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PurplerSharpie In reply to ??? [2012-03-20 05:18:44 +0000 UTC]

sssshhh It's preggers, and MOODY

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Sleipnir800 In reply to ??? [2012-03-19 23:30:07 +0000 UTC]

This Dolphin doesn't look like his life is funny. She looks sad. But what are you expecting from a Dolphin who lives in a Pond...

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woxys In reply to Sleipnir800 [2012-03-20 06:11:13 +0000 UTC]

yes, she looks sad.
in fact, she was crying! Do you see the tears?
It was so unhappy.
She even asked me to take a shotgun and end her suffering.
But instead, I just said ,,JUMP THROUGH THE CIRCLE, Flipper!"

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WolvenBird In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 22:16:53 +0000 UTC]

Best answer ever.

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woxys In reply to WolvenBird [2012-03-20 22:20:55 +0000 UTC]

I think so

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woxys In reply to LInconnu24 [2012-03-19 22:22:46 +0000 UTC]

No, I have no wish to waste my time with brainless propaganda
I advice you to read some fact about Rick o Barry

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-19 23:21:38 +0000 UTC]

Brainless? How can you judge something you don't look at...?
If you read some facts about Rick O Barry as you say, you would know he's the one who did "The Cove"

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 05:52:44 +0000 UTC]

sure, a movie full of lies I am a journalist. For me, it is easy to see that Barry is a manipulator. I know it is not that easy for the rest. But I really do not need to see a documentary about dolphin captivity made by a man, who preferes his ideology to real animals.

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 13:30:49 +0000 UTC]

How can you see that's full of lies if you don't look at? x) I just mean - you judge something without given the benefit of the doubt. Just look at the pictures and movies, and then, give your opinion.
Also, this man worked by the past with dolphins - he was the first to work with them and that's because of him that aquatic parcs like Marineland grew up. He knows what he's talking about because he worked with them, he saw how animals were domesticated, etc... I don't say every little things people say are true (something absolutly stupid I heard - that the teeth of killer whales were removed ) but there's some truth, and even if it's difficult to believe or accepted, I think that is proved. You should just look at before saying that's brainless. Nothing is brainless when there are proofs

(By the way, the picture you take is really great, I it )

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 15:27:58 +0000 UTC]

because there are also interviews with the author
and I KNOW HIM
I am interested in dolphin captivity for years

If you know, that your neighbour was in jail for raping a woman, will you still accept his offer to visit a dark forest with him?
I would not.

If I know, that Barry has been charged for animal cruelty (!!!), I do not feel any reason to listen to him.

If I know he is able to make one DOCUMENTARY (!!!!) which contains lies, I do not see a reason to watch the second documentary made by him

I am a journalist and university student - and Barry is simply a BAD source of info. He sees the world through HIS ideology. And he describe the world through his ideology, maanipulating the facts.

Maybe, this will make you think about my point:
O Barry WAS MY HERO.
But!


By the way, do you know, that Barry made cooperated also with a documentary about releasing a captive dolphin called Stephania to the wild?
It was very antidolphinarium.
It ended with a dolphin leaving the sea pen, swimming to the wild, choosing freedom. It claimed the dolphin was finally wild and it is possible to return captive dolphins to the see.
As a kid, I was excited about such documentary.
But later I found out, that in reality, Stephania got back to her pen immediately and she absolutely refused to leave it. She has NEVER been free.
Later, she had to be transported to another sea park.
Barry even CONFESSES she has never been free.

And the result? The documentary said she WAS free.
So it contained LIES.
Why the HELL should I watch and TRUST a DOCUMENTARY which is full of lies?
And why the HELL should I watch Cove, which was made by a person, who has already made a documentary full of lies?

O Barry is as trustful source of info as a communist, who has made several movies about how terrible and cruel western world is, while there is a paradies in eastern communist countries.


Thanks for liking the photo itself!

