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VanGold — One Straight Thought - Chapter 17-B (Part 3)
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* ‘ello, ‘ello, ‘ello, long time no see. just kidding, i see all of you all the time. i hope that sounded as creepy as i intended.* so, there are few things, by which i mean one thing, that i want to set straight:
* i am not the bad guy.
* while i might come off as the villain who is twirling his moustache while tying damsels to train tracks, i do no such thing.
* i am a psychopath, and i will never deny that, but i never wanted to hurt anyone.
* i was patient, tried to get what i desire on the official way, but i was always turned away.
* i explored every single avenue i could within the confines of nexus law, but every single approach was either not working or forbidden.
* i am not powerful, at least not the way the elders and gods are.
* all i am, is a regular sans with a special mind.
* out there are so many, born with powers that overshadow us basics by leagues, while we can be lucky if we’re a bit faster or smarter, and even those are rare.
* and i find it all unfair.
* because they forgot or never knew how it is to be powerless.
* so i will make it fair.
* i will make the elders and gods tremble before me, as the basics tremble before them.
* and then i will force them to share their might.
* because among the universes, there is no “them” no “the others”.
* we are all living, thinking, loving and fearing beings.
* and every single person who thinks that there is a divide, heed this warning.
* you are outnumbered.
* many out there feast on this disparity, keeping the large part under their thumb to gain power.
* and many of those call themself “protectors” of the multiverse, even if they do not do it intentionally.
* all they do is abusing their power to attack, keeping universes blind to the true nature of reality.
* in order to “protect them from the truth”.
* which is the same as every fascist government, deciding what the people should be “protected” from.
* keep in mind, we all are sanses, no matter whether your universe has a “fell” a “tale” or a “swap” in its name, whether you've been born a skeleton, created in a tube or were a human before you rose again, whether you used to be a chara, a frisk or even a clover.
* and that goes for those “protectors” as well.
* so, let me ask you this, what gives them the right to decide what is best for our universes?
* only their power.
* and that is neither just nor fair.
* if you heed my call, come with me, even if they stop me, my mind shall burn on.
* i do not need what i am after to make the world better.
* even if i fail, nobody will take this away from me.
* if you read this, then you have to make a choice.
* you can either decide to let the “protectors” continue their rule over us.
* or you can decide to join us in creating a new republic of undergrounds.
* we will unite the multiverse and stop the senseless deaths, we will share the knowledge we have and help those who are oppressed, but only if we are called.
* because in the end, being nice is always the better option.
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To the "hosts" -
I was trying to behave guys, I really was. After my absence caused by my new job, I was trying not to bombard poor VanGold and SteampunkCyborg with a giant wall-o-text as the first thing I posted when I came back. But nope, squirrel just *had* to open this kind of debate.... (On some level, you had to expect that someone like me couldn't stay out of this, or just let it lie). So yeah, I apologize in advance to our most gracious hosts, cause here I go...
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Addressing Squirrel directly -
Hey Squirrel, its been a bit since I've spoken to you (since some of the earlier asks). Seems we were both "away", but you've certainly been busy. Looking for sources, borrowing bodies, starting revolutions. About that last one though... You know from the asks how much thought I tend to put into my views, and my stance on things like "good", "evil", and what it means to "protect" are rather ... unorthodox. As such, I sort of feel an obligation to not only weigh in on this, but to offer a few thoughts/perspectives you might not have considered (or more likely, a few things some of the ones still undecided might benefit from thinking about).
First point - Careful, you're sounding a little hypocritical there, hun.
I feel the need to start by saying, I do not think you are "bad" or anything. I actually liked you and your "special mind". But if you are trying to recruit people to your revolution, you might want to be careful you don't sound to much like the very thing you're protesting against. You speak a lot about how "unfair" it is that others have so much more power, while trying to amass great power yourself. And while you can claim you intend to share or distribute that power, many others before you have made the same claim. In the short term, you would still be a single individual with immense power if you succeed, and you know what they say about absolute power. Do not forget how many of the ones you will likely be fighting also intended to use their power to help others. Not everything works out so ideally, and often the "best intentions" lead to the greatest horrors. You say you never wanted to hurt anyone... well that's nice I suppose, but we both know that's what is going to happen now, so what is the point in saying it? To excuse yourself or your actions? ... Hmm, no, that doesn't really sound like you. I imagine you simply want to make others understand that you didn't plan on all this from the start, that you tried a "peaceful" approach first. Still... in the end, we find ourselves here, on the advent of a revolution. And if it carries out this way, people are going to get hurt. A lot of people. And I'm not entirely sure everyone you're trying to "save" or "help" will be as ok with paying the price for all this as you are. I'm afraid you're gonna have to explain to me how this is really so different from what the elders and Gods are doing. Because is sounds suspiciously like you are deciding what is "better" or "fair" for the multiverses yourself. And isn't this exactly what you hate, someone with more power deciding what is fair or best for everyone else? You say you will make it fair, that you will force the elders and Gods to share their might. Aren't these the same ideas and methods that you decry? I personally don't believe fairness can truly be born from force, but that's just my opinion. But I will finish this point with this... You said of the protectors and those like them "what gives them the right to decide what is best for our universes?". *shrug* Ok, fair question (though for someone who says there are no "others", you put a lot of emphasis on "them" and "our"), let's flip it around then. Tell me, my dear Squirrel, what gives you the right to decide what is best for everyone then?
