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Sursion In reply to GhostofBurden [2014-03-23 00:38:50 +0000 UTC]

Wrong. Casey Hudson wrote the ending with no outside input. He is to blame for the catastrophe.

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Troodon80 In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-09-30 10:22:32 +0000 UTC]

Even so, there would have been backlash. But I agree up to a point. It wasn't just the endings, though. There was controversy right from the very start. Fuelled by that script leak, too.

It would have needed the From Ashes DLC in the game from the start, too, or avoid having a living prothean at all; else you get too much trope - plus, day-1 DLC is never a good thing when trying to win over fans.

The problem with the ending is what is implied with each choice: genocide, totalitarianism, forced eugenics, and suicide.

Even the Extended Cut didn't really address these issues that people had, it just added clarity to the choices and the aftermath of the endings. There was still a lack of scaling consequence with each. I get the impression that they didn't need clarity, they needed an overhaul. But that time has long since passed.

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Troodon80 [2012-09-30 16:15:07 +0000 UTC]

When I was speaking of backlash, I was referring only to that generated from the ending. I had almost forgotten about the controversy about From Ashes (It never really bothered me that much ), and I had never even read the leaked sctipt before playing the game, and when I did, it didn't really make sense to me.

I simply feel that if Leviathan had been in from the beginning, we would have had some warning or foreshadowing about the star child, and it would not seemed to have come completely out of left field in the end. And If Extended Cut had been in, we would not have been asking "Wait the mass relays blew up, and everyone's stranded! What happens to everyone now??" and we would not have been as mad as we were. Yeah, some people would still be pissed about the choices they have to make, but at least there would be some closure with them.

But then again, people just may have complained a bunch about it anyway. People just seem to like finding things to complain about. 'Specially on the internetz.

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Troodon80 In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-09-30 17:17:00 +0000 UTC]

Very true. I've done my fair share of complaining, too. But to be honest, I don't really care (as in emotional attachment) all that much for the franchise anymore... so I don't really feel much for the endings now. Life is busy enough with work, if I spend all my time worrying about a game nothing is ever going to get done .

Some foreshadowing would have been great, but hindsight and all that. We can all sit on the sidelines and say it could have been better, but we aren't on the development team so we have no idea what other variables were at work.

I just have to wonder where it all went wrong.

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Troodon80 [2012-09-30 17:33:51 +0000 UTC]

It didn't really go wrong.
ME3 was, hands-down, the best game of the series, in my opinion. It was one of the best games I've played in my life. Out of a good 30-40 hour experience, 150-200 hours for the trilogy as a whole, only the last 10 minutes were 'bad'.

...It's weird how much of a difference those ten minutes made. 0_o

If you think of the journey and not the destination as much, the game really didn't go wrong.

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Artorius-XV In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-11-26 10:21:10 +0000 UTC]

I thought ME3 had quite a few plotholes.

I never understood the ''Cerberus is the enemy again'' concept, for the Paragons, yes, it makes sense.

For the Renegades, not so much, Renegade Shepard was more then willing to go along with TIM at the end of ME2, if he kept up.

''You brought me back to lead this war and that is what I'm going to do. If you can keep up, great, if not, I'll stop the Reapers without you.''

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Artorius-XV [2012-11-26 17:21:32 +0000 UTC]

I think Cerberus became the enemy for Renegade Shepard because they began to use Reaper methods to fight the Reapers (Indoctrinating their own soldiers) and near the second half of the game, it was becoming quite clear that they were indoctrinated by the Reapers themselves, therefore not viable allies. Paragon or Renegade, Shepard was fighting for the survival of the galaxy and humans, and he would not have gotten very far with heavily indoctrinated allies.

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Artorius-XV In reply to Artorius-XV [2012-11-26 10:52:01 +0000 UTC]

I will admit Leviathan was good though, the game itself was not bad, but it became a lot less shiny to me when I saw the characters die off one by one.

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Artorius-XV [2012-11-26 17:28:09 +0000 UTC]

Some of the deaths only made it more emotional for me. (Especially Mordin's. T_T)
Well, in a war of that scale, there has to be casualties.

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Lieutenant-America In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-12-12 23:08:56 +0000 UTC]

I still think Legion's death was unnecessary. Hell, I think the whole "Geth-Reaper Upgrade" thing was a bad idea to begin with. Here's what they COULD have done:
Choice 1: Let legion upgrade the Geth, making them more efficient, and thus, giving you more War Asset points, but at the consequence of Legion's death, the Geth basically giving up their basic ideology of self-determinational evolution, and the Geth dying if you choose Destroy.
Choice 2: Talk Legion out of the upgrade, netting you far less War Asset points, but with the benefit of sparing the Geth if you choose Destroy, as well as saving Legion (himself now a War Asset)
I think this would have been a better way of going at it. Still, they only had so much time to finish the game.

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Lieutenant-America [2012-12-12 23:53:25 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how talking Legion out of the upgrade would spare the Geth from the destroy option. They're synthetics. No matter what way you slice it, the destroy option would destroy them.

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Lieutenant-America In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-12-13 02:09:55 +0000 UTC]

I assumed that Destroy fried them because they downloaded Reaper Code into themselves. (Incidentally, REAPER CODE? Turned off your common sense, Legion?) Same with EDI, who was made with bits from Sovereign.

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dragonartistJRR In reply to Lieutenant-America [2012-12-13 03:23:14 +0000 UTC]

It's not the fact that they have reaper code in them, it's the fact that they're AIs in general. I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think I remember the catalyst saying something to the effect that even VIs would be destroyed by the pulse. Remember Avina? Yep, kaput.

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Lieutenant-America In reply to dragonartistJRR [2012-12-13 22:54:35 +0000 UTC]

I'm not entirely saddened at the loss of Avina if this is true, but if this is the case, that's just another thing Bioware should've done differently. Truth be told, I think they should have gotten another year or two to work on it.

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Locks-and-Chains In reply to JackieBlackie [2012-09-15 14:28:34 +0000 UTC]

Harby does have the six eyes though... Maybe he lost his middle tentacle? I dunno... We can only guess.
On another note, these guys scare me more than the Reapers. What if they decide to "reclaim" their place as the apex of th galaxy? D:

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paladin-slim In reply to Locks-and-Chains [2012-09-20 01:44:19 +0000 UTC]

Then we kill them. We get as manys ships as it takes and turn that ocean planet hideout into itty bitty ice chunks from orbit and using the debris field of aforementioned ice arrange into a message along the lines of "This what you get when you create synthetics to harvest organic life !" and prop up a corpse of one as a warning.
...
I hate Reapers.

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Eurephys In reply to paladin-slim [2013-04-28 09:30:46 +0000 UTC]

Say you're right, and the Leviathans do decide to reclaim their place.

By the time they even announce their plans, they probably have systems under their control. They've probably had their thralls ship them to other oceanic planets. Hell, the hanar homeworld probably would contain one or two. Even Earth, considering currently, we haven't even surveyed our oceans properly.

Soon as the Leviathans catch wind of us trying to counter them, they can crush our governments easily.

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Troodon80 In reply to RoboMonkey03 [2012-09-02 19:30:03 +0000 UTC]

It's not just you. The Reapers were made in their image.

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Yatoka In reply to RoboMonkey03 [2012-09-02 15:13:28 +0000 UTC]

Harbinger (the very 1st reaper) was built from their species

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