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 17:06:16 +0000 UTC]

Even if the words are lies for you, just look images and see - videos do not lie. Just look at this pictures : [link] and tell me Barry didn't fight against this (Animals Cruelty!!) doing the movie where he shows what was doing there...

I don't see what's bad trying to release a captive dolphin... He tried to save her in a way he did not have to do, that's all. Do you never did a mistake? True, that's antidolphinarium, but that's because dolphins suffer from captivity and that's prove by scientifics too. I don't say dolphinariums are the worst things in earth - thanks to them, people loved sea world and there's a relationship between the dolphin and his animal keeper (I wanted to be one at the beginning) but what I know too is that dolphins come to us in the wild too! We do not need to imprison them to look at them and share something!
He doesn't do this documentary, he cooperated. And I understand why he did it - Stephania probably lived to much time with humans - she eats dead fishes and that need time to help a captive animal to be free, just because he doesn't have his family with him and that's not easy to found one, to chase again, etc. That was explain with Keiko.

"Why the HELL should I watch and TRUST a DOCUMENTARY which is full of lies?"
'cause I simply don't talk about the same... =/ And because giving one more chance isn't a crime. Even if you don't trust every words, images and movies talk by themselves.

I think you won't try, but that's already good to talk. Maybe if you were interested by wild dolphins and not captive ones, you would see there are some horrors in the world, and not only in the occidental part, as there's also some beauty in the Nature

"If I know, that Barry has been charged for animal cruelty (!!!), I do not feel any reason to listen to him."
I searched on the web and I didn't find anything about it... What did he do exactly? He tried to free a dolphin and has taken two years in prison, is that animals cruelty for you? When you know the one he loved when he was an animal keeper committed suicide in her arms because she could not endure the captivity?
Are we talking about the same thing here? I don't think so let me know

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 19:57:42 +0000 UTC]

but I appreciate you can discuss without hystery, anti-dolphinarium people usually just yell at me

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 20:15:18 +0000 UTC]

x) That's sometime difficult to talk normally when something is important to us ^-^

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 18:05:51 +0000 UTC]

[link] --- this is so sad. Poor animals, starving and suffering in a ,,AAAALLLL dolphins MUST be freee!" ideology

I bet Keiko would be much happier, if he was moved to Sea World. Yes, his tank in Mexico was so tiny and awful! But in Sea world, he would have much bigger chance to have a nice life and fun with another orcas.

But of course those activist will always say that he would prefer wonderful death in the wild (wtf) than life in captivity. Even long life with orca's company.

Is not better to not be that wonderfully idealistic and better be realistic and provide GOOD living conditions for captive dolphins?

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 19:56:18 +0000 UTC]

There's no one better than an other There's different point of views, and I'm not idealistic or realistic at the extreme. I see facts, and I just say that's damage for dolphins to be puppets and prisoners who do everyday the same things (even if they are too much intelligents to be inactive). But no one can say what's better for them, we can just supposed.

By the way, that's an article which talk about something old, no? 1991? We evolve
But I don't say we should bring them all back to the wild - that is too late, they are dependent and impregnated. We should just stop taking others and exchange some members of the family. That's for the "GOOD living conditions" you promote.

[I don't read all the article, sorry - I'm a french spearker, so I read some parts, but I probably could not understand everything]

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 18:00:03 +0000 UTC]

I am not a hypocryte I love dolphins since my childhood, and Taiji (I knew about Taiji for pretty long time, only people, who are not interested in world's events were shocked AFTER watching Cove) makes me pretty depressed. But at the same time, dolphins are FORTUNATELY not endangered. If people hunt them for food, the only issue I found proplematic is a question, if it is possible to kill a dolphin quickly.

Trying to release a captive dolphin IS pretty problematic.
Bacause the result is an animal, who is scared to death and finally starving to death.
What a wonderful fate.
They were several attempts to release captive dolphins. Well... read about it and enjoy some documents about it I better do not imagine the terror and fear and hunger of those dolphins, who were forced to "be happily free".