Second point - problems with an "even" playing field when dealing with sapient beings, or "why this plan sounds good on paper but won't work in practice".
So here's a fun tidbit about psychology most of you may not know. If you took all of the money, or all of the power, or all of anything like that, in the world, and distributed it equally among all the people.... in a few short months almost all of it would be back in or out of the same hands. Oh, there's exceptions, of course, but for the most part this comes back to the nature of sapient beings. Granted most of the studies were done with humans, but monsters and other intelligent/reasoning beings have proven to follow the same model. But what it means is this: In the case of Squirrel's plan, he's trying to propose evenly distributing power among all people equally, so no one is "better" then anyone else. The problem is, for this to work, you would literally have to strip everyone of their free will in the process. It is the nature of free thinking entities to strive for more. It might be a moral difference whether someone harms or steps on others in the process, but the drive itself to be stronger, to have more, to be "better", is hardwired into every living thing. For some this may mean being better then their previous self (so simple self-improvement), for some its the competitive drive to be better then those around them at a certain thing (this can be anything from friendly competition to the more harmful kind that stems from a need for validation), while for others is can mean being better then the circumstances they and their loved ones are in, so they can survive hardship and help others do the same. But no matter what it means to each person, that drive is a part of being alive. Even if you did manage to just "hand out" power, so everyone had a equal share.... you can't force them to keep it, you can't force them not to try to acquire more, and you definitely can't force them to "get along" and not fight over it. Don't misunderstand, I think uniting people and sharing knowledge and working together are great goals and ideals. But only if you understand that its a choice the individuals have to make for themselves, you cannot force those ideals on others, or on entire worlds (and no one has the kind of authority over a world to make that choice for everyone, again unless they lack free will). In the end, distributing power would only cause more damage, because those who don't want it or lack the personal strength to handle it will lose it to those who will seek to gain and increase their power. Most likely in a rather violent way. And this would start almost the instant you tried to distribute it. I know this is not a pleasant thing, but this is the nature of free will. There will always be those who want nothing to do with power, and will hand it over to others, just as there are those who will want nothing to do with peace and will actively fight against it and take more power for themselves. ...
Hell, you'd be better off focusing on the republic and uniting people without screwing around with powers and elders and Gods. For one thing, I doubt you'd have so much interference, but more importantly it would be more likely to succeed. And you would simply be striving for unity, made by choice, rather then forcing change and making people choose sides.
Final point - or basically just where I stand.
You're a pretty smart guy Squirrel, even if you think differently from other people, so you likely already figured out my stance... but in case not, and for everyone else, I'll spell it out. My problem is with your methods, more then your ideals here. That you ask people to take up arms to stop people deciding what is best for them, while in the same breath deciding that going to war with elders and Gods and taking their power to distribute to others is the best thing for everyone. I love the base idea of your united republic, just not how you seem to want to get there. You are, in essence, trying to say you need to wage a war to have the peace you speak of. Um... no. Every tyrant, government, or even revolutionary leader, who thought they needed to start a war to achieve peace lost the plot somewhere. That's like telling someone with an infection you have to break all the bones in their body so you can heal them. You don't solve a problem by making a worse one. War is never the solution, and just because you can't see a better one, doesn't mean it isn't there. You want to take power away from those who have it (also making an "us" vs "them" situation), because you feel they are not using it right, but you have done little to convince me you would use power any more wisely. Sorry hun, but as much respect as I had for some of your views.... this last argument with O makes you look like an angry child, someone who feels slighted and entitled. You want to lead a revolution, to tell others to take up arms and fight, while you have very little regard for the people you harm and the damage you cause to reach your goal. Sounds a lot like the very ones you hate, only worse, because you're asking people to fight and die for your cause, and I have yet to see proof you care about that price. Its hard to make someone choose your side, when the opponent you want to say is unaware of the powerless just said you're the one causing to much damage. You used a personal injustice against you, as a justification for hurting and manipulating multiple other people. Not exactly someone I would want to take up arms to fight behind. I have seen nothing to convince me would not build your republic on the corpses of those who stand with you, and claim any amount of sacrifice on their part is worth this "noble" goal of yours. But a lot of those you ask to fight for you are also powerless, they have nothing but their lives to give, and you ask them to give everything. I should think preserving the lives of the powerless would be more in line with the ideals you claim, but you can't have it both ways I'm afraid. You can't protect them while asking them to die for you, that's not how it works.
