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It was the conversation about the this ship not long ago, so I suddenly changed my plans and drew HMS Courageous instead of HMS Repulse, which I planned to draw.Initially Courageous was the battlecruiser built during WWI. As well as Renown fav.me/d5ofqiw , she saw the light thanks to the ideas of First Sea Lord John Fisher. Courageous and her sistership Glorious had lesser displacement than Renown, and only two 2-barrelled turrets with 15" guns, while Renown had three of the same design. But the combination of big guns and paper armor wasn't good. So after the WWI it was decided to reconstruct the battlecruiser into the aircraft carrier. Reconstruction lasted from 1924 to 1930. After that Courageous at different times was attached to Mediterranean, Atlantic and Home fleets. When WWII was started, HMS Courageous was ordered to hunt German submarines in the Western Approaches area. But hunter became the prey. On the evening of 17 September 1939 U-29 hit her by two torpedoes, and she sunk with 519 of her crew.
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I Know Little Bit About Her. She Was Sunk By A German Nazi U Boat In The Atlantic Ocean.
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The best way to use a battlecruiser: Turn it into an aircraft-carrier!
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А вот это кстати крутая штука. Я ее периодически пересматриваю. На мой взгляд, лучшее изображение стального утюга в этой галерее.
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Хоо. А в чем причина? Ну кроме того, что среди остальных он больше всех похож на утюг.
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Причина в обобщении. Обычно у этих утюгов каждая волна нарисована и каждая деталька самого утюга зовет к себе. из-за этого создается дробность рисунка: внимание зрителя как бы летит во все стороны. Здесь же волны быстро становятся менее заметными к горизонту, все уходит в равномерный тон, детали утюга ближе к нам видны, дальше сливаются, и внимание зрителя более сосредоточено. Изображение легче схватить как целое. Если взять следующий утюг - там опять все честно нарисовано с равной силой контрастов/прорисовки и из-за этого общее впечатление слабее.
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Хм. Есть такая проблема. Впрочем, я не знаю, как ее решить, когда утюг стоит почти параллельно зрителю, как в последних двух. Там хочешь не хочешь надо нарисовать все волны от нижнего края листа и вплоть до борта.
Сейчас меня отпустит приступ тохотизма, и я возьмусь за лежащий под сукном скетч с целым выводком утюгов. Там можно попробовать распределить детализацию и контраст как надо.
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Ок. У меня еще есть подозрение что дело в том что сам утюг скорее похож на силуэт, То, как силует окружен светлой зоной облаков но они сами прижаты градиентом неба - таким образом силуэт корабля как бы придавлен сверху небом и выдавлен снизу водой - то есть все направляет внимание на него, и ничто не отвлекает его в сторону. Картинка - как бы водоворот внимания, куда ни посмотри, взгляд будет перенаправлен к посудине. То есть дело в композиции светлых и темных пятен вокруг корабля. Ведь такого рода штуки можно делать в любом ракурсе, значит оно применимо к любому утюгу. То есть здесь решение более абстрактное - не все предметно нарисовано (каждая антенна-труба), а есть игра светлых и темных зон, тонально-цветовых пятен. Если рисование обычного утюга более является литературно-описательным и даже перечислительным, то такое - чисто пластическое. Да, в этом дело. Всё, говорить про рисование легче чем рисовать, так что затыкаюсь.
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Бака такая самокритичная. ^_^'
В следующий раз будет сложно сделать все подобным образом. С небом проблем не будет - там точно так же у горизонта теснятся яркие кучевые облака, оттеняющие силуэты посудин. А вот с водой сложнее, ибо море должно быть достаточно неспокойным, и оно по яркости приближается к силуэтам кораблей... Пены побольше набросаю, наверное.
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А, но думаю, что это бесполезно пытаться делать сознательно. Само придёт. А если не придет - то придет какое-то другое рисование, не менее правомерное.
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Convoy escort and sub hunting may not have gotten a lot of glory. But a lot of men lived because of the ships that got "stuck" with that duty.
