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I haven't uploaded anything for such a long time that I had trouble finding all the right buttons.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agyi6X… - Rising Star Fife & Drum Band. 1557 views - a few more won't hurt.
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jon-bibire [2016-04-26 20:58:46 +0000 UTC]

i can resonate painfully but joyfully with this amazing work....

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undefinedreference In reply to jon-bibire [2016-04-27 07:49:11 +0000 UTC]

It somehow seems to reflect The Human Condition at a very basic level: none of really have a clue about who we are and what we're doing, do we?

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jon-bibire In reply to undefinedreference [2016-04-27 22:36:00 +0000 UTC]

we do

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retransmission [2016-04-26 05:24:57 +0000 UTC]

I also thought about a piece of coal and mines. This hints about the internal debates and reflections in my interpretation of course.

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undefinedreference In reply to retransmission [2016-04-27 07:47:34 +0000 UTC]

Did you want to become a coal miner at some point in your life?

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retransmission In reply to undefinedreference [2016-05-19 05:03:26 +0000 UTC]

I do not think so. This occupation has always seemed to me very difficult, similar to a real feat. I remember some pictures of Van Gogh dedicated to the miners and his memories of this. It was a real hell.

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undefinedreference In reply to retransmission [2016-05-19 07:02:58 +0000 UTC]

Many of those "dark" paintings of Van Gogh are in a museum near where I live. They aren't much fun to look at, and very much the opposite of the heroic workers depicted in the Social Realist paintings from the Soviet Union. However, both views are "true". I used to live near an area where there were lots of coals mines, and those miners were proud people. Yes, they lived and worked in harsh and often deadly conditions, but rather than to complain about those they took great pride in being able to cope with them (that's until they were lying on their death beds, dying from pneumoconiosis of course). Besides, all workers in Van Gogh's time lived in similar conditions. "Too poor to live, too rich to die" the old socialists used to call it over here. Another one of their catchphrases was about the local priest meeting up with the factory owner on a Saturday evening: "You keep 'em poor, I'll keep 'em stupid"

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retransmission In reply to undefinedreference [2016-05-24 06:11:31 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for your story about this. I understand what you mean about the Soviet socialist realist paintings. At one time I had an interest in this genre. These paintings are usually full of positive, but in reality these people had a very hard work and life, anyway it's all propaganda.
Dark paintings of Van Gogh paintings have a special atmosphere, they are very sincere. He was able to understand ordinary people.

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undefinedreference In reply to retransmission [2016-05-25 19:59:58 +0000 UTC]

I don't know enough about the Soviet Union to be able to tell whether socialist realism was pure propaganda being imposed on the people from above, or that it was a message at least part of the Russian population identified with and loved to hear. If I look at the propaganda being poured out of the Kremlin today, it seems both apply. I was reading articles from VZGLYAD this morning and they perfectly match the theme of this painting: www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/f… . And it reflects the sentiments of a large (and rather self-destructive, it seems) part of the European population as well. What bothers me most at the moment is the question how on earth people who like to think of themselves as "fighters against fascism" can at the same time actively support parties abroad (from a Russian point of view, i.e. right here where I live) that have pretty obvious roots in Nazist ideology, and in some cases don't even try to hide them. The ones who support them have to be either utterly stupid or really evil. You don't have to reply to that, but I think you know that I'm talking about.

Van Gogh saw what others didn't want to see. Here are a few pictures from the northeast of The Netherlands from the start of the 20st century: www.janmulderij.nl/images/plag… www.janmulderij.nl/images/plag… www.karigro.nl/drenthe/plaggen… . People in the towns and cities wouldn't even know, and didn't want to know, that such places existed, or they would just ridicule those people for living like that. I doubt that Van Gogh's Potato Eaters was very popular back then. today there are people who are braindead enough to find such places "romantic".

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retransmission In reply to undefinedreference [2016-06-17 10:00:37 +0000 UTC]

I understand what you mean. Propaganda is a very powerful influence on people's minds, unfortunately it works here. Most people believe in TV.  Who knows, maybe 1984 by Orwell is not the past, but rather the future. I think time will show it.  

Thank you for the old photos, they are very atmospheric. Those people had a very difficult life, but anyway I can see they do not lose heart.

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undefinedreference In reply to retransmission [2016-06-19 19:13:07 +0000 UTC]

It's a bit of a personal issue because my parents vote for those populists In fact ever since Putin has been humping up the legs of these parties, they're suddenly his greatest fans They both have a fascist mentality in the true sense: strong leadership, tough justice, kick the jobless into work camps and "deal with" those filthy left-wing liberals, foreigners back to where they "belong". I saw that these populist parties are being sold in Russia as "moderate patriotic parties", which is exactly how they like to be perceived. However all of them are deeply rooted in neo nazi movements and ideas, the followers of which still form their core. While their leaders aren't keen on moving these people to the forefront because that wouldn't be great PR, they can't turn their backs on them either, because in the end they're the very reason for these parties to exist. They're basically what holds these parties together. Whether the leaders will be able to hold them back forever is everyone's best guess. If they do take over, they will without doubt prove stupid enough to start a war against Russia at some point. Putin might be playing with the same fire one of his predecessors did 77 years ago. These people don't think rationally. If at all

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Ninorabbi [2016-04-21 18:16:55 +0000 UTC]

Intriguing, looks like a piece of coal but then its maybe not...cool stuff

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undefinedreference In reply to Ninorabbi [2016-04-21 19:09:17 +0000 UTC]

It's a light-colored boulder (at least) duplicated and in negative. What makes this boulder interesting are the ridges, which have been formed by centuries of strong and icy dust-filled tundra winds, which sand-blasted the boulder stuck in the perma-frozen gravel into shape, very much like this one: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia… . What makes it still more interesting (to me) is that I found it practically around the corner on the heath, where there are still tons of those things yet to be uncovered. I happen to live in top of a huge pile of gravel deposited by glaciers during the ice age. I have five of those ventrifacts/windkanters, in different sizes. I tried to photograph them, but the photos came out utterly uninteresting because of my lack of macro photography skills. But then one of them eventually got to serve a purpose after all in this form. Thanks

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Ninorabbi In reply to undefinedreference [2016-04-21 22:00:00 +0000 UTC]

Nice, apart from your artworks I like your ability to interpret and get your philosphy behind what you do into elaborate sentences. It puts your work in a context which pushes the whole into something more unified. I miss that sometimes in my work

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threadzone [2016-04-18 05:15:50 +0000 UTC]

a new piece! love it

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undefinedreference In reply to threadzone [2016-04-18 19:02:14 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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Ragnar949 [2016-04-16 01:12:36 +0000 UTC]

stunning portrait

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undefinedreference In reply to Ragnar949 [2016-04-16 14:53:23 +0000 UTC]

The music is quite stunning too btw, check it out, I'm sure you'll love it. America's finest!

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Ragnar949 In reply to undefinedreference [2016-04-23 10:52:36 +0000 UTC]

It's cool stuff

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undefinedreference In reply to Ragnar949 [2016-04-16 10:30:52 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, it just happened like anything I ever made, but then still it has to be a reflection of something going on inside me. Glad you like it

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