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Published: 2014-12-11 22:02:09 +0000 UTC; Views: 2439; Favourites: 95; Downloads: 9
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i had my final for my gender studies class today. i learned a lot and it was a lot of work, but im glad i took it. in the beginning of the quarter, my instructor told us that if we only learned one thing from her class at the end, it should be that 'gender is social construct.'Βof course, ive learned lots more that just that. but it is the most important thing.Β
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if gender is a social construct, then wouldn't that imply that being trans is a choice?
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nah it just implies that the social roles and expectations of men and women have no base in biology. being trans isnt a choice, but the roles you take on when you transition do have a level of awareness. in that case i guess you could say transitioning is a choice but being trans itself isnt. which is why most of us do choose to transition because we dont want to live as the gender we aren't.
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you're confusing gender-roles with gender itself.
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yeah the slogan isnt great. i made this artwork like 5 years ago and i dont care for it anymore to be honest with you
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nope gender is not a social constructΒ
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its notΒ www.researchgate.net/publicatiβ¦
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"im always up to listen to you if you have any solid arguments to make" then goes on to say suck my toes when i bring up a real argument.
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YOU didnt bring up any real arguments. you linked to an immature video, that, in the very first second, misuses the term 'trigger'. you really think something like that deserves to be taken seriously? i was only pandering to the derogatory inflammatory humor that you seem so keen on. learn how to take a joke, cuck!
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Suuuure, gender is a social construct all because you think it is. It totally isn't something that mother nature herself has created. Keep telling yourself that.
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im always up to listen to you if you have any solid arguments to make.Β
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Gender is helpful for many sexual species to know who to reproduce with, so their kind can live on and survive. Nature didn't make up gender just to make a certain group of people feel oppressed. This is just basic survival logic, which is part of what biology centers around, unlike gender studies.
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ok, but we are a little bit different from insects and bugs, dont you think? we dont need to reproduce to survive, not with 7 billion of us alive at this moment. not everyone wants to reproduce.Β
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I'm talking about most species, especially mammals, in general that need both genders in order to reproduce. Sure, there's plenty of us, but if we were to just stop reproducing we would go extinct. And that isn't a very likely thing that's going to happen.
However you look at it, I'm just stating facts, not trying to tell you what to do. Just saying that gender isn't a thing that humans have created, but gender stereotypes ARE something we made up for us ; like what is masculine and what isn't.
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i get where you're coming from, but you're talking about reproductive organs, not gender. reproductive organs are biological and they can vary greatly. i believe gender is separate from sex organs, because they dont always match up. and so gender has no biological roots, rather it is built from social experiences and the social aspects of our lives. i dont think this is a bad thing.Β
(i dont think there are only two genders either.)Β
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You don't seem to entirely know where I'm coming from...gender is based off of sexual organs and physical appearance, not on an individual's feelings; a penis= male a vagina= female, that's just how things are classified, which isn't the worst thing either. And beliefs aren't always facts, nature doesn't rely on the human mind as to how things are done. Nature is biological, no matter how much you try to change it or cover it up.
It is true that in some species, very few but some, have different genders, if not more or less.
But be who you wanna be, think how you wanna think, if it doesn't hurt anybody it isn't a big deal. I'm not trying to come off as transphobic or overall aggressive, but when someone believes that gender isn't a real thing, I do have many doubts against that belief. Just like how you have doubts against my belief because yours is different, and I don't attack people for that reason.
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literally saying "a penis= male a vagina= female" is transphobic though. there are men with vaginas and women with penises and those are the facts of reality. you might want to keep pretending otherwise for simplicity, or because you dont understand it, or because you just dont want to think about it but all i ask of you is to think please before you speak. challenge the ideas you were raised with that were passed off as facts just because they suit the majority. please consider the very real feelings and lives of trans and nonbinary humans.
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My mistake for that one bit... In most cases, this is just how gender works, which is also the facts of reality. So if I were to suddenly claim that I am the opposite gender of what I actually am, does that make me right? "I'm a person who clearly dresses as a female who has female sexual organs and physical traits, but you must refer to me as male or I will feel oppressed and insecure." This is not how gender works in reality. And there are people out there who actually act like this and take it seriously.
But if you're talking about people who actually transform their body to fit the gender they're aiming for, then it's different. But you can't just claim you're one gender when you clearly dress and act like the other, expecting everyone to be able to read your mind and refer you to you're desired sexuality- this is just an example.
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well you wouldnt suddenly claim that because its not true. sadly your wording expresses how little you know on this subject and i dont really blame you, these topics dont affect you, but dont act like you know everything and have the right to decide other people's genders based on physical appearance. some people simply cant afford to transition, but their identities are still valid even if they dont "pass". it isnt a matter of expecting people to read minds, its a matter of taking the time to understand one another. its about not jumping to baseless conclusions you were taught to jump to in your cisnormative society. its about listening to gender variant people and even if you dont understand them. at the very least its about having the decency to overcome your discomfort and use the pronouns they ask you to use.
you yourself said gender roles are a social construct. so if the roles associated with masculinity are purely social and abstract, then who are you to say a man who dresses in traditionally feminine clothes and was born with a vagina, is not masculine, and therefore not a man?Β
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Well yes, I don't know what it's like to be Trans or to suffer from gender dysphoria, so I don't know everything. No one should really be blamed here, as I'm not Trans and you're not cis. We both think in completely different ways.
And if that's who you are, fine, just correct me and I'll try my best to not offend you. But again, claiming gender is not real is just plain nonsense.
And if people are going to be this picky about gender, don't be surprised if a few individuals have a hard time understanding this.
