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MissUmlaut [2011-09-29 19:25:13 +0000 UTC]

Good balance, mysterious arrow sign or fishes or snakes. Runes ? Running runes on the ruines of civilazation.

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undefinedreference In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-09-29 20:15:18 +0000 UTC]

Just to spoil the runic magic (runes are for hippies and fascist hippies (the SS were a bunch of hippies themselves, deeply fascinated with Nordic gods and Tibet and crap like that (romanticism is a destructive and deadly thing))), it's from "Hans-Christoph Steiner's score for Solitude, created using Pure Data's data structures.". At [link] . Yes, stolen

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MissUmlaut In reply to undefinedreference [2011-09-30 11:12:15 +0000 UTC]

I was not aware of this actual connotation of runes ; for me they are evocative of ancient times, lost languages carved on stone. Nordic runes, but also in some places like home (Brittany) or Tassili desert.
So far I know, some very few tribes in Marocco in desert use a written language of runic aspect, but it is almost extinct.
Funny thing, you piece is actually an excerpt of a coded notation of language (musical notation) , and in the context or more absence of it, no way to decipher it. Form and the hint that it carries meaning, but no way to know. Halfvay between stylised representation 㐁 and pure coding π.
Interesting link, your should put it in artist comments.

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undefinedreference In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-09-30 11:29:16 +0000 UTC]

I know very little about Brittany, except that they built a nuclear power plant in a place locally know as the Gateway to Hell or something. Very weird, but also quite daring, one has to admit. And I think the plant has closed down now. There's a neopaganist revival going on in the Nordic territories, at least partly with strong ties to the far right (the other part just wants to drink a lot of beer and make as extreme metal music as they possibly can). The nazis were very much into runes indeed, in fact the SS symbols are derived from runes. New agers love them too, which is no coincidence: if you teach your children to believe in irrational and unproven stuff like the healing power of stones and all that, you can feed them any conspiracy later. If you have ever followed the heated debates on YT about the "correct interpretation" of old music, then indeed Steiner's notation leaves ample room for a few interesting feuds

I'm going to send you a private message if you don't mind about the re-use of images. Must show you something nice and yet unpublished..

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MissUmlaut In reply to undefinedreference [2011-09-30 12:25:11 +0000 UTC]

1/ We do have several nuclear plants in Brittanny, some old. There was a huge movement against the building of one at some point, in a village.
But the region is famous for it's megaliths, remains of old settlement before indo-europeans invasions. In some tumuli there are signs and fascinating parterns engravered inside.
2/ Yes, I knwow more or less about heavy metal and use of rune-like on their album cover. My own knowledge doesnt go far beyond Metallica and Iron Maiden -old stuff you see. In France, where we have a strong neo-facist populist party, I dont see much correlation with this kind of music, but your context mat vary.
3/Dont worry about our children, really. We are both (my man and I) of scientific way of thinking by choice and profession. But enough reason show that we (human beings) are not ONLY creatures of reason, but also of faith, imagination, irrationnal sentiments, intuition, and of course, culture. Symbols and what they carry about our deep inconscious, about our culture, are very interesting for an artist. I absolutly dont believe in divination or this sort of crap, but I have started a series about classical tarot symbols, that I found were revisited a big number of time by artist in the past.
I even added one card to the normal set still uncomplete. [link]
4/ Some years ago I heard echos of the ragged debates about baroc music interpretation, and the tuning, it was impossible to miss it even trying on a musical radio...But it was before YT years, and not being specialist I just enjoy music. I am not even able to read music myself.
Okay about message.

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undefinedreference In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-09-30 15:10:10 +0000 UTC]

I'm not suggesting that there is a link between metal and the far right in general - I have stacks of metal CDs! And the far right creeps into everything, from Black Metal to Tiroler jodelers to neo-paganist emo hippies. But I did expressly mention the Nordic territory, = Scandinavia mostly, but Holland also has its far right metal scene. The biggest common denominator is a thoroughly romantic world view (nature, clan, blood, soil, race, ..), a high fear level ("They will ..", "They are going to ..") combined with an obsession for conspiracy and a superstitious refusal to deal with solid, provable facts. For that matter, most of this applies to the far left as well.

I don't know anything about tarot, but I guess its symbols must be centuries to millennia old, and some can be traced right back into the caves. The Sun symbol probably being the Mother of All Symbols. Also, artists have always dug deep into the expressions of dualism. Assyrian goddesses seem to appeal to many to this day.

I actually like baroque tuning. If you're interested in stuff like pi, then you should really dive into the systems of intonation. In short: even though it may all looks simple at a first glance, there simply is no way to make everything sound in tune. Reality prohibits it. Reality is dissonant by nature.

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MissUmlaut In reply to undefinedreference [2011-09-30 15:39:50 +0000 UTC]

We have a funny way (in France) to think Scandinavia main products are salmon and metal music groups. But the recent slauthering of children in Norway came as total shock here, where we imagine Norway as a real peacefull, civilized land. Right right populism in France is now one of the big forces, and only the president making clears appeals to this force as got him elected. Well may be non only, the inconsistency of the left making the rest :c.
And the "greens" are an ill-assorted bunch from left to right, despite being (I hope) ecologically conscient I cant stand the lot.

I didnt know anything about tarot before looking into wikipedia, tarotpedia, and I found this very interesting material. I buyed a set of cards for inspiration.

Well, ars longa vita brevis. Everything is interesting to some degree to a curious mind. My man can gives me lectures about theorical music, but I prefer just listening to the music itself .

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undefinedreference In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-09-30 17:39:48 +0000 UTC]

The real problem in Europe in the long term isn't the far right, but the stealthy process that is taking us back into a state of half-feudalism, one tiny step at a time, and no single step worth making a big fuss about. It's a process that started over here in the 1980s and will continue for decades and probably centuries. In short: Europe is getting poorer all the time, and the guys in charge don't feel like sharing the burden. Which leaves widening the gap between rich and poor as the alternative. My generation has seen paradise, from the 1970s on the only way will prove to have been downhill years from now. Napalm Death described the status of the overtly far right quite clearly in their Nazi Punks Fuck Off song: "You'll be the first to go". It is indeed the guys in suits and ties, like your president, we need to worry about. And even they wouldn't be much of a problem without that anonymous but powerful force which drives them: the voters. There's where the real stupidity and tragedy reside.

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MissUmlaut In reply to undefinedreference [2011-09-30 18:18:27 +0000 UTC]

Driven by fear.

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