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Historically, the monastic movement played a significant role in the development of our society by preserving historical records and maintaining mans knowledge. Monasteries, like islands in seas of ignorance became places where knowledge was housed. It was not always used, but it was at least collected. Even today some of the oldest and best records of man's past are contained in Monastery historical records.This way of life, and even the appreciation for it, has for the most part become irrelevant in our modern world. There are still pockets around our globe where people continue the monastic movement, but for the most part, especially in Europe and North America, the movement seems to be dying out.
This is a Trappist Monk from the Monastery in Holland Manitoba. I had the pleasure of visitng this group last weekend while on a field trip with a class. In meeting with and speaking to the Monks, one of the things that struck me was that each of them that I met, seemed joyful. There was a peace and happiness to their lives that most of us in our modern busyness, don't seem to have.
It struck me that they had no real concern about the future of their movement, even though it is likely to end in the near future. New members have not joined this group in many years, and the remaining members of this order are all getting quite old.
I really cannot place a value judgement on the movement. But the current state of affairs reminds me of other upheavals in sociery where massive changes and diplacements have ocurred, some things are always lost and others are gained. In the final results, some of what is lost impoverishes us, but some of what is gained enriches us. So perhaps the balance in life is maintained and it is for this reason, that the Monks do not seem concerned about the future.
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WayneBenedet In reply to ??? [2021-05-04 01:11:29 +0000 UTC]
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AlberichPotter In reply to WayneBenedet [2021-05-04 06:44:26 +0000 UTC]
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WayneBenedet In reply to AlberichPotter [2021-05-05 00:18:27 +0000 UTC]
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Skoshi8 [2019-01-25 00:48:35 +0000 UTC]
I read in Kenneth Clark's "Civilisation" that there were only three or four original manuscripts remaining from the Greek and Roman period. All the others were preserved by the copying of the monks.
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WayneBenedet In reply to Skoshi8 [2019-01-25 06:13:09 +0000 UTC]
I guess it depends upon what manuscripts you are talking about. I do not think for instance that there is anything "original" from the new testament period (At least when I studied for my degree, there was nothing). The oldest and best manuscript is called "Family 13". The original documents attributed to the apostles for instance, do not exist although there are many copies in many different languages. That however does not mean that what we have is not valuable. Historical records can be cross checked with other historical records often translated into other languages and documents from one period can be checked against documents from other periods. As an example, the Septuagint (A Greek translation of the Old Testament) was not considered to be a good resource for the Old testament because it did not agree well with the records that were currently in use. However, after the Qumran scrolls were found, it was learned that the Septuagint was actually not such a bad translation of the OT into greek.
In the early church, there were no monks as the church structure had not formed. So disciples would copy a manuscript so that it could be sent to another location of gathering (the greek word for church simply means "a gathering". One has to remember that there were no typewriters, no internet, no printing press, so any documents had to be written by hand if they were to be made available to other groups. The quality of the copying varied of course, and in some cases, comments made in the margins were taken into the text. Biblical Scholars have debated many of these differences over the years and I think that they have, through a comparative process been successful in many cases in filtering out the additions and changes. (It not a perfect science of course).
My comment attached to the picture related more to Cenobitic Monasticism staring in about 320 AD, (as separate from Eremitic Monasticism in which individuals lived as hermits). The movement became very important during the dark ages, from about 500 to 1000 (dates are approximate). During this period the monastic movement provided a "system" to save and retain information. Some of this information is still unread by modern eyes and contained in monasteries to this day. (Of course I am only taking the work of my Greek Prof, so this may not be true... but you have to trust someone )
Ever since I studied greek, I have always had a desire to see and handle some of these ancient manuscripts. South of Thessalonika, there are three peninsulas that jut out into the Adriatic Sea. There is a monastery on each peninsula with libraries of saved documents. It has always been a dream of mine to visit this area specifically to see these monasteries and perhaps to view some of the ancient manuscripts myself. As a student, I got to see and translate come copies (photo copies). It was an amazing experience and for me it was like touching the past. Getting access of course is another matter. One would need a PhD, and even then, access is not assured. So (lol) I have decided to retain my dream, but to recognize that the reality is not going to happen.
sorry for the long discourse. I rarely get to talk about this stuff any more, but I still get enthused about it.
Thanks for commenting
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schlangenkraft [2015-02-28 05:47:32 +0000 UTC]
From a single monastery one can rebuild a civilization. It's like a compressed version of our society and culture.
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laurentroy [2014-10-19 10:22:48 +0000 UTC]
Nice portraiture (maybe a bit blurry on the face, but we all know about low light in churches....)
Makes me think about one of mines :
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beniek [2014-08-12 19:55:43 +0000 UTC]
I really like what you said about the role of monasteries in the society and I agree.
I think the problem is that nowadays we are very influenced by XIX and XX century view on medieval times and its philosophy (witch is false in many issues). Also there are many atheists who postulate to outlaw any religion in the world to prevent people from danger. And As far as I understand that they may have much to complain about religions I don't understand the point of saying that they are the root of all evil, because in my opinion usually they are helpful to people and culture and it would be very sad if they would disappear.