I like the colors you used. gives it an odd look and feel.
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Yes. And, as usually, almost nobody remember those men who did the most hard work - monotonous escort and patrol duties.
I'm glad you like this picture.
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Glory and fame are usually only gt handed out when something goes incredibly wrong, and someone manages to pull it out of the fire. ( see any article on Taffy three )
The men who served on the Courageous, and any other picket, escort, patrol vessel deserve an occasonal pic/painting/article and mention as ,uch maybe moe than some of the bogger battles and more famous vessels....
My grandfather survived a U-boat attack...barely. and it the transport he was on was part of a well escorted convoy... so from family history I know how bad it would have been. If those sailor hadn't risked their lives, and endured a good deal of stress, discomfort, and extreme danger to do their job.
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That's why I try to draw destroyers more often than capital ships. But it isn't easy task because of the lack of the detailed information about them.
May I ask you to tell your grandfather's story in details?
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well I'd have to look up the details. But as I know the story he was standing on the deck of a transport, on it's way to England carrying troops and ammunition for the D-day invasion.
A U-boat attacked and the escorts went after it. Unfortunately there was another one. Which manage to torpedo the transport, which set off it's cargo.
They fished a few survivors out of the water. less than a dozen. My grandfather was one of them. and spent the rest of the war in the hospital.
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Bloody sad story. There were thousands of such stories, that's why Battle of the Atlantic looks highly grim.
If you could find out more information (for example, date of the disaster, weather and time of day (it's important), name of your grandfather's transport ship etc), we would be able to reconstruct the events of that day, find names of participated ships, and draw something about it.
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The battle of the Atlantic was probably the key battle of the entire war. If not for escorts, aviators, and very clever people working night and day, Britain, and Russian could not have hung on.
Considering the coastlines off my home ( north Carolina) was called torpedo alley. It's been a story I have always been fascinated by.
Even My Civil Air Patrol textbooks had a chapter on the Civil Air Patrols sub hunter patrols.[link]
Now that would be awesome. I'll ask around and get the details for you....I seem to remember there's a letter we got when he died.
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Atlantic was very important seat of war, o course. Especially for Great Britain, which was receiving all needed supplies via the Atlantic. I don't even blame you that you are underestimate importance of the titanic campaign on the Eastern front. It is distinguishing feature of all (or almost all) Anglo-Saxons, after all. You have many interesting books about campaigns you fought in, but I can't remember any single book which described events on the Eastern Front properly. I don't try to start mere arguing, sir, and I don't try to depreciate the role of those brave men who worked, fought and died in the cold waters of Atlantic. Also I don't try to depreciate the role of supplies provided by Allies (thanks Lord, most of them routed not via the Atlantic, but via Persia). It just looks wrong that most of the world considers Eastern front, where casualties on both sides are estimated at millions, as secondary seat of war, while other lesser seats of war are zealously extoling to the skies. Sorry for this lyrical digression once again, I'm a Russian, after all, you know.
>>Civil Air Patrols sub hunter patrols
Tiny, but very intersting article, I dare to say. We can only thank those men, who selflessly sought the subs without even shadow of reward.
>> I'll ask around and get the details for you
I'll wait with patience.
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I apologize if I seemed to downgrade the role of Russia in the war. The eastern front was probably the most brutal war fought in the history of mankind.
The US could not have endured the casualties the Russians took Or have managed to rebuild an industrial system under the threat of direct attack.
Stalingrad, Kursk, Sevastopol,Leningrad, and No one who ever read a book on world war two should not know about Stalingrad. The battles in the east were bad enough to make Germans look forward to being transferred to the western front.
The US had a major advantage in the war..a huge water hazard on two of it's borders, a secure Ally to the north, and no countries to it's south that had the military to pose a serious threat.
As long as the troops, and supplies from US factories could get across the ocean the factories could run night and day without the threat of attack.
If Hitler had not attacked Russia the British, would not have been able to hold out,and Allies would have never been able to force a landing in Europe against the full force of the German armies.
