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Evolution is a theory. Creationism is an alternative.
A theory has to be observed, tested and falsified. Both evolution and creationism does not fit this.
Evolution cannot be observed since it takes millions of years. The facts of adaptions and variation are used to support the theory of evolution and shouldn't be taken the other way around.
Also, did you know the idea of Pangaea and a round Earth was taken from the book of Genesis and Job in the Holy Bible? The idea of a flat Earth is falsely attributed to Christians but was actually made up by atheists.
And the MRI was created by a Creationist, Raymond Damadian.
Also, wasn't America founded on Christian foundations? That's why people say "God bless America"...
I'm just glad some people, despite being brainwashed, can still choose creationism and when we do, the amount of propaganda will drive you insane. Yes, propaganda. Just look at the hate in the comments calling Christians idiots.
So, yeah, evolution is evil. Hitler used Eugenics created by Darwin's relative, with the whole "perfect race" murdering millions and experimented on at least hundred of live humans in the name of science! A lot of what we know about humans are by Hitler.
There was actually a school shooting where the students used survival of the fittest as an excuse to wipe out the weak.
And I'm sure everyone knows what "ethnic cleansing" is.
The whole evolution vs. creationism isn't just about truth. It shapes our perspective and our very selves.
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I'm amazed comedians like you don't have mass success unless they become televangelists. If evolution is as much a theory as creationism, and gravity is also a theory, why can't we choose to disbelieve in it and float?
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Will you look at all these creationists embarrassing themselves... There's so much ignorance it's stunning.
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no its not
if evolution is true how come no transitional forms have been found?
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Transitional forms have been found. Pakicetus, Rodhectus, Takracetus, and Kutchicetus are transitional forms of whales. Not to mention tiktaalik and it's forms.
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They have been found
Most people think transtional forms are fish giving birth to mammals, thats not the case. You want proof of transtional forms.
[link]
You want further proof?
Look at the plytapus.
[link]
What proof do theists have?
God(s, spirits, demons) dun did it.
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You believe what u want.
I know what i believe is true.
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Why do you beleive that?
What evidence is there that your belief is right?
Why isn't Zeus the one true god, may his fury rain down on his enemies?
Or maybe Amun-Ra? May his sunlight bathe the true believers?
Or Fsm? May his noodles boil for your sins?
Jupiter? Same as Zeus really....
Why do you beleive in a creator that banishes a huge part of his people to hell for the only reasons of A. Never having heard of him. B. Believing in other Gods for the same reason you probably do. C. Using logic, and reasoning to figure out that it makes no sense a all powerful being could ever be understood by humans. D. Goggle abit and figure out the Bible has been disproven to nearly a book as false, impossible, or copy and pasted from other religions.
There are over 1 dozen religious characters with the exact stories of Jesus, that predate him by decades or centuries.
Horus, the Eygptian god, has the exact same story of Jesus.
1.Born to a virgin 2.Only begotten son of the God Osiris/God. 3.Meri=Mary 4. Seb= Jo-Seph 5. Of royal descent. 6.In a cave/stable..
It goes on, for quite awhile. If you care, read this[link]
If now, well, its your choice.
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What proof is there that says He isnt?
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The old testement never happened. One half of your proof gone.
Jesus was one of hundreds of "Messiahs" of his time. He never once claimed to be the son of God, everything he preached was preached by dozens of others. No real proof outside of the bible of any of the miracles he preformed exist. Which makes no sense, we can tell a person what someone who died two million years ago ate from their poo. But no one ever recorded Jesus' miracles. The gospels are preaching about Jesus have greatly differing stories on Jesus. Jesus told people listening to him the world would end in their life time. We're all still around.
I could go on, but it probably still won't change your faith. Since faith is belief without evidence.
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Exactely. Faith is belief without evidence. meaning that u have faith in evolution. theres no real evidence to prove its real.
Now, today is my birthday. I am not in the mood to have this conversation. So please, lets just agree to disagree.
Have a blessed day
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1. Evolution has been proven. It's not a case of faith. Watch this video: [link]
2. "What proof is there that he isn't real?" No. Just no. The burden on proof is on YOU to prove not only a god, but it's your god.
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Well hey the first is that evolution is still a theory. It has in no way be proven. Second I'd rather have my chips on the table than not at all (e.g. pascal's wager)
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www.notjustatheory.com/ I'll just direct you to this wonderful site.
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You have faith that that "evidence" is proof of evolution.
There is something called circular reasoning that evolutionists love to use and that proves that evolution is completely ridiculous
I'm not going to argue this. Its obvious that you won't listen. I just hope that if you won't listen to me, you'll listen to someone before its too late.
Have a blessed day.
