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The False DichotomyOf culture versus nature.
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Thanks, and do feel free..
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Hm, I like this concept. Thought-provoking, that's for sure...
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I lean more towards the biochemical approach personally, so that would be the FD of body versus mind/soul, or matter versus spirit if you like. When I die I'm gone.
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You are right... It's body versus mind-soul.. When i die i GUESS i am gone....I know nothing about it so i guess.
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Non-existence as insecurity, interesting..
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Non-existence as insecurity???? If i don't know what non-existewnce is how i can figure out what existence is? Insecurity for existence .....Do we existe???? What i am talking about?? I came back more crazy than i left....
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You haven't the faintest idea what non-existence is. Nothing personal, it's just that nobody has. It's the one concept that is too big to fit inside the human mind. The good news is that it could therefore be anything, so the believers and atheists might in fact both be right. Because in non-existence all opposites dissolve. The same can be argued about "infinite" btw, which seems to have many properties in common with non-existence, maybe because it doesn't really "exist" itself, it's yet another an idea inside our minds which we think we understand but we don't really.
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So how we can realize what existence is? We know what cold is because we know what warm is.. even if it could be different from people to people,there is a base...Existence-non existence... None base.... I feel that existence is an illusion,an endless repetition.. From 18 century nothing has been changed in our social and political life.. Nothing at all.. The only exception is the technological evolution.. Do we exist or we just are a projection? We repeat a life with t same social and political rules... And again and again.. Is this existence? This is an illusion for me...
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I believe that there's one big soup out there with no time or other relationships of any kind. This soup is what we call Eternity. We stare it in the face all the time. However because of the way our brains are constructed we can observe only a small part of it, which happens to abide to what we call natural laws. These natural laws are a reflection of how our brains work, they don't really "exist", but because we all share a similar brain structure, we can agree on what we observe. Then non-existence is the part of Greater Reality which we are unable to perceive. It is infinitely more than what we perceive as Reality. Therefore non-existence isn't a void, it's pretty much the opposite. It's a myriad possibilities other than the ones we can understand. Btw all human perception, as far as I can tell, is based on opposites. I believe that the opposite can safely be considered the unit of human/biological perception. But this is fairly boring quasi-pseudo-philosophical stuff to which there are no answers to begin with. I find your "From 18 century nothing has been changed in our social and political life.." more interesting. What would you expect to have changed? If you leave out a vastly improved social mobility and a more skill-based rather than family-based social stratification, then yes, human society is still very much a hierarchical thing. Perhaps it would be time to try a more distributed model like the internet or the terrorist cell structure. It's been said that those in charge don't like that idea, that's why they don't stimulate families to become energy-independent, but rather have them all depend on a single power plant which they can control. But I think that's changing too. And a distributed society will always lose from a hierarchically organized one, just look what happened to Africa when the Europeans arrived. The big exception in defensibility in Africa were the Zulu, who were hierarchically organized to a Spartan level. So these alternative architectures may have their drawbacks to, which must be properly investigated before making the switch. And those are just thoughts which came to my mind when I read your message
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My opinion is that Philosophy is not boring... Is a great exercise for the mind , it can liberate you from the usual way of thinking and this is why i like it. I made a mistake..Nothing has been changed from the ancient times till now.. The structures of our society are the same,exactly the same..Marriages,families,wars,education,religion, political systems..... In ancient Athens we had Democracy but we also had slaves. Same as it happens now in many countries all over the world.We used to belive in Gods and we still believe. We used to forget our problems with shows(Ancient Rome) we still do it. We used to obay to ruls even we thought they were unfair ,we still do it... I don't know but i think that life is the same. We think we move but maybe we are still and we just watch the same film . Maybe our brain is the projector.
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Side note: recent research suggests that ancient Greek "democracy" was a religious system and had little or nothing to do with politics. At the same real democracy has always existed among those who were considered "barbarians" by the Greeks, namely the West Germans from north west Europe. They held votes over legal issues during gatherings called "The Thing" and when the tribe was under attack they elected a military leader a.k.a. duke. Their society was organized horizontally and consisted of "free men" who were farmers. They had no kings or any other societal hierarchy. All free men had equal votes, while women, children and serfs were excluded from votes. In the case a duke was elected, then after the battle was fought he would step down and become an equal amongst free men again. So Athens as the birthplace of democracy is a post-15th century lie. Democratic systems have also been found among Amazon tribes, and bands of pirates used to be strongly democratically structured as well. I personally believe that a degree of democracy is the natural human organization of society and that everything else is an anomaly. From that perspective the western European nations didn't so much conquer their democracy from their oppressors, but rather reclaimed their historic rights. With national differences of course, for example the French seem to have an almost eastern European tendency for centralization which resulted in a level of oppression which required a revolution for the reclamation to happen, while in Britain powers have traditionally been more distributed (with the kings always very, very afraid of their own nobility!), which both made the transition happen more smoothly, while at the same time the ancient system of lords and ladies is still firmly in place. The really dangerous thing is that the current generations seem to be politically sound asleep and that the reclamation of rights is in great danger of soon being undone!