In a lot of ways Russians bought the victory in Europe with blood.
>>There is a better section on the sub hunters in the Civil Air Patrol text books...[link] It starts around page 8 or so.
According to this section the Civilian pilots in the program
reported 173 U-boats sighted, sunk two, and had dropped a total of 83 bombs and
depth charges upon 57 of these – with several other “probables.”
and these guys had no combat training and were "armed civilians" if captured
And I never take offense when someone presents their views politely and without the usual insults and bluster found on the internet.
Someone Having strong feelings and expressing them rationally.Is one of the few things that makes it worth my time to come to a site
>>About all the info i have now that my Grandfather was Olaf Hankins, and served in the US army. His ship was sunk in route to England, in preparation for D-day.
unfortunately I didn't learn of his story until he died, and then it was too late to ask..
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>>I apologize if I seemed to downgrade the role of Russia in the war...
Don't worry. I was just afraid a bit that your sight is covered by the shroud of jingoism. Thanks Lord, I was wrong.
>>There is a better section on the sub hunters in the Civil Air Patrol text books..
Thanks for sharing this. I've read the chapters about the history of CAP and USAF with pleasure (and skimmed through sections with the organization and other special questions). I've never heard about CAP before you told me. And I was stunned by that story about the men who gathered together to protect the borders of their country and to help armed forces to beat the enemy. Yes, it was great to learn about their selfless and disinterested deeds.
>>unfortunately I didn't learn of his story until he died, and then it was too late to ask..
It is sad... But chins up. We can only praise the Heavens which allowed your grandfather to live to a venerable age and not to die in the cold waters of the Atlantics.
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>>Don't worry. I was just afraid a bit that your sight is covered by the shroud of jingoism. Thanks Lord, I was wrong.
No worries...sometimes over here in the states we get a little bit of tunnel vision. But reading about the wars, and history of other countries has given me a great deal of respect for other countries....I honestly have more respect for Russian than some of the countries that have always been our "allies' it's an old country, with a history that sometimes reads like Epic Fiction....but it's true
>>I've never heard about CAP before you told me. And I was stunned by that story about the men who gathered together to protect the borders of their country.
It's not well known even in the US. It's always been a small and not well publicized.
Those guys back in WWII were a rare breed. If they ever did receive any credit they'd probably just smile and look embarrassed by the attention
>>It is sad... But chins up. We can only praise the Heavens which allowed your grandfather to live to a venerable age and not to die in the cold waters of the Atlantics.
Every day he woke up was a day he should not have lived to see...so the fact I got to spend time with him. and learn what sort of man he was was a real honor.
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Sorry for the late reply.
>>reading about the wars, and history of other countries
It was soviet writer Valentin Pikul. He was writing really interesting historical novels about different epochs - from XVI century to WWII. I sought any of his book text translated into English to show you, but I failed. I didn't found even his famous book 'The Requiem for Convoy PQ-17'. Maybe his books were not translated into English at all. His view was too... pro-Russian, so American and British (especially British) translators just spurned his books.
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Unfortunately, until recently, any Russian Material was not something publishers would be lining up to publish. Especially if it was Pro-Russian.
Hopefully now that we've gotten past glaring at each other over loaded guns maybe some Russian work will make it's way across the ocean.
I'd love to read about the war from the Russian view point. It's the only side of the war I know very little about.
I've been fortunate to speak to men who fought on Both sides. there isn't a large Russian population in my home area.
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>>maybe some Russian work will make it's way across the ocean
Don't get upset. There are many good anglo-saxons' writers. Alistair MacLean, for example. Did you read his 'HMS Ulysses'? Nice book. Although it is no historical novel, but it represents the tragedy of convoys and escorts well. Too well.
>>Russian view point. It's the only side of the war I know very little about.
Only about the Eastern front? I'm envy you. For example, I know about the war site in China and Indo-China almost nothing.
