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Published: 2017-11-15 13:16:23 +0000 UTC; Views: 5044; Favourites: 25; Downloads: 0
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So I did some calculations, and checked some information. And I figured that the information provided by the wikipedia, doesn't seem to make up for actual footage from the series.So, I checked around a bit, only to find the info to not be supported by any existing reference.
I really hope this is okay to post, I want to avoid any copyright stuff... but hopefully this is okay.
(This speculation has been solved by the fact that it's not the Arquitens that's being too big, it's the Interdictor being shown too small.)
(Star Wars Rebels belongs to Lucas arts/Disney)
(Research provided by me)
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I always thought the Quasar fire was too small to be a carrier.
Second the ship the arquitens crashes into is a modified INterdictor star destroyer and is 1129 meters, not 600.
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Do you have proof to back up that second claim?
Because if you can't back up your claim with actual facts, I'll stay with the Interdictor being 600 m.
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vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stβ¦
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Mhm. Is it a legends or Canon book?
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So, it's Canon?
Well, you got this Interdictor's length specified on a more reliable source? Such as maybe wookipedia?
I mean,sure, wookipedia has some flaws,but most of its info is pretty reliable.
Besides, I can't find any information that should say the Interdictor is anything else but 600 m. Even the prototype model should be this length.
Only thing I found was that in the game, empire at war, the Interdictor is apparently longer than a 752 m. Acclamator. But that's about it. :/
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Hmmm...
I hope you realize that the length which is referenced in that book you mentioned, might be incorrect.
Appearantly, there's a LOT of missinformation in the book.
Like calling a pelta class frigate a YT-2400 model, or using the moon of Rugosa when referring to Toydaria.
Or saying that Malevolence fought for the first time in the Abregado system something even the show states it did not, or saying the Sphyrna class Corvette is 315 m. when it's seen to be closer in size to a CR-90 Corvette, or even writing Grievous as Grevious.
All I am saying is, that book that based the Interdictor's length has a lot of missinformation.
It is no surprise if it's length is incorrect according to that book.
Also, if you're interested in getting information more correctly, I would recommend using a more reliable Wikipedia than what you're using.
So by all means, utilize wookipedia instead. You're welcome.
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That's the fault of the animators before specifications were established.
A "Corvette" is between 100-200 meters anyway.
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So... What you are saying is that the people who animated the ships, who basically made them the way they are ment to be, are the ones who are wrong?
While people who just takes a guess and determines that to be the length, are correct???
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Animators make mistakes and I never said that. In the past ship length was a fixed round number (150 meters, 1600 meters, 300 meters, 1200 meters) The scale of models as other models flying over bluescreen, this is why the Executor has had to have been scaled up so many times over the years (8000, 12800, 17600, 19000). When the prequels came out, scale became more important and explainable and more precise numbers (115 meters, 1137 meters, etc) because they could measure models or they existed as CGI elements which were composited onto what was already being shot by camera; which could be scaled in comparison to things we already knew the length of.
Today's CGI elements are entirely digitally screen oriented, they have physics engines with 3 axis, x,y,z so we now have ship lengths down to the decimals (MC75 for example at 1204.44 meters) because we can scale it up or down with a set of 1,2,8,16 pixels representing a person or something a person may have or drive and scale it up by measuring the physical arrangement of pixels in proximity to the inserted element. So if a six foot tall (1.8288 meters) human is 3 pixels high a ship that's 120 pixels tall is 73.15199 feet or 22.3 meters high.
The scale of warships is also rendered on naming convention based on size.
Corvette: 100-200 meters
Frigate: 200-400 meters
Cruiser: 400-600 meters
Heavy Cruiser: 600-1000 meters
Star Destroyer: 1000-2000 meters
Battlecruiser: 2000-5000 meters
Dreadnought: 5000~
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Can I just stop you right there.
If the scale of warships was rendered on naming conventions based on size, then explain to me why the Malevolence is a Subjugator class heavy cruiser, when it's 4845m. Long.