Oh, and no, I'm not a "protector" or "guardian" or whatever other fancy titles people want to throw around. Things like "protector" and "paladin" and such are just labels for people to use to feel like they are superior, much like "good" and "evil". I also don't really buy into the traditional "good" and "evil" nonsense. People who stick to such extremes can shove those phrases up their arse. I know Scouty called me a "do-gooder" in an early ask, and when he's around he can call me that if he wants (I am not mean enough to tell him he can't, and if I upset him I think his brother would try to kill me, and I like them so I'd rather avoid that), but labels like that mean very little in reality. Plenty of "evil" things have been done for "good" reasons, and vise versa. In the end, intention (by itself) matters a little, and action matters a lot, though the two together matter most. But sadly, even if you have the best intention to do "good", if you have to use nothing but "evil" to get there, its pretty hard to make the argument that its justified. But as I said, I put little stock in those terms, that was mostly worded for those who do. What I do put stock in is life, and freedom. Doing anything to cost lives, or asking people to give theirs, should never be anything but the kind of last resort whose alternative is a guaranteed loss of that same life anyway. Otherwise there is always a better way (a single individual giving their own life by choice is different, but only if done so freely without duress). And freedom, real freedom, means people are free to fail. Free to be weak or strong, free to strive for more power or to ignore it. And... free to live in an unfair world and strive to make it better through their own actions. I do not want to see that freedom taken from anyone. I was born someone powerless, I have lived most of my life that way, and I would never trade that time. Most people I have talked to in my life are the same. Those who have been powerless, or weak, or broken understand better then anyone that there is a certain value in those things, because those are also the things that make you strong. Most people with power or strength didn't start out that way, they had to pull themselves out of the muck and climb to get there. Not everyone, but most. And most of them don't regret it, because its what makes them who they are. I don't regret my hardships, because its what shaped me. They say the strongest blade is tempered in the hottest fire, so it is with people to. Its what builds character. I would never want to see people without the chance to grow because all hardship was taken away. I'm not saying I want to see a bunch of suffering, not the deliberate kind. I want to see people work together to help each other through any suffering or hardship. But I do still want life to be life, and that does mean facing hardship, and it means people are not equal in everything because some are going to form a stronger character then others when faced with adversity. <-- and this is why that second point exists, because everyone handles things differently and you can't make them be "equal" without taking away their freedom to be themselves - flawed as they may be.
P.S. If you were wondering about or simply feel more comfortable with titles/labels, I guess I'm more of a multiverse "mechanic", if we're going by powers/what I "do". Though I don't talk about those things here for a reason. (aside from spoilers before my comic gets underway) I don't really talk about it because I don't feel the need to "toot my own horn". I do what I do because its necessary, its that simple. I suppose, more "unofficially", I am some sort of "mom" or "shrink" to most people I meet. *shrug* Heck if I know, I just like to help and encourage people when I can. But I can only give my opinions, that's all any of this is, I don't pretend to know everything. I just am someone who wants to see people push themselves to be better, who will believe in them and encourage them, and show some "tough love" when its needed. But I will never choose for them, I will instead help them to walk the path they choose, so they know its ok if they stumble a bit, that they won't be given up on.
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P.P.S. - In case I'm still not clear, I'm not taking a "side", but I'm sure as hell not neutral either. I don't intend to kill anyone, but I have no problem finding other ways to stop you from getting countless other people killed, or taking away their freedom. There's a lot that can be done to stop someone without dusting them, and you're not the only one with an unusual mind. (By that I mean I would rather it not come to a true conflict, so I would rather find a way to stop it from ever happening in the first place. There's always a way, just not always an obvious one ~_^.)
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holy crab, thats a lot of words....
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Hahaha, if you think this is a lot of words, you should see the 3 or 4 messages Squirrel and I exchanged shortly after this, on one of the other submissions. 