Animals suffer in captivity so much, that they live much longer (even more than 50 years) in dolphinarium than in the wild (25)


I do not give a second chance to manipulators, I am not that naive and my time is too precious

He illegally released captive dolphins, who were later found starving and suffering. It clearly shows that he prefers his ,,AAAAAALLL THE DOLPHINS SHOULD BE FREEEEE!" ideology to real animals. Thanks to his beautiful ABSTRACT idea, REAL animals suffered.

Do you see my point? It is always more important to realistically care about real animals. If he said ,,ok, this dolphinarium has extremelly tiny pools. I start a campaign to move the dolphins to better facility", he would have my vote. But he is not a realistic person. All he wants is descruction: ,,close, ban, stop, do not build, do not start reconstruction, protest, make it more difficult". And there is no construction.

I am so happy Nuremberg built this lagoon, which increased condition for dolphins dramatically. They managed to make dolphin's lives better, although those fanaticans protested and did their best to stop the project. They also delayed the project a lot, so dolphins had to spend longer time in old tiny pool. Is that really dolphin love?
I do not think so.
Those dolphin CAN NEVER be released to the wild.
So realistic person and REAL dolphin lover wants to improve their living conditions.
Instead, those people decided to go for their ,,stop, destroy, ban" campaign. They did NOTHING good for dolphins. They just had a nice demonstration, I bet they had fun

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 19:41:22 +0000 UTC]

I don't say nor think you were hypocryte
The Cove was just a way to show to the world what happened, and why it was a problem for humans too.
Some dolphins are you know Not all of them, but some unfortunately are vulnerable [link]
That's a good question, but I'm not sure that's their problem And an other question is : does dolphin as food is good for humans health?

The problem with captive dolphins is that they are already scared and confused. They come from differents "packs" (I don't know the english word for dolphins families :S), they can not use their sonar, they eat dead fishes - that's not natural, and that's the reason why it's not also possible to free them so easily. That's a real problem, that's true.

"Animals suffer in captivity so much, that they live much longer (even more than 50 years) in dolphinarium than in the wild (25) "
uuuuh not, you reverse the roles. In France, as what I know, no one lived longer than 25 years (which is already really rare...)! I only know one dolphin who lived the real life she should have in captivity.

In a way, what he says is true - animals should be free - why do they lived all in zoos? That's cool for humans, we can see all of them and love them, but they are prisoners... In a way, being with humans is easier, but there's no freedom. If they don't do what humans want for shows, they won't eat...

Dolphin's love is a difficult question. That's always better to be free and swim in the sea than in a poor giant aquarium é_è. I think that is the real problem against Barry and the others fight.
That's maybe to late for them, yes. And that's one of the reason why dolphins are most of the time exchanged from park to park to breed (cause taken a wild animal is today prohibited), and they loose their new "family" to arrive in an unknown group, which is very stressful. I would have a lot of documentaries to give you, but that's in french (and I think you don't care x) but that's because of them I change a little my point of view)

"So realistic person and REAL dolphin lover wants to improve their living conditions."
In which way? Would you like to be a zoo animal instead of be free? At the very beginning I mean. Animals born in captivity didn't know what they "lost".

I think you're too involved in your opinion as =LInconnu24 is sometimes. You can have your point of view and think what you want, but respect people who think the freedom is the best gift a life can receive, please.