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I'll see if I can find that book and read it.
well I had the great fortune of meeting several veterans from various theaters of war when I worked in a retirement home.
and I have always been a reader, so I read every book I could get my hands on.
In school My librarian was a Japanese woman who had family who fought for the Imperial Army. One of my best friends grandfather was a German veteran.
I've always found that Veterans can tell you more about the day to day war than any book can.
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>> ...when I worked in a retirement home.
I'm getting more and more interesting facts from your biography.
>>My librarian was a Japanese woman...
It's great that you have such an acquaintances. You really may learn many interesting from them.
>>I read every book I could get my hands on...
Very glad to hear it. There are not so much men who like to read even on this side of the border. Unfortunately, the old joke 'In my life I've read only three books - ABC book, the second one and the blue one' becomes real.
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sorry for the long delay...got buried under some projects.
You learn more from life than books...and I've had a pretty interesting series of jobs.
"I dont like to read" it's boring" is a comment I hear to often.. is that a movie" is another.
Thing is unless you read all you get is what other people want you to know
By te way looking up more on my grandfather hope to find out more from an uncle when he visits.
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>>sorry for the long delay
No problem, I sin in such a way sometimes too. By the way, glad to hear you.
>>"I dont like to read" it's boring" is a comment I hear to often.. is that a movie" is another.
Oh, it sounds too familiar. ^^'
>> to find out more from an uncle when he visits.
It will be great, if you would learn something interesting about it.
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Excellent work sir - good to see the Royal Navy carriers getting some attention! 
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Thank you, sir. ^^
Somebody has to do it, and... those carriers were interesting ships, after all. It wouldn't be interesting, if every maritime painter would draw only Bismarck attacked by Swordfishes or any other well known subject.
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They were very interesting - lots of different classes to choose from!
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Nice depth and texture to sea and sky. Ship well detailed.
These earlier carriers designs seemed to have more personality than the productionized flat tops that followed, even if they didn't carry as many planes or handle them as well.
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Thanks.
You're right, those early carriers were interesting ships, each of them had his own identity, because they were the first of their class, not numerous, engineers didn't new how to build them properly, and admirals didn't new, how to use them and what task the aircraft carriers must perform. It's always interesting to read about the trials and errors in any field of human activity, and these carriers bear the seal of trial and error method.
Although these carriers couldn't carry plenty of planes, it wasn't their critical weakness. British Fleet Air Arm just hadn't enough planes and pilots to arm each carrier with full strength air group.
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For example, Akagi and Kaga had three flight decks forward, plus 8"(203mm) guns in turrets. They were much inferior to their USN counterparts until being rebuilt in the mid 1930's with single full length flight decks.
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Yes, supposedly that lowest flight deck was seldom used as it was too wet, heavy seas always breaking over it, same with Ryujo. Even the Essex types were later enclosed up front in refits.
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I'm glad you like the details which required plenty of time... My efforts were not in vain.
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Thank you for such a high mark, lady
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Thank you, Antonis. I'm glad you like this one.
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The US Navy converted our incomplete battlecruisers Lexington and Saratoga into aircraft carriers, as did the Japanese with their Akagi and Kaga. Had circumstances allowed, the Borodino class battlecruisers might have been good conversion candidates for the Russians.
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I didn't know that Borodino class battlecruisers (Izmail class in Russian) were planned to convert into aircraft carriers. Thanks Lord Council of People's Commissars members were wise enough not to start the conversion. The country needed to recover the economy, and building of numerous capital ships could just ruin the recover plans.
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My thoughts about converting the Borodino class into carriers was just speculation by me because they were similar in speed and length to Kaga.
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In that case you hit the bull's-eye. Because convertation of the Izmail into the aircraft carrier was started in 1925, and was hold in 1926.
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Exactly. Once had a fellow ship modeller say that Kaga was a "weird ship" and ran the list you just mentioned to him. Only differences were that Lex had a closed bow. Hmmm yes, Borodino would have worked. Wonder what plane types would have went to sea there? Lagg5 and maybe IL2 -
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