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This is when I say that he has a point. They are all Sanses and well, this particular one just has a special mind. In truth, I find that he has more of a point than those "gods", but that's just me. I'm just a voice among tens, hundreds, or even thousands, but I never once saw him as evil or the villain but he does have a point. Time is running out, and none of us can live forever.
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Well this has started a lot of debates in the comments section, I'm also getting very evil morty vibes from this even before I clicked the link, also avengers civil war
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Squirrel has some good points, but, as a protector of the universes myself, I..I know that I mean well, all I want is to give love, I don't care if I don't get it. I understand Squirrel. I actually empathise with him, but we do not need to choose sides, please people peace! I'm not a Sans, not even a skeleton, I've devoted my life to protecting all from any harm, I do not lie, I do not cheat, I do not trick others, I want and do serve for the greater good and always will. I am a guardian.
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Great page!!! I loved it, very interesting!
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* the time for peace is still there if the other "protectors" agree to join the republic of undergrounds and abide the laws we will write down. but, there can be no peace as long as those "protectors" care more about themself than the people they claim to "protect". the greater good is the good of all not the good of the powerful.
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I know, although I cannot speak for the others, I can speak for myself as a guardian when I say, I come last, I want everybody else to be alright and then I can take care of myself, and I'm sure there are many others with the way I go aswell, darling. You need to see the many possibilities and see that they are not bad people. Not all universes know of the multiverse, and sometimes they wish to stay that way in which I completely respect, it seems hard to make laws when not everybody gets to know them, especially because how infinite the multiverse really is darling
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* those laws only affect those who join the republic of undergrounds. we are not an autocratic regime trying to take over the world. we are only after uniting the multiverse. if a universe declines to join, then our laws will not hold any power over it. but every single universe that joins will have the benefit of our laws, trading between dimensions and shared resources.
* i also know that they're not "bad" per default. but i do assume that they're ignorant to the grander picture and just act on instinct. that is a problem that maybe a few of them never considered. for example, the benefits of a network where universes in peril could easily reguest aide and not be at the mercy of cross-universe threats.
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Uniting the multiverse...it's, quite a large idea isn't it? It would be very interesting to see one day, and I would love to see it one day.. but I fear that worse things could come after it, many horrible events could occur because if this, but I will be prepared and do my best to help if this does happen.
And I think you are partially incorrect with that 'ignorant to the grander picture' because yes, there are very few that think that way, but the majority of us do not. The so you call 'protectors' aren't greedy over there power no no! I honestly ask you what do you take us for? A lying kind of government?
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* i know it's large. nothing wrong with small ideas, but large ideas are just as important.
* heavens no. i take you for an unorganised bunch of do-gooders. if you became an organised bunch, then i'd take you for an autocratic regime. not lying. lying is something different to being oppressive. and you might even still do that, if just by accident. but in my opinion you could do more. not just help the odd world, but foster them so they'd help each other, spreading the help! that is what we need. not a few powerful, but many strong people. or do you disagree? if you're not opposed to sharing your power instead of hoarding it, as you claim, that would be the best way to help as many worlds as you possibly could. it is the difference between only having meta-humans and having a police. both together would be best, but only if there are laws both adhere to.
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Univereses have laws of their own, it is not up to us to choose those, we don't control the multiverse, we don't do that at all, we watch over them which is why I question why you are saying this about us as if we were the control freaks of the whole system. But yes, I do agree with you about doing more, and for your information I actually already do what you want others to do, Help others and tech them to help eachother, that's part of my passion, to teach others to do as good as a job that I want to accomplish.
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* i had my experience with "protectors" or rather jumpers. as you said, there are so many universes out there. why do you assume all of those "protectors" are actually good? you are just lucky you mostly meet the good ones. i have seen thousands of those kind of "protectors" i talk about. if they all were like you, do you think i'd be so angry about them? those like you are rare, maybe one of a hundred, at most! there are too many who misuse that power. i use the word "protector" in quotationmarks for a reason. one of the most well know examples is the one commonly called "error". he thinks he is protecting the multiverse by killing off anything he deems bad. and there are many others who do that. too many who "cleanse" universes or force them down specific paths they think are right. those are my enemies. not your kind.
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..Those are my enemies as well as yours darling... Those monsters, are not protectors, and they never will be. They think they are doing good but all they are doing is murder, they will never be protectors. I'm battling against them constantly, saving universes from their grotty, filthy hands that intend to bring universes harm. They are quite the problem, but as well as keeping them from harming universes, I have been trying to reason with them, especially one error in particular, Corrupt.