Or how about the munificent class star frigate? 825 m.
Or how about this?
The dreadnought class heavy cruiser at 600 m.
So no. It's not always based around size.
And yes, more previous sizes of ships had much rounder numbers, but to blame it all on the animators is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I mean,they likely didn't even think to much about the exact size or length anyways.
And yes, I am aware that the super star destroyer got resized a couple of times, so what?
The important thing is that it now a days has a more accurate size compared to the scenes it's shown in. And in the future, we'll likely get much more accurate lengths of ships such as the Arquitens or Interdictor.
But if you think about it, the Interdictor never really was that big looking. I mean, it's definitely less than half the length of an ISD.
So it just cannot be a thousand meters long. I mean, does it look like the size of a Venator to you?
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Blame the writers. Ship size is a matter of navy. Second a "Heavy Cruiser" and battlecruiser in some naval capacity may be the same. In informal use, it was used for the largest and strongest warships in a fleet that were not true battleships regardless of size.
Also the ship looks big to me
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stβ¦
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Well, in our world when it came to ship sizes, it usually went like this: light cruiser>heavy cruiser>battlecruiser> battleship.
Not necessarily size that was the factor for battlecruiser and battleship though. It came more down to shear firepower there. As HMS Hood was a 262 m. Battlecruiser, and Bismarck was a 251 m. Battleship.
Albeit, dreadnought and battleship was often categorized as the same, as well as super dreadnoughts.
And just because a ship has a lot of details, doesn't automatically make it big.
I believe we won't come to an agreement on the matter, so let's agree to disagree. You say the ship is 1129 m., I'll stick to the more reliable source and say it's about 600 m.
The future will determine who is right and who isn't.
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Just gotta say that the ones in the image you show are probably sitting at a higher level then the ISD, hence why they look smaller and the Interdictor is actually 1,129 meters long not 600 meters. Not to mention that a much more solid comparison could have been made between the Arquitens and Tie fighters and Lambda/Sentinel shuttles. So everything checks out for the Arquitens to be 325 meters in length as stated.Β
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Okay...?
And where did you get that number from?
I do belive you are thinking about the LEGENDS version of the Interdictor?
Well in THAT case, I think you should check the cannon version of the Interdictor instead. It's different from the legend version after all.
And it's not a dumb idea to use TIE fighters or such to further reinforce my claims about the Arquittens being less than 325 meters long.
So, I respect you're thoughts, but I think you're using the wrong version of the Interdictor to successfully back up your claim.
But, if you have more proper information about the case, show me, and maybe I will have to change my mind? Who knows? XP
I just know that according to my own measurements, the Arquittens is around 190 m. Or something.
And all current pictures support my claim so far.
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It makes more sense that the Interdictor is bigger in cannon, which it is, than a cannon ship being smaller than it actually is. And yes I did the measurements and if the Arquitens was only 190m there would be no way for tie fighters to fit in between the forward spars. As well as the measurement linked above comparing it to a Sentinel that puts it at around 300m. If anything the animation is slightly inconsistant, but I tend to go with cannon numbers so long as they're not coming from the databank.
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The interdictor from Canon is fairly small in comparison to that of a star destroyer, at least that we can agree on.
And in legends, the interdictors looks more like a imperial star destroyer, only scaled down.
Both are stated to be 600 m. Long, now, it could be that the interdictors are actually longer, but they still apears roughly half the length of a star destroyer, if not smaller.
So if we where to scale up the arquitens command cruiser to that of 325 m. The interdictor could end up scaling to maybe 900-1'000 meters in length. That more than half the size of a imperil star destroyer.
It's on par with a victory class.
When talking about tie fighters, I'll check around a bit and see what I can find out.
Maybe you're right, maybe I'm right. We'll see. XP
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Thank you for useful info. It can be hard to get anything valuable about the rarer star wars ships.
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Nice of you to notice that. Getting sized right can be hard
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Yea, it sure can.
And in certain asspects, the ecsact mesurements are just plain impossible. So, i went with the most likely. XP
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