And yes, our brain is the projector. I can easily argue that even time is a projection
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I hate.hate hate History...Democracy never existed ..Democracy means that the power belongs to the people..Elections is not Democracy as the elected never ask the people about the decisions they take after the elections.Democracy doesn't mean i obey to others decisions means i decide for myself .People are the same . Always asleep because if they weren't something has been changed.. And time ... what is time ????
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Giving power to the people assumes that "the people" can be trusted more than "our leaders". Can they/we? Really?
Time is the illusion that there is a sequence of events out there. Is there? Really?
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Oh yes !!!!!! I can trust people more than leaders but with one condition..If they'll stop to be asleep and believe that they are not useless.Only useless men need leaders.
.Is there? Hmm ...........Maybe everything is an illusion.. Easy answer,i know......
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Democracy is a tight rope walker balancing on a line somewhere in between tyranny and mob rule.
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Maybe you are right but we don't know how it coul be.. Besides with leaders all over the world most of the population is poor,hungry,without any access to education and health.Perhaps this is the plan.. Less people more leaders? Who knows? I think that democracy worths an effort but who wants to fight for it.. So easy to have a Leader and blame him for your misery watching the news and shows on TV.For some people the need for a new bigger TV is stronger than this of food,education and health. Such a wonderful system!!!!
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I think that if you give people a sufficient amount of freedom and prosperity they fall politically asleep and lose their sense of urgency. And the leaders get more educated all the time, see for example how the media are controlled in the US. It's a quite genius construction, rather than enforcing government control you make commercialized networks lose advertisers when what they broadcast is too controversial. That scares them a lot more because it threatens their very existence. Here in cheese country Holland politicians have learned to use the appropriately named "cheese slicer" method: if you need to enforce an unpopular measure, introduce it bit by bit ("slice by slice"). That way the voters won't wake up before it's already too late. We've been lulled into gross violations of privacy in recent years using that method. And yes, the blame game, thank heavens we have the EU here in Europe to blame for everything!
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Freedom and prosperity.. You know i guess what is happening now in Greece. The prosperity doesn't exist for the most of people but nothing happens. We are still asleep and inactive.. System says: "You don't have food ? We create for you the social groceries. You don't have medecines? We care about you so we create social pharmacies. a.t.c...... They do enything to keep people asleep and to avoid any possibility of protest.We all believe that all these are for our own good but i think that is a wonderful way to create the new genaration of beggars. We forgot about our rights. We only work to pay what the State demands from us. Where is our freedom! Where is our rights? Slice by slice and here too! Leaders for ever...
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"The indigenous societies of Melanesia were typically characterized by a 'Big Man ' political system in which individuals gained prestige through gift exchanges. The more wealth a man could distribute, the more people in his debt, and the greater his renown. Those who were unable to reciprocate were identified as 'Rubbish men'." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cu…
What exactly is the difference between them and us?
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I see no difference at all. This is why i told you that we see the same "film" over and over again..... Is there any hope? No as the projector always shows the same film with small almost non existent differences. Illusions............................................ I guess that now is the time to go back and restart the projection. So stay in your seats and enjoy your illusions..
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Actually I think I agree with you, or at least I always feel a bit wary when people talk about any "progress" we as a species are supposed to make. Humanists tend to be particularly wishful thinkers, eagerly pointing to the rise in the level of "civilization" here in Europe, which we are now supposedly spreading across the globe. If you leave out WWs I and II they might seem to have a point. What I see is that those who can afford it (the most efficient robbers) have indeed managed to raise the level of organization inside their own societies, however, as a math teacher once told us, "every ordering is nothing other then a displacement of chaos". Someone always has to pay the price..
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Sometimes you have to pay even if you have order nothing.This is what i call collateral damage for the poor people.They pay the orders of reach people ....Someone has to pay.
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