that just say stuff like "SSGistrash" which touches on something I'll get to later because it's a big source of my anger and it plays a big factor into why I am being very blunt.

Again, ignorance is shown here. Yes plenty of occasions had Goku fight with pure brute force and he won... but there are plenty of times where his survival was thanks to his skill. Super Saiyan gave Goku the power necessary to compete with Frieza but it was his tenacity and knowledge of martial arts that allowed him to claim victory. In the Saiyan Saga, Kaioken allowed Goku to gain an edge but it was his skill and quick-thinking that allowed him to battle Vegeta efficiently. The majority of the times where the new form or new power-up beat someone through brute force were side-villains and in moments where the new power needed to be demonstrated. Really the only time I'd say the main villain was defeated full-on in DBZ from someone's new form was Cell and if we really, REALLY want to split hairs, Frieza... and Goku as I said won against Frieza because of skill. Cell lost to Gohan basically in a curbstomp and Buu lost because Vegeta thought that since Goku's fancy new Super Saiyan 3 didn't work that it'd be a good idea to use the Spirit Bomb. I've recently read the Dragon Ball Z portion of the original manga and I've watched Kai so this is still very, VERY fresh in my mind. Also the altered timeline thing yes could be used as an argument for those games but here's the problem there. The movies, filler, GT, Neko Majin and the games are all blatantly non-canon and are there for entertainment and in some cases just to kill time. The Super manga was made by someone who Toriyama picked to be his successor and is working off of his notes for the sagas but really, arguing about that is just splitting hairs. The point is again, that moment in Super's manga that demonstrates a factor of Dragon Ball that has been present for years.

And you know what? Yeah, I'm getting a bit heated because if I have to be honest? YOUR Dragon Ball-related work and comments whenever it delves into the "This is what I think Super should've done." REEKS of "I know better than the creator!" and I have grown to just HATE that argument and attitude. Throughout my time being a part of fandoms, I have seen that this is the kind of behavior that develops entitled, pampered little babies who think that EVERYTHING has to cater to them. They're the babies that bitch, moan and cry when the creators do literally ANYTHING that isn't exactly what they built up in their heads. Dragon Ball Super is announced? They bitch. A new form is shown and it isn't literally as over-designed as SS5? They bitch and then when their work gets criticized? It's suddenly "HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY IDEAS?!". Yes, how dare people insult something when you just moments ago were basically mouthing off how the creators were lazy and awful and honestly, because I let anger bubble and seethe for awhile, I then explode out and that's what you saw because to be honest Thunder? I have had a problem with this for awhile. From our arguments back then when you replied with "meh." when we discussed this stuff to when you'd post ideas, there were so many and I mean SO MANY tinges of "I know better and those who disagree are wrong!" and I've avoided bringing it up because I didn't want to upset you but you know what? Between the bullshit I had to deal with Fanfiction.net and a little situation I had with another friend, I feel it's time I get completely honest with you about this because I feel like I don't truly express myself enough to people. Like look my man, I get it, you are someone who really doesn't like the new direction of Dragon Ball, that's totally okay but whenever I hear or see things like your Dragon Ball fanfiction or stuff like this, there is a lot of "The original creator is an idiot! I'm better!" and then there are points when of course stuff you like gets criticized then it's a lot of excuses and "Well this series has always had inconsistencies." or in the case of when I initially announced that I was going to review GT? A very needlessly rude reaction meaning there's even a tinge of "If you criticize what I don't like I'll join in right in on the fun but if you do the same to what I like, how DARE YOU?!" and then when someone does get on your case and brings up points you always change the subject which makes me think you are running from criticism or the discussion which in turn pisses me off more because it gives me the impression you don't know how to handle criticism despite being on the internet for so long and then I think back to my past and how I've said some things and did work that possibly could've helped to spread this kind of behavior and I get even MORE pissed.

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-23 03:16:23 +0000 UTC]

"Oddly I wasn't really going for "EVERYTHING MUST BE OVER-THE-TOP!!"" And yet it is over the top, it's Goku with fairly large muscles, this crazy long Super Saiyan 3-like hair with elements of SS4 and the regular Super Saiyan form being thrown in and he has a different hair color, it's in the same line as Malik's original take on SS5 and other AF forms. It thinks bigger, flashier and crazier means better because it's more unique... though it isn't. Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan are both supposed to be very calm transformations and proper off-shoots of the regular Super Saiyan line of forms with simpler designs that honestly match because it fits as a good opposite to the Super Saiyan forms which did become bigger and more impressive yes but they also were major power drains. This is more typical of a Super Saiyan transformation and it's one of the reasons why Toriyama changed the original design since it focused more on being just a standard Super Saiyan transformation rather than its own thing. You put SSG next to the original Super Saiyan forms, it stands out. You put this next to all the others and it just looks like your average shitty AF fan-form that has little to offer except ridiculous hair and claims that it's better than the original. This on the other hand just screams "LOOK AT ME! I'M COOL RIGHT?! I'M SO COOL AREN'T I?!".

