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Published: 2012-05-06 04:00:47 +0000 UTC; Views: 2388; Favourites: 41; Downloads: 5
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Intellectually, this is pretty much how I feel about atheism in general. It can be hard sometimes, but is ultimately the most stimulating, honest, and clearest way of thought out there. From the perspective of one who used to believe, it can be 'cold' in the sense of the universe being 'indifferent' or that believers are 'cold' to us. It is refreshing that we can live without fear or worry, and we live intellectually honest lives.
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It's a glorious sea, filled to the brim with ideas and plans for our future, as the cold truth is with us.
But it doesn't make US cold. It wakes us up.
So that we can see the truth.
We do not have cloudy skies, but clear water.
Then sometimes, we have to dive in, to get our answers to the questions we ask.
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No thanks.
I like the idea of living life to the fullest, taking action and being rational n' all, but when you think about it, consciousness is the only thing keeping the universe from being worthless. I mean, what any good is a universe without anything to observe it? Because if that was the case, the universe might as well not existed.
And when intellegent life dies along with the rest of the universe, will the universe have appreciated our service? Will we be remembered for being good organisms?
Food for thought.
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If you think about life, it's funny how religion can't conceive that life isn't made by a conscience, while life is in fact something that is mostly influenced by chance, from the factors that makes life possible on a planet, to the casual events that influence evolution once you find a planet like earth.
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According to a book I read, "God's Debris" by Scott Adams (the creator of the Dilbert comics), says that probability might be the essence of God. Given there's so many definitions of God, I can't exactly blame atheists for not buying the concept.
Perhaps we should ask the aliens what they think.
Another book I'm reading describes the movement of atoms and subatomic particles as if they had little minds of their own. And I heard that determinism, which the scientific community had a love affair with for 150 years, fell apart upon the discovery of quanta.
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Atheism is not determinism. Some definitions of determinism are the idea of fate, not science. Chance and determination both rule the universe, the point is that it's physic laws. Atheism has never been about forbidding or imposing philosophies.
Does it look like atheists are affected to big bang of the absence of the conscience? These are impressions. What we deny is only some affirmations, not concepts.
Let's put it like this: atheism in theory allows christianity, every religion, as long as you control if affirmations you make don't follow philosophy, but the laws of phisics. So, if you apply this idea to religions...
Those who say "I study science, I don't believe in vampires, ufos, ghosts, but the soul, god, the saviour, the spirit, paradise, the creation of human...", don't apply rules of rationality to religion.
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I never said that atheism is determinism. And theism is a philosophy, ain't it?
I believe you messed up your grammar there.
And I think it's funny how atheists insist so much on science when according to science so far:
-We lose all consciousness upon death.
-Humanity will eventually end, thus science.
-The universe will end, and so will the point and effect of anything we ever do.
Don't get me wrong, I love science. But it seems that people, including Richard Dawkins, probably insist on science so much because they are trying to discover something that makes the universe not seem so shitty as our current knowledge of it makes it. If not, then their praise of the poetry of the universe is just smoke and spitting into to wind, because as far as we know, we're already all screwed.
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Sorry about my bad english.
A single atheist has his own philosophy, but it's not about that. Saying atheism is about having forcefully certain wiews is like saying having a phone is about having forcefully a samsung.
I barely heard about richard dawkins, I couldn't tell if I agree with his wiews, because atheism is not about any wiew except the wiew about theism.
You say theism is a philosophy and so it should be allowed. A mature theism that understood other positions wouldn't be any problem. But that's not what happens. Theism, christianity, church, oppose who don't follow them to say the least.
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And I think it's funny how atheists insist so much on science when according to science so far:
-We lose all consciousness upon death.
-Humanity will eventually end, thus science.
-The universe will end, and so will the point and effect of anything we ever do.
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What you probably intend here is that you philosophically don't like it. But it's perfectly fine to have all philosophies, as long as they don't pretend to dictate what everyone should think is the truth and no one should say otherwise.
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I consider myself an agnostic atheist.
But yeah, I'm in the refreshing cold.
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Atheism is not a brilliant light from the heavens, but the clarity that lets us see.
Atheism is not a sheltered cove, but the person chasing the truth in the rain.
Atheism is not a lack of meaning, but the quest to find it.
Atheism is not a loss of hope, but the opening of new doors.
Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods, just as cold is the lack of heat and darkness is the lack of light. We do not weep over lost purpose, but live our lives to the fullest to enjoy our finite existence. This negation is the lack of ignorance, just as truth is the lack of illusion.
Atheism is a cold, refreshing experience: the honest admittance of truth.
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That is beautiful. You should write that as a poem and submit it! I'm serious! Thanks for sharing it with me!
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Aw, I'm flattered!
Submit it as a deviation? Hmm... I'll think about it.
I'm mostly watched by Christians, but I might. >w<
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It's awesome to see stuff like this after debating staunchly religious zealots all the time.
I'm arguing with one right now who seems to think that atheists are at fault for coming off as strident, even though atheists don't get violent, advocate violence, or the like.
We use words to describe our disdain for religion and somehow just by doing that we're being violent. Even other atheists with say stuff like "don't be such a dick, then no one will listen to us". I've always looked at that argument the exact same as saying a rape victim had some part of being raped. "dressed like that, she was asking for it", etc.
No, atheists don't deserve to be labeled intolerant or bigoted because we opposed intolerant and bigoted people. That doesn't make us intolerant in general, it makes us tolerant of the people being targeted by the intolerant and bigoted.
In other words, we weren't being intolerant to the slave owners in the civil war. We were being tolerant of the poor slaves.
Religion, in it's very essence, is intolerance and bigotry. It tells you to be intolerant of certain people. The apostate, the Woman, the child, the gay, certain tribes, etc.
It's organized intolerance, based on superstition and intuition. So, based on nothing but primitive prejudice.
How am I being intolerant to point out how destructive and harmful religions and religious people are?
It's no different from denouncing slavery and slave owners. Slavery mandated and justified by the bible.
Today we fight the religious not on slavery, necessarily, but on equal human rights including gays, atheists, minority religions, and more importantly women rights, children rights, and their abuse.
Christians have a book "How to train up a child", on how to literally beat children into submission. They have what are referred to as christian "scientists" and it's followers rely on prayer to heal their sick children, which leaves them all dead, or deformed. Living years in agony for no reason whatsoever. Pure torture and it's going on right now. There are countless ways religion harms everyone. How can anyone simply be apathetic when they learn of the harm? My guess is that their pseudo morality, produced by compulsory fear, while simultaneous compulsory love negates actual morality.
In other words, the followers of religion are too fearful of god to be truly moral, lest they turn their back on god. They're taught from a young age to do whatever you're told no matter what's right, instead of doing whatever is right, no matter what you're told. threatened with hellfire forever.
Opposing this is moral. Ridiculing those who believe it is doing good. Being intolerant of this kind of disgusting assault on morality is absolutely essential if you care anything for civil human society. Remember, we never slipped into licentiousness because of a lack of belief. They call the time when religion ruled 'The dark ages' for a reason. Religion is the old idea, equality is the new one, an infant really. Protect it against the mob of crazy people at all cost. It's your moral imperative.
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Yes! So obvious sometimes, I wonder why people ever believe in anything other than what they see.
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Fear of death and the unknown?
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True, but come on! An invisible man in the sky who watches our every move? Really? Couldn't they do better?
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Well, it IS a remnant of rather primitive times...
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I love iced tea!
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Very nice comparison. I didn't quite get the "cold" analogy until I read your comment below. As someone who also used to believe I think I can relate to that idea.
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Thank you--I'm glad it's not just me who sees it that way.
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Can I ask what you used to believe? What encouraged you to jump in the water, so to speak? And how long have you considered yourself an atheist? If that's too personal I understand, I'm just curious
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I used to be a Christian, but didn't really believe the stories in the Bible. I started to read books by Stephen Hawking (among others), and got interested in this thing called "reality", and the rest is history. I have been an atheist for a few months now, some of the best months of my life.
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Actually. I really like this a lot, but then I like water stuff so yeah. I agree on the idea as well.
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I actually feel choosing my own moralty and implementing it gives me a sense of palpable solace.
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Certainly! It is comforting to know that we can chose our own lives and actions! Atheism is also very comforting. From the perspective of one who used to believe, it can be 'cold' in the sense of the universe being 'indifferent' or that believers are 'cold' to us. It is refreshing that we can live without fear or worry of making the wrong moral decisions.
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Ahh yes right. I poorly read your message. I know some who are fresh outa the faith box, any who say it is not intellectual poison..... ought only see the damage thick indoctrination can do.
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