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i dont think claiming gender isnt rooted in biology is the same as claiming its not real. gender is real. i just think its social. our social interactions and experiences are real and so gender is real because its based on those things. ive been thinking about this a lot since i made this art, and even though i still feel the same way i dont think theres enough evidence to claim either opinion is right with 100% certainty. so im not 100% certain. but this is still what i believe at this point in time.
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Alright, believe what you wish.
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Saying that gender is a social construct is like saying things are created by words. We use words to talk about things. Things exist outside of the words used to describe them.
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Back in times, graduates would be able to argue their points, especially if they pretend to be based on scientific evidence. What the hell happened to universities?
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im not a graduate, and i dont care much for this subject anymore. as long as people are respectful and kind to each other, it doesnt matter if gender is a biological aspect or not. it means different things to different people.Β
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It means different things to different people if a portion of people doesnt know what it means
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Hahahahahaha, oh god another person being indoctrinated into thinking like some progressive shmuck. Gender studies are useless, it's just bunch of ideologues pushing their agenda down young people's throats. I'll end my comment with this gem:
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dont you have anything better to do with your life
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Oh so educating fools like you isn't worth while? You are turning into such a fucking pussy, please, drop the gender studies, eat a steak, go to the gym and bathe in testosterone. Then you will thank me, perhaps that would flush out all the estrogen you have in your body.
PS. So we should make transgender people think that they are in their proper gender right?
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i am a transgender person.Β
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Then why don't you set your mind to being a male or female if gender is a social construct? Are you stupid or masochist/attention whore?
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why do you sound so angry and aggressive lmao
its a social construct because theres nothing biological about it. but that doesnt mean it isnt valid. gender plays a role in our daily social lives and its important to everyone.Β
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...Therefore it's not a social construct, you are refuting your own beliefs here. Why are liberals such doublethinking morons? Nothing biological about what?
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theres nothing biological about gender.Β
gender is how we move through the social world. its the pronouns we use. how we present ourselves to other people but it has nothing to do with our biological bodies. the only purpose it serves is for communication.Β
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Wrong, there are predispositions that tie into gender. Males are more agressive, dominant, ambitious while females are more caring and submissive. At least that's how it used to be.
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thats mostly taught behavior. testosterone can cause aggression. everything else is just expectations we're forced to conform to, else we be outed as 'not normal and become targets of violence.
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You do realise that there was an experiment conducted that proved males prefer mechanical objects (trucks for example) and females prefer objects resembling themselves or living beings overall (dolls for example), furthermore - the experiment had identical results when conducted on primates.
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that means nohing. it doeant speak for the entire human race so i dont care and frankly im done talking to you. theres nothing to be gained from this. ive told you my beliefs and youve made yours very clear as well. bye dude.
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"I can't prove any of my points so I'm going to be a pussy and leave this conversation"
Such a disgrace, how much of a pussy are you? Waste of fucking oxygen you are.
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you'll die young if you never learn to fucking chill.
blocked.
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Ohhhh I'd love to take a class like that. I love this, too!
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Thank you very much for making this. C:
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What does this mean in your eyes? Because, to me, if you still have a dick, you're a boy. You got a vagina, you're a girl. So what does 'gender' mean to you?
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okay. i have a lot that i can say about this. but im going to try to keep this simple and all i ask of you is to try and keep an open mind, and critically think about what im about to say here.Β
to me, gender is how you perceive yourself. its how you want others to perceive you. its how you want to be seen and treated in society. this is why i agree with the idea that gender is a social construct, because without society there would probably be no need for gender. theres a lot of things that go into gender and everyone has their own personal definition, really. but i think most people, including me, can agree that gender is what you feel in your mind. and it does not always match up with the sex assigned to you at birth. this is where transgender people come into the conversation, who by definition, have genders that vary from what label was assigned to them. there is no argument that trans people exist, and their experiences are real and valid.
so no, not everyone born with a vagina identifies as a girl. boys, girls, nonbinary folks, gender fluid folks, agender people, anyone can have a vagina. its just a body part and it does not determine your gender. you may try and tell me, 'this is just my opinion and i have a right to keep it!', but you are wrong. this isn't a matter of opinion. you could claim that it is your opinion that the ocean is just made up of tiny dogs. a ridiculous opinion, and totally wrong. the ocean is made of water, and trans people are real.Β
you are also wrong in thinking that male and female are the only genders possible. gender can be many other things, because it is a personal experience, has no connection to biology, and again, would hold little meaning out of society. but its important to keep in mind that we do live in society, so gender is very much important to all of us. everyone who functions in society has a gender and it is important and valid to them. most people don't think about this though, because cisgender people rarely have to consider the possibility that not everyone in the world is cis. because cis people are privileged in that manner, but im not here to talk about that right now.
i also want to point out that assigning only two possibly sexes at birth is corrupt and holds little medical logic when we take into account that dicks and vaginas are not all that different from each other, and many many people are born with ambiguous genitalia. i suggest taking some time to read about intersex individuals who are a lot more common than you would probably think.Β
if you would like to learn more about anything that ive briefly talked about, there are plenty of resources available to you. and if you have any more questions for me personally, i'd be happy to answer and clear up any more confusion you may have.Β
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Bullshit brainwashing passing as 'education'.Β
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you know what the real bullshit brainwashing is? that you dont even need an education to learn because its engraved into our society in every form it can possibly take? that we're brainwashed with the moment our tiny newborn baby bodies are wrapped blue or pink blankets? cisnormativity. heteronormativity. and the false idea that gender is binary.Β
try thinking for yourself for once. try listening to people who obviously defy your binary "male or female only" system, for once. you're the brainwashed victim here.
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