"Also the manga is more like promotional material and not canon which feels weird to say since it's the manga version that is usually considered canon and the anime is the adaptation." Except it still exists, yes it's a different portrayal of events but Toyotaro is considered the official successor of Toriyama and it follows the proper manga canon of Dragon Ball, therefore to an extent, it's canon just as I guess you can say an alternate timeline but that hardly matters when considering the messages it features are still messages told by the original manga. Plus this is just a cop-out and an excuse for something that is still official material that stays pretty consistent to the original work. Also for your point on Kaioken? King Kai said if you took it too high but he didn't count on the fact that Goku puts his body to the ringer quite a lot and trains to minimize as much strain as possible. Plus it's a form where you need a calm heart to use it, it's why of course it wouldn't be good to use it with Super Saiyan despite what the anime showed because Super Saiyan is a form based on rage, it has its own issues with how it can wreck the body whereas SSB is a calmer form, meaning that Goku can use it and if you notice, he never takes it higher than the X20 since in reality, there's no need to push the Kaioken higher. The point here was that at one point in the manga, Goku basically uses Completed SSB but since it's basically like the Kaioken in that it requires focus to keep the power inside that he could apply the same multiplier mindset because at that time, he found himself so locked in the idea of trying to beat Jiren that he focused on gaining more raw power. Roshi later stepped in and reminded him that's not what martial artists do and basically brought Goku down to Earth since it was becoming clear he was starting to lose sight of what was important.

"being buff and being a master martial artist aren't mutually exclusive." Okay, let's make this clear since very obviously you missed what I was saying. Yes being buff and being a martial artist aren't mutually exclusive but the thing is, there is a difference Dragon Ball set up. Dragon Ball from the very beginning was a martial arts series and it established the idea that skill and mastery will trump overwhelming power to the point where as transformations became bigger and more insane, they even established that those transformations have their issues and should only be used when necessary. It's what separated Vegeta from Goku for the longest time. Vegeta focused on overpowering and one-upping opponents which included stuff like gaining new transformations whereas Goku was a very different sort. Goku of course would gain a lot of new powers but he focused a lot more on the idea of mastery of old techniques and training to work out the kinks. It's why the man is a fighting genius and that mindset is reflected in the writing of Dragon Ball. For example, Goku lasts as long as he does against the Saiyans or at the very least, Raditz and Vegeta way back then despite being way weaker because Goku was the better fighter. He knows strategy, technique and also is very tenacious and it actually was strategy that led to those victories and when he gained Super Saiyan and we saw those subsequent transformations? We see that Goku relied primarily on the regular Super Saiyan form and he explained it quite well since again, as he rose the level, those later grades caused strain so he found it best to just master what they had already. Dragon Ball cemented the idea that bigger wasn't always better, that being big and flashy means nothing if you can't actually fight and that was reflected in the original Dragon Ball's writing. Hell, it's basically explained that the only reason SS3 was a thing he could do was because of Other World whereas in the living world where physical limitations do exist and matter? He couldn't exactly use it effectively and we see SS3 later become a form that's used to show off because the God forms and SS2 are just better overall and with training, can achieve the same results as it and without so much of the strain. It's what Toei always seemed to miss about Toriyama's writing which led to them doing things like False Super Saiyan, Kaioken X100, Legendary Super Saiyan (Though that one had the limitation of the user's body becoming so filled up with power that you'd eventually have to expel the excess energy otherwise you'd run the risk of exploding.) and yes, Super Saiyan 4. They focused on spectacle and the idea of marketing a new transformation and like some fans, seemed to be under the impression that Dragon Ball was just 100% about getting new ridiculous levels of power while ignoring that was only a part of the equation and not the main point.

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MetalAmy In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2022-10-20 13:48:49 +0000 UTC]

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to MetalAmy [2022-10-20 15:25:19 +0000 UTC]

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to WOLFBLADE111 [2019-05-23 09:18:50 +0000 UTC]

More like it'd be a recolored/slightly edited SS5.

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WOLFBLADE111 In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2019-05-23 11:51:45 +0000 UTC]

Or that.

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to WOLFBLADE111 [2019-05-23 13:08:44 +0000 UTC]

Either way... bleh. Honestly this is the kind of form that screams "Hey! I'm going to start a hair-metal band!" more than a god form.

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WOLFBLADE111 In reply to The-Aspiring-Creator [2019-05-23 14:13:07 +0000 UTC]

To Each Their Own.

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The-Aspiring-Creator In reply to WOLFBLADE111 [2019-05-23 14:20:24 +0000 UTC]

I mean yes but also considering what I've seen from people that usually declare that something is so much better? I'm side-eying them like those who support MaStar.

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Thunderstudent In reply to WOLFBLADE111 [2019-05-21 03:59:40 +0000 UTC]

I agree but I was going for the original design by Tadayoshi Yamamuro rather than rehashing the same recolored SSJ4 yet again. Thanks

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WOLFBLADE111 In reply to Thunderstudent [2019-05-21 18:26:50 +0000 UTC]

I know.

You're welcome.

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