There are many of those kinds of monsters, but I would not call them 'protectors'
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* i call them "protectors" since they call themself by that title. i do not judge them for it. few are self aware enough to actually choose their title instead of adopt one. i chose to be called villain, because it stems from a derogatory term for serfs used by aristocrats. they see themself as uch and thus is my view of the word "protector". if you agree with me, why not lay down that title? call yourself archetype or paragon. in fact, i plan to call the order of jumpers that are in service of the republic of undergrounds, paladins. would you like to join them? the "jumping paladins"?
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I suppose your thoughts are correct, but in my opinion they are not protectors.
It would be an honour to join that order, I want to help in anyway I can as I have done in the past
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(Hey Squirrel this comments for you!)
XD the first box is the perfect description of human governments and multinational corporations.
But in all seriousness, I Don't know, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. We're so used to being brought up in culture with these one-sided stories whether, from our video game or movies, we only see one side of the arguments. An easy example for everyone would be the human and monster war, it seems that were constantly being told it was US human who was responsible for the war, Us humans locked the monsters underground but never once we get the story from the human perspective, all the information we're given is bias toward humans, which means when something like this happens and were given what we are told is the truth from the over side of the coin we become confused and lost we don't know what or who to believe.
After reading squirrels side of the coin it becomes hard to know what to think anymore, so many things have pointed to him being the 'villain' (Squirrel if you're reading this I swore I've seen you call you're self the villain on some over comic or ask too, so er....just shooting you're self in the foot). Maybe I don't understand cause it's 'too young' or still doesn't understand modern politics cause I'm not an adult but what cost comes with you're offer to show us the truth? the reason things like fascist governments work cause everything stable, we're told lies and made false promises to make us have more confidence in our government, (I mean look at the NZ election, Labor offer to give all university students free education, except this, only happens after the next election. They got in cause the lied to all the first time, voters) but exposing these truths scares people, it often sparks mass havoc, rebellions and revolutions in the working people and this scares those in power, it makes them vonreble. (geez this is gonna be along comment... I will get the popcorn!)
You know how you said what makes these 'protectors' different well that reminded me of a comic, I believe it is Abysstale which talks about Ink (no offence or anything but....er people with power mean well or it goes there heads)*checks* c5 part 7 its...er..not there i read it somewhere but correct me if I'm wrong....
you are going to have so many people on your back after this
...thanks for the vote of confidence Star!
Anyway, I believe it said something along the lines of Ink doesn't care for the people in the Au or how they might get hurt (which can be seen in Underverses) he only cares about the AU. He means well but I guess you could say he's got his efforts in the wrong place cause he's scared he'll be forgotten so believe that being the guardian of AU. is his only chance to exist or even have a purpose.
...I've completely forgotten where I was going with this...
It's hard to know who to trust, for one both of you(Squirrel and elder god...?) could be lying to us but we'll only know if we find out the truth for our selfs. So I'm confused so that whole 'you have to make a choice thing' yeah...I'm going to need an extension but something tells me the tag #riseoftheedgys means these guys won't.
Oh! by the way Mossy's upstairs you should go say hi and don't forget to bring a get well soon card with you, normal I'd make you one but...science exam's on Wednesday so er...
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* of course i'd rather call myself a villain, though i can't remember if i actually did. i am not a "hero" and would be offended being called one. etymologically it stems from "villein", meaning serf, and was used by aristocracy in a derogatory fashion. it is the name those in power gave to those without, to demean them and to make them worthless. instead of claiming a "heroic" origin, i claim the name of those that used to be oppressed, not those who make themselves out to be perfect.
* facist governments rely primarily on oppression, censure and other propaganda to work. the lying at election thing is not even their primary focus. facists are actually anti-democratic, their first order of business is always dismantling the democracy, taking the chance of having any say away from the people. and as for the cost: if you live in a cage but don't know it, aren't you still caged? if someone steals your wallet and you think it was just lost, aren't you still robbed? the truth has only a cost for those who don't accept reality.
* and as for who is lying, it could be both, it could be neither. and who to trust is a big step. i can answer you any questions you have, don't be shy. i don't think i'll get mossy a get well card, he'll be fixed up when i'm done here any way.
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You know....I just realised how I really should have been paying attention in business class...
By the way, i was reading some of the replies you made after your speech and have you ever consider being a politic, I think you'd make a great politic!
So you want to create a world without suffering...I don't think it can be done.
Well at least for us humans and I doubt monsters are too different.
There's no such thing as perfect as none can be perfect and there no such thing as the perfect system: government or justice.
The thoughts nice but does it have to end with a rebellion can't you form a coalition or something with the gods or maybe share with them what you want to happen without starting a civil war/rebellion?