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Definition of faith from Merriam Webster's Dictionary: 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
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a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 (Your use of Faith)
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
Please, watch this video. It'll tell you about how faith works: [link]
Look up circular reasoning
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That's a type of Logical fallacy. That's not a good thing.
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Sadly, many fail to realize that evolution is a scientific theory and a fact in the same manner that gravity is a scientific theory and a fact. Great work.
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People often mistake mere theories for facts due to over-publicizing, and added with the fact that they were brought up with these claims being drilled into their heads all their lives. But mostly it was because the news of the theory/theories was received first by the ears of scientifically-illiterate idiots who have little to no idea the difference between a "theory" and a "fact". Said idiots then proceeded to pass on their newfound knowledge of these "facts" to their succeeding generations, leading to a thriving community of misled/misinformed people.
Don't you just love the mass media?
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i cant believe people are stupid and gullible enough to fall for this evolution shit. that satan bastard is just trying to get threw your heads and your all dum enough to not realize the truth. EVOLUTION NEVER HAPPENED NOR IS IT HAPPENING.
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and i cant believe that u are enough stupid to believe as retarted things as god, satan and stuff
atleast evolution theory has more truth than creation theory
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oh kay. heres evolution:
a big random explosion with ebsolutly no cause creates a universe bigger then the mind can imagin and creates life. that makes alot of sense. no it doesnt.
and how the fuck would we know if that happened? how would we know if there was a big bang? how would we know we started from fish!? and if theres evolution why isnt it still happening? why dont we see fish grow legs? and if animals can apparently "addapt" to things they want to do why cant we humans addapt? we can but heres an example: humans have wanted to fly for decades, so we build planes. but why dont we just grow wings? huh? we cant because theres no evolution. your just being stupid and disbelieving god because you dont want to admit that your not as perfect as god. god as by far better then you and all us humans because, why? because we sin. and theres no way we cant. we are not perfect. witch is why you sin and are ignorent. and you dont want to admit that your not perfect and that your not the best. thats why evolution was made up. because people want to think about anything but god.
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I'll break this down bit by bit.
"a big random explosion with ebsolutly no cause creates a universe bigger then the mind can imagin and creates life. that makes alot of sense. no it doesnt."
First, learn to spell. Second, as mentioned in an earlier post, you can't mix cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution. Evolution starts with "Life exists. Here's why there's so many different kinds of it-" and branches into everything from cell development to genetics to fossils to actual observed speciation.
"and how the fuck would we know if that happened? how would we know if there was a big bang?"
Again, nothing to do with evolution.
"how would we know we started from fish!? and if theres evolution why isnt it still happening? why dont we see fish grow legs?"
A good place to start is the embryonic development of all animals. The structures that become gills in fish become parts of the face, inner ears, and larynx in humans. And quite a few other things. There's mountains of books and papers on the subject. Evolution is still happening. New fruit fly species, SIV mutating into HIV, MRSA, elephants having significantly shorter (or even absent) tusks compared to those found when the Ivory Trade was a thing- due to long-tusked elephants being killed, leaving the short-or-non-tusked elephants. Modern fish have no reason to grow structures that could eventually become legs.
"and if animals can apparently "addapt" to things they want to do why cant we humans addapt? we can but heres an example: humans have wanted to fly for decades, so we build planes. but why dont we just grow wings? huh?" "
Humans adapt. We do so on the Darwinian, not Lamarckian model- where traits are random chance, not a conscious decision. Giraffes have long necks because the ancestors of theirs that had long necks could reach more food and were less likely to die in a famine, thus surviving long enough to have long-necked children. Continue this for generations on end, and we get giraffes (and their smaller cousins, the okapi). We didn't grow wings because none of our ancestors found leaping far (a precursor to gliding, and from gliding flight)a good trait for their purposes. Instead, we grew gigantic brains that allow us to bypass natural selection.
"we cant because theres no evolution."
Remember that big-brains thing? If we let nature take its course, rather than use them, then off the top of my head I can name about ten people that wouldn't have grown to reproductive age, or would have died in labor, and therefore would never have the chance to spread their (from a strictly biological standpoint) defective geno- and phenotypes. In fact, a combination of disabled people typically not living long and being outright persecuted- or even in some places and times, killed- kept their numbers low for millenia. Only recently do we not ostracize and torment those who would be a burden in a crisis, and the soaring medical costs prove it. I'd say this is proof of evolution: We have such a powerful adaptation (our brains) that it can cancel out our weaknesses.
"your just being stupid and disbelieving god because you dont want to admit that your not as perfect as god. god as by far better then you and all us humans because, why? because we sin."
If god is real, then he should be more forgiving of his imperfect creation. If he is real, why did he take a perfectly good design for the birth canal- as found in every other vertebrate species- and give it a good, hard twist? Do you have any idea how much more difficult and dangerous it is for humans to have children compared to every other mammal species? The reason is we stand upright, unlike all other primates. By the way, as humans, almost every single thing you do is learned behavior. Fear of the unknown and smiling are pretty much the only instincts humans have.