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 19:57:00 +0000 UTC]

some of them unfortunately are vulnerable, but fortuately not bottlenose dolphins

Eglish name is a "school of dolphin"

Well, ZOOs have done much more good for animals than all those ,,animals should be free" activists together I really do not think freedom is that importnat for animals. Even in nature, they have their territoriums and they would probably prefere safety to cruel wild

Do not get me wrong - I am not a fanatican fan of dolphinariums.
I used to be very strongly against dolphinariums - but after I learned more about the issue, I started supporting good modern facilities. I am still unsure about orcas though, I think those animals are too huge and humans are hardly able to prepare good living conditions for them...
I am also fed up with lies of anti-dolphinarium activists, so I will never support them

believe me, I have seen many materials about animals captivity, as I say, I used to be anti-dolphinarium

Would you like to be a zoo animal instead of be free? - honestly? YES. I would like to spend my life in modern nice enclosure than living in a wild, facing death 100% of my time would you like to live in a Hotel Hilton with perfect care or in a civil war, which is never ending
People's opinion about freedom is effected by the fact, that we live in modern and safety countries which provide us INCREDIBLY big amount of certainty and safety. It is very easy to sit on a sofa and speak about fantastic and romantic wild nature and freedom. But those animals have 0% of certainty. You can imagine human life in some African willage in a country with terrible civil war where life has no value and protection - those poor civil civilians can expect rape, murder, torturing, cruelty and death of their kids 100% of time. THAT is what means to be wild

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 21:48:33 +0000 UTC]

But all dolphins are important By the way that's strange - why there is only A subspecie and not subspecieS of dolphins in dolphinarium? Because the others subspecies did not survive in captivity... More informations about the differents subspecies that are involved in the Taiji's massacre, even if it's french that could interested you [link]

Ok, thanks for the translation That's completely different in french x)

"Well, ZOOs have done much more good for animals than all those ,,animals should be free" activists together I really do not think freedom is that importnat for animals. Even in nature, they have their territoriums and they would probably prefere safety to cruel wild "

I'm not sure. Here's the question: if you let the choice to an animal, will he choose the freedom or the facility? I already saw animals who escaped from zoos. Isn't it the proof they would like to choose freedom sometimes?
Zoos have done great things for sure, I don't blame them for everything x3

An other thing to debate - you said on the artist comment "there are scientific researches about dolphins, which usually prove their high inteligence", and that's true, some scientifics even say there are as intelligent as humans or maybe more. Humans are punished by prisons. What is exactly a prison? Somewhere where others tell you what to do, give you food, and where you're locked from the rest of your world. You have no freedom and you can not blossom yourself... If cetaceans (or dolphins) are as intelligents as us, that explain the reason why dolphinariums are horrible for them - they can not blossom theirselves.

'I used to be very strongly against dolphinariums - but after I learned more about the issue, I started supporting good modern facilities.'
That's the opposite of my way x) I was for, and now I'm quite 80% against and 20% for (because for most of animals zoo can help them survive when humans destroy their habitats).

"I am also fed up with lies of anti-dolphinarium activists, so I will never support them "
Which lies exactly? Just about their wish to free a captive dolphin? The only real lie you told me was the documentary. I'm sure everyone lies one day, and the zoos too.

Civil War is a human concept But I would NOT live in a Hotel!! Nor in a big city. I prefer fighting everyday and do what I want when I want instead of doing what someone want from me to get my food - there's no other way to receive it! In the wild, I have my chance and options. That is freedom, even if it's more difficult than humans' life, for sure.

"People's opinion about freedom is effected by the fact, that we live in modern and safety countries which provide us INCREDIBLY big amount of certainty and safety."
For sure, that's too much. I can not support to see how much we have and waste. I see people reject fishes to the sea because they can not sell them - WTF? Why don't you give it to someone in need? Real wild animals don't eat dead creatures, that's just a big waste.

What you describe is not wild, that's humans mistakes. Animals survive with what they have and that's all. They killed to eat, not for the pleasure to see blood or to receive money...

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 22:06:55 +0000 UTC]

but it is normal, some species are easier to be kept in captivity

I have seen animals who escaped from ZOOs - but they came back they very even allowed to leave their enclosure (and sometimes even whole ZOO), because they always came back.
Isn't it the proof they would like to choose captivity sometimes?