Suffering...hehe...I know more about this than you can dream but it's not something I'd like to share too much about in a public comment section. Suffering it...it makes us who we are, and shapes the world around us...thinking of it being like we're all sculpture, we started off as a block of rock and every person we meet or initiative with making us into who we are now, and who we will be in the future. Some people will carve more off than others, some will crack us and some of the more fortunate of us will collapse into a pile of rubble.But suffering makes us into better people, it's caused revolutions in the past with things like rights for people with black skin or rights for women to get an education but...it's a fine line to walk down, cause look what happened if Africa, we tried to help them so they would suffer less by removing (this could be slightly incorrect, my only concern at the time this was happening was drawing on the wallpapers) one of the...dictator? It was the person in charge who was ruling with an Iron fist and people were suffering because we interfered by removing him and giving the people power it's absolute chaos their: famine, diseases, war.
And some people can not be helped, it's like with schooling if the child doesn't want to learn they won't, help them as much as you want but in the end, you're wasting your effects.
Ever heard of the Isle Of Man? if no, don't go there unless you take a nuke with you or want to find out what suffering really feels like.
Greed, jelercy, selfishness...this islands got it all and the kids are as bad as the adults. If you're not local or have more than the average Manx man/woman well then...you have my sympathy. My parents had a garden centre there, neither of them are Manx: dads from the mainland, mums from Europe and the brought some fields which came with an old run down Edwardian house (probably small mansion) cause it came with the land and the guy sold it cheap cause he gambled and ended up in problem. They fixed the whole place up and in 25 years they made a successful business but...the locals didn't like this, especially our neighbours, some told our customers to go elsewhere, one even went as far to poison our dog and their kids bullied me from the age of 6 to the day i left, hehe..one boy told me he hoped my plane would get shot down over the medditerain. I now live with the scars of this physically and mentally it's just not obvious on here cause i can be me and don't have to worry about anyone judging or making my life miserable for what i say and do cause I don't know you, you don't know me...so i can be me here and the nervous wreak at school.
You know whats ironic, it's all cause they though i was a ,"Snobby Bitch" (excuses the language)...
yeah...some people cant be helped but its ironic but...If you offered me to go back in time and fix it all so I could grow up like any over kid i'd turn the offer down. My past made me into who i am and i like me, even if I'm a nervous wreck half the time, I've found people who like me for me and i live in one of the worst places in NZ(well thats what I've been told), this place is the murder capital of NZ(cause of 3 murders in one month but i've been told by my friends it was just some drunks and family incidents) and has the highest poverty rates but...eveyone here is still so happy they say we suffer up here in the north but from what I've seen it's the happiest. Less is more, people who have more think that those with less are suffering but that's just cause we know what it's like to have more but if you actually step back and spend a day in there shoes from their perspective there way is sometimes better(and i've had the best of both worlds).
My suffering has made me into me, if i was never bullied i would have never started reading, which meant i would have never tried to write my own Star Trek books, I'd never have started to illustrate them, I'd have then never discovered my true potential with a pencil. If I wasn't bullied I would have never known about FNaF (cause one of my bullies played it), then i wouldn't have discovered Markilipire and the world of the internet which lead me to video games and then one day a Undertale live stream.
Is this too much?
My point is suffering make us who we are, it makes people rise and fall but in a way by having it it makes us strive to be a better person if you came in like a fairy and waved your magic wonder where would the suffering that makes US us be? Canca, war, poverty these things all hurt many but some will rise up against it, isn't that what made people like Malala, they saw suffering, the knew the potential for a better world and now they're fighting towards there dreams.
Wouldn't it be better to educate us, and give us the tools to deal with it in our own time rather than make it disappear in weeks or a few year?
...don't you have a science test on wednesday
um....this is more important?
*shakes head walking off*
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He tried being nice. (Although from what I've seen, Green Eyes seems to be one of the decent ones.)
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* yes, i did. and he is a decent one. we've just different priorities.
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...I both want to find other ways to get a "good ending" but also to see how this will work out :/
I can see where he's coming from, but I don't feel like I know enough to say if these elders and gods are right or not about his... experience... There's clearly more to this story than what I see, so I'll just watch for now...
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* those who stay neutral during the uprising will not face any retribution on my part, even if i don't agree with your views on my eperience. if you later decide to pick up arms and join us, you will not be treated differently from those who joined at the first call. but if you cause hurt or the dusting one of us, there will be no such concessions.
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This got way more intense than I thought it would and I am so, so incredibly lost.
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* this is as intense as it needs to be, and why are you lost my friend?
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This is a bit too much to process. Most of this is completely new. Give me an hour or so.