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WayneBenedet In reply to beniek [2014-08-12 21:44:41 +0000 UTC]
I think religions are a mixed blessing, just like everything else. Almost every religion I am aware of has its good points and its bad. Sometimes they have had very bad periods where they have done more harm than good. I think the values that religions hold, point to truths that are far greater than us. Unfortunately, religions are managed by men, and as we all make mistakes, it is no wonder that religions like all movements make mistakes.
In my mind, it is important to take the good that is offered, and to leave the bad. There really is no other option. I don't think there will ever be the possibility of "outlawing" religion. It has been part of man's journey for as far back as we are aware. The practice may change with the times, but the possibility of actually "outlawing" a belief in something greater than man, seems to me, to be an impossibility.
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Boias [2014-06-20 12:03:56 +0000 UTC]
Nice , at first , it looked like a realistic painting , good photography !
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Boias In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-20 14:47:42 +0000 UTC]
That photo is asking to be painted . (if only I had the skills to do it) , I wish I could !
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WayneBenedet In reply to Boias [2014-06-21 01:14:57 +0000 UTC]
you can always try.... skills develop....
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Boias In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-23 12:33:36 +0000 UTC]
Maybe I´ll try to paint it one of this days !
But I´m sure that I can´t create that atmosphere and awesomeness showed on that photo .
Thanks so much !
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ancoben [2014-06-12 17:05:07 +0000 UTC]
Beautiful and I like the calm concentration on his face
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BricksandStones [2014-06-10 17:52:54 +0000 UTC]
This is a great shot and it is good that you added its story as well - thanks for sharing it!
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Francular [2014-06-10 16:42:39 +0000 UTC]
Something of Carl Spitzweg - my first thought by looking at the thumbernail. Fantastic job!
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Myronavitch [2014-06-10 14:59:38 +0000 UTC]
I doubt if this dear old monk is playing anything by Dieterich Buxtehude; maybe some Bach, but his devotion ascends in your caring photo.
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WayneBenedet In reply to Myronavitch [2014-06-11 00:17:47 +0000 UTC]
I am not sure what he was playing, I did not recognize it, but he also sang along. He played very well.
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Myronavitch In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-11 14:05:12 +0000 UTC]
In that case, I doubt it was Bach, but I'm sure he played very well.
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glunac [2014-06-10 13:00:39 +0000 UTC]
The photos is so perfect it looks like this image was captured by a master painter, showing us what life was like in a monastery.
There is a wonderful feel coming though this image.
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glunac In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-10 13:13:53 +0000 UTC]
You captured something deep in this photo that I cannot describe in words. It is a beautiful piece. Glad you got to spend time with them.
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WayneBenedet In reply to glunac [2014-06-10 13:21:41 +0000 UTC]
Thanks Gloria.
I get up there every few months usually when I am teaching a course in Holland. It is a great location that offers many photographic teaching opportunities so I tend to goo there on field trips.
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PeachesandCream0808 [2014-06-10 10:00:30 +0000 UTC]
WayneBenedet.......
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WayneBenedet In reply to PeachesandCream0808 [2014-06-10 13:11:01 +0000 UTC]
your question is explained in the comments.
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PeachesandCream0808 In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-10 18:04:44 +0000 UTC]
WayneBenedet.......
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WayneBenedet In reply to PeachesandCream0808 [2014-06-11 00:21:03 +0000 UTC]
You asked who this was. My comments, explain that "This is a Trappist Monk from the Monastery in Holland Manitoba. "
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PeachesandCream0808 In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-11 01:59:24 +0000 UTC]
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WayneBenedet In reply to davincipoppalag [2014-06-10 13:10:20 +0000 UTC]
I debate that in my head David going back and forth. I think of the upheavals in the industrial age. It was very bad for some people, mainly the poor, but without that development, our current world would not be possible. This is only one example that strikes me, but I am sure that I could think of many many more.
I think we have a tendency to romanticize the past, (certainly I do) to see it as a gentler, kinder time. But often, the past was not gentle or kind at all, rather it was brutal and people suffered.
So I really don't know if change is better or worse. Maybe it is better for some and worse for others, and maybe if one takes a very long view, it is better or worse in the end. Maybe change is just change, and there is not way to place an accurate value judgement on it because our lives and the development of out societies are just too complex.
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davincipoppalag In reply to WayneBenedet [2014-06-10 15:37:23 +0000 UTC]
In that sense progress is good. and we gain.. mine was more of an open ended opinion that with all our new technology and information..it could all disappear in a blink following something like a solar storm that fries the electronic world... and in the old way.. knowledge was stored in many places for centuries..and it was unlikely that one event could wipe it all out at once...
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crazygardener [2014-06-10 03:13:18 +0000 UTC]
WOW!!! they just want to enjoy life & not worry what would happen tomorrow... impressive piece of info! interesting! thanks!
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WayneBenedet In reply to crazygardener [2014-06-10 13:04:18 +0000 UTC]
I think it is more than enjoying life Dave. Rather, I think it is a life of service, that we no longer understand. It is the way of life that brings joy, but joy is not the goal.
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Sophia-Christina [2014-06-10 01:53:23 +0000 UTC]
wise words and wonderful portrait of a moment in time
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