Dolphins are not as intelligent as humans. I love them, but they are ANIMALS
most of those dolphins were born in captivity, so all they know are pools and they do not feel like in prison. Do you miss having fun in Kromeriz? Does it make your life worse? It does not, because you do not know what Kromeriz is, so you can hardly miss something you do not know

Too many lies
Like ,,all captive dolphins came from the wild." ,,All of them come from Taiji."
,,Dolphins are forced to work in shows." ,,If dolphins do not work in shows, they are punished with starving". ,,Dolphins live in tiny pools" (usually followed with a photo of a dolphin in a backpool without info, that showpool is MUUUUCH bigger). ,,All dolphins die too soon in captivity" (not true ). ,,Dolphins are fed by force". ,,Dolphins hurt each other in stress" (biting is normal way of communication even among wild dolphins). AnD MANY more lies.

But animals LIVE in the same situation in the wild.
If they go sleep, they have a big chance that they will be killed during sleep.
Every injury can mean infection, starving, cruel death.
Every bad movement can be punished with death.
Every second of low attention can by punished with death.
When mother gives birth, she will probably see almost all her babies dead, as only few of them will survive.
When she goes to hunt, she might found only bloody meat, the only remain of her cubs after arrival.
Their space is still limited.
They must fight for food every day. If they do not find food, they starve.

But ZOOs and dolphinariums: great medical care, their own territory in an exhibit, which is doing its best to be as natural as possible, much less stress (YES, absolutely sure they have much less stress), nice chance to see the babies growing and surviving. Privacy. Safe sleep. fantastic quality food.

I really would not want to have a life full of 100% stress

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-20 23:17:32 +0000 UTC]

That's a proof all animals are not as well as you say in captivity, no matter how good seems to be their environment.

I see animals who were NOT allowed to leave their enclosure and would not want to come back I think you're talking about donkey, chickens or why not horses, but I don't think a feline would come back to his prison x) Or a dolphin if he was wild.

"Dolphins are not as intelligent as humans. I love them, but they are ANIMALS "
That's a snapshot. Why humans would be the best, the most intelligent, etc...? We judge so much the others - we say animals do not know art, etc... But dolphin does! There are proofs one more time

"All captive dolphins came from the wild."
At the beginning that was the case. From where do you think they come from? But people don't care about that because as you say - there are some babies in some dolphinariums now... And I'm sure some specimens still comes from the wild... =/

"Dolphins are forced to work in shows." & "If dolphins do not work in shows, they are punished with starving"
I think it's true, but words are exaggerated. If they don't do the shows, they are indeed punished because they won't received the fish! So they won't eat. They eat only during the differents shows as what I know so if they don't do what people ask, they don't eat.

"Dolphins live in tiny pools"
That will always be tiny in comparison to the sea...

"All dolphins die too soon in captivity" (not true )
Do you have some sites to show me how long live the dolphins in your country? Because as what I know, that's true in my own...

"Dolphins are fed by force"
Fake... If they were fed, they wouldn't work on the shows that's illogical...

"Dolphins hurt each other in stress"
That can be true too.

I see only 1 or 1 1/2 true lies for me.

"But animals LIVE in the same situation in the wild."
Uuuuh nooooo! They don't eat dead fishes, they chase them, they swim and play... If you look at a dolphin's swimming pool you won't see anything allowing them to play - just why? Why is there no games? No shells, no algaes like there are on the others pools?
This is a "lie" to me, without wanting to offend you.

"If they go sleep, they have a big chance that they will be killed during sleep."
In the wild, "school dolphins" (is that the correct term? I already don't remember ) have between 100 to 300 individuals, they don't sleep all on the same time so they won't be killed on their sleep.

"Every injury can mean infection, starving, cruel death."
True, that's disadvantages of the wild life and a good point for zoos.

"Every bad movement can be punished with death."
In dolphins society? I'm not sure...

"When mother gives birth, she will probably see almost all her babies dead, as only few of them will survive. "
It doesn't explain why wild dolphins are so much in one school dolphins.

"When she goes to hunt, she might found only bloody meat