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...So it's "pick a pill" time is it?
This has a very Matrex feel to it.
I'm not really sure where Mossy would stand on this issue. But I'm sure he'd be feeling a bit torn.
It's his best friend vs the one who saved his life...
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My baby is... still unconscious.
I know where he would stand though. And I want to draw it.
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...Maybe it'd be best if whatever happens, happens while Mossy's still unconscious...
He's gonna be an emotional mess when he wakes up, and having to make a choice like this won't help things.
He'd feel so torn that it would only make him feel worse.
#lethimsleepthroughit
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mention vg and me in the description, i'd be curious to see what you'll draw.
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Oh really? Is that what you presume I do? Because last I checked... I haven't interfered in a universe that hasn't asked for me to.
Life isn't fair, that is how it is. I should know, I came from such and you presume much. I am not a Sans. I never have been, never will be.
My question is this, why do you question what is? Presume to know how things are? Sometimes, things are not always what they seem and you must do more than seek your own ends to understand.
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* then you are one of few, an examplary individual and have my sincerest apologies.
* i am well aware that life is not fair, at least it isn't right now. but, ask yourself, do you want life to be unfair? you once were one of the powerless, as you said yourself, are you now deaf to their blight? haven't you once long ago wished "life should be fair"? now, that you are powerfull, are you so content with your own well being that you stopped caring? of course not, you are one of the few protectors that do not keep the masses blind. so, i have to ask, why is it that you deny those who cry for a just and fair universe their wish? you are no longer weak. you can now fight the unfairness in the universe, and not just by protecting a few aus. you could help establish an au spanning government, where the suffering universes are not at the mercy of their tyrants, but can rely on their benelovent neighbours! you don't have to fight by yourself anymore, that is a burden that comes from the old "protectors". i know now that i had presumed too much, put all in the same category, and almost lost a valuable ally such as yourself because of it. but as a true protector, not a "protector", don't you also have nightmares of the children who are mistreated because you're not there? all the wrongs that happen over and over? because that is what i intend to fight. the system, not the people. and as for being a "sans", once upon a time i was a chara, before i became a sans.
* i will answer yours and hope you will answer mine in return. i question what is, because people suffer and die. suffering is something you always should fight, with all of your heart. i do not presume to be all knowing, but as long as death exists, i know that it should not stay that way. i do not care what rationalisations other put behind suffering, i lost too many people i cared about to just accept that it should be that way. i seek not to govern alone, but with others at my side, because i alone could never build such a world.
* now here is my question in return: why don't you question what is?
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I did once wish that, but then I stopped wishing it long before
I came into power because I realized something.
If life were fair, where would be the struggles that make us better?
How would we know to change ourselves to change the world?
As for why I do not act unless asked... to this I say to you a
quote: With great power comes an even greater responsibility.
Should I simply step in every time someone cries for help, they may
become dependent on me.. or someone else, to do everything for them
and thus never grow. The hardest part, about being a protector, is
INACTION.
I wish I could bring peace to each place, to right the wrongs of each
universe, but then, if I did that... how would they grow? Those who
live there would not change and I would never have rest. No, such a
thing is more burdensome than simply watching.
I had no one to help me grow to be who I am. Had someone helped me.
Had someone cared to. I would not be who I am now. It is the same
for others. They must be given a chance to do certain things on their
own.
As for nightmares... I suffer those more in the waking world than when
I close my eyes. I do not dream. I lost that when I became what I am.
It is, perhaps, the only mercy shown to me.
Even if you did not answer my questions, I would still answer yours.
For there is no reason for me not to. I share what I know in hopes that
those who are in positions better than mine may use it to better the
worlds where I cannot. It is up to them to do with it as they will. Death
is a part of life, so is suffering and without it we cannot hope to cherish
life or peace. I will never not fight against suffering, but at the same time
I suffer myself because I know that I cannot save everyone, no matter
how much I may wish it. Even the "gods" do not have that much power.
In response to your question I have this to say: I do not question everything,
but there are some things I do. I know that there are times to question and
times to not. For some things simply must exist in order for balance. A balance
that is always ever present but not always understood.
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* i think you misunderstand what i mean with "fair". "fair" is not the absence of struggle, but that the struggle is evenly distributed. a world without struggle is impossible to achieve, the act of trying to acquire it is struggle in itself. fair is not "easy" it just means that everyone has the same chances. a world lest pain is stagnating, i agree, but does that mean we should not try to give those who are in need of a better start a better chance? or, the opposite. the other side of fair. if it is hell for everyone. no rich people. no wealth. only infinite suffering and strife. there are no more handouts for everyone. we take away from those who have and let them struggle again. according to your own words, that is the best world. the one i have to control my self in order to not create it. because inflicting infinite suffering is so easy. and all the worlds would grow. because if they don't they suffer and die. and even then i might just torture a whole universe just to keep the others on their toes. it is the easy way out. the cowards way. because trying to repair is harder than to break.