"and theres no way we cant. we are not perfect."
At least we agree on this one point.
"witch is why you sin and are ignorent. and you dont want to admit that your not perfect and that your not the best."
Since when is studying the world, which according to you was given to us by God to use until he ends it, ignorance (note the 'a')? A person who calls themselves perfect is deluded, possibly a dangerous sociopath, and worthy of ridicule. Knowing your strengths and weaknesses ("that your [sic] not the best") is the result of learning.
"thats why evolution was made up. because people want to think about anything but god."
Bizarrely, evolution was floating around scientific circles for some time before Darwin- he just came up with the most likely way it would happen, and literally every bit of research since has proved him right on every count, down to the reason why male peacocks have their distinctive feathers despite the obvious risks. Believe me, if someone was able to prove that all of biology (again, every last detail) didn't point to evolution, that person would be the worthy of about twenty Nobel prizes (in fields as far apart as Genetics, Paleontology, Embryology, and Agriculture).
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wow, you are combining cosmology and abiogenisis. "a big random explosion with ebsolutly no cause creates a universe bigger then the mind can imagin and creates life. that makes alot of sense. no it doesn't. " NONE of that even comes close to evolution. Evolution ONLY describes the diversity of life. Cosmology = big bang. Abiogenisis = beginning of life. Try to learn something about evolution before you dismiss it.
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u know what that big bang thingy is the part i question, i believe the evolution theory only that part how humans and animals formed.
Its impossible anyone to say how universe was created cuz we dont even know whats in there and its way too big thing to human mind. But this i can say that creation theory is complete bullshit that has been created some retarted zealots who didnt know anything about anything, what is enough good reason not to believe god and stuff. ITS AGAINST EVERY LAWS OF NATURE
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well, you are entitled to your own opinion and i dont want to gt into a fight but i believe the big bang and evolution is a load of crap.
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So if God just magically "poofed" all lifeforms into existance, why did he kill those innocent dinosaurs? 
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well lets just say neither one of them is 100% true
peace
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^ Winner of all such discussions. Period.
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You ever notice that creationism stamps always have the comments blocked? It really shows the validity.
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It is indeed, but I also believe Creationism is fact as well. I am a Judeo-Christian Creationst and a believer in evolution. Any questions on how that works?
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Let me guess, you're smarter than the "loud and ignorant" type of Creationists?
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stolen, the original is done by Jonathan Williams [link]
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And what compels you to believe creationism is tantamount to the high status of being called a fact, let alone a scientific theory?
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Regardless of religion, the complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. The earth, water, the human brain, the human eye; it's all too carefully designed to be the result of randon scientific developments.
Would you like to here more? Because I've got more evidence of god's existence.
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Would I like to here [sic] more? Yes, and so would the members of critical thinkers and intellectuals found here: [link]
Once you have registered, I expect you to verify who you are back here as a response, so we can discuss this in a more formal environment. I`ve had my fair share of discussions on DeviantArt and they were disorganized and sloppy overall. Please consider registering, if and only if you are actually confident in your claim that you have "evidence" for god`s existence. We will be waiting for your rigorous detail, independent corroboration from observational reality, and compelling arguments, if any. Thanks.
However, if you don`t decide to register, then I won`t find any value in your confidence, as if it was significant to begin with because I am more focused on evidential support, and will also conclude this so called compelling datum that you gather as evidence as nothing more than incredulity based off of positive belief.
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I must say I am intrigued, but I would like to keep this on DeviantArt, I'm trying to keep the things I'm registered for limited. I assure you I won't create drivel or fill the discussion with emoticons.
Is that alright with you?
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I`m afraid not. It is an utmost importance, my policy, being that I do not discuss things in rigor anywhere, but in that said forum. One of the many issues I had to confront were spectators deciding to participate and they were more or less vexing and such a familiarly trolling fashion. My being here as well as other places other than that forum was to instigate people to join, discuss, debate, etc. and promote said forum (DevianArt for controversial and or satirical pictures). So, if you honestly do NOT want to join, then I am to ignore any requests that have to do with debating here (as well as any other place that do not pertain to said forum).
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I'm sorry to say, but I'm going to half to decline that, you and me will have to find other people to discuss our thoughts with. Although I applaud you for your professionalism.
Good day.
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Just one more thing, have you come across TalkOrigins? [link]
They are more or less useful as responses, but not as rigorous as scientific papers, however do give references to said scientific papers. I prefer you bookmark it.
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TalkOrigins. No, I haven't heard of that, it sounds interesting though, I'll take a look.
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nice, but whats that mammoth doing to that poor horse??
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stolen, the original is done by Jonathan Williams [link]
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