* we could start by showing the people that they can have the power to change themself! that is what i want! not helping everyone, since i am not a do gooder. i am lazy. so i want the pwople to tend for themself. that is the core of the republic of undergrounds. helping people to help themself and each other. you don't need to be everywhere, when you can instead just teach people to be like you. that is the difference between a protector and a guardian. a protector only protects, a true guardian also teaches. do not think about what you have to do, what you can't do. think about this: if you teach one person to act like you only once a week, they will still help others! now if you teach many people to be like you, you might be in three places at the same time, because there is a part of you in every person you teach. it grows and grows. our job would to protect those from the people who would twist them, make them hurt others. we would not take their freedom away, we would give them the freedom to truly choose which path they walk along. i chose to become the speaker for the weak, even though i am closer to an elder than to a normie. to help them minimise suffering, not take it away.
* then fight the vision nightmares, help spreading the knowledge, the independence, the strength. because if the people rise, even gods can fall. and so can suffering.i try to form an organisation with elders, like you, in it to work together and help the people and each other. do you really want to scoff at this and continue your solitary way? or would you like a seat where you can share your words with those who might change the worlds? that is, if we get elected. that organisation will not be chosen by me, but by the people. is that not what you really want? keeping the balance? and how better to do it by working together? is that not the ultimate balance? not the arbitrary status quo, but the point where struggle and wealth, both physical and spiritual, are balanced? not where few have lots and many have little. balance need not be what is, or else you'd never have to intervene to keep it.
* take my hand and help me find a better balance. even if it just by showing me that your balance is better than mine.
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Perhaps I did, but even there that "fairness" you
speak of doesn't exist nor can it for the sake of the
balance I mentioned. Life is neither fair nor unfair.
It simply is balanced to be what it is meant to be for
something I do not think any mortal will ever understand.
I never said it was the best... at least, I don't think I did.
You'll have to forgive me if I did and forgot. My memory
is terrible.
To be like me? No... I think not. I do not wish my own
self upon the worst of my enemies. I would want better
for even them.
I have seen how such organizations go before. You must
forgive me if I hesitate. For I have seen such things wither
and much evil come from them because... as they say from
my world "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
This is why I hesitate to act. A being, or even a group of them,
can mean all the good in all of existence... and it turns out
to be the greatest of evils. This is one of those things I
question that I mentioned before.
No offense to you, but I do not trust. I have learned too many
times that I cannot trust my own judgement in regards to who
I should or should not trust. Be it wise or foolish, there is a
great many things I do not trust myself with.
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* as you may know, not every change is an improvement, but every improvement is a change. i understand your hesistancy, but maybe you'd consider staying neutral during the time of turmoil and try to join us, if it still is not of your liking, you can leave at any time. we are not forcing anyone to join us, after all, it is true freedom which we seek. so, as long as you don't cause any harm to me and mine, you are always welcome.
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I make no promises. My past is full of both sides of that coin.
Of Creation and Destruction. We will see what the future holds.
For now... I simply observe and pray that any action I do
decide to take does not rob me of what little I have.
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Here is MY question for you Squirrel.
What about Mossy..? If you stage an uprising he could SO very easily get dusted right now. Go upstairs and take a look if you don't believe me.
Surely you don't wanna be the cause of your best friend's death.
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* not to pop your little bubble, but zolo isn't my "best" friend and i know that he is upstairs, i saw to it that he was put there.
* but, you're right, i don't want him dead, neither his fell counterpart, biff is what i call him, who i am sure would be on my side.
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So be careful, OK.
Someone once told me that the consequences would be "grave" if he wound up dusting.
Biff: ...Would you be able to keep my home from dying..? My responce would depend on the answer to that.
The moss on my skull died about the same time the plants started dying off. Leafdon forest is bare of leaves, dead. And waterfall is doing dark as the mushrooms and even the echo flowers are dying. The harshness of living in a Fell universe is amplifed by the fear of living in a place that's slowly becoming incapible of sustaining life.
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* we will try our best once we can. the fells have been neglected for too long and should be helped, not quarantined away.
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Biff: Thank you!
Before the plants started dying I could at least find a bit of comfort by going into Leafdon forest. But now... it only reminds me of how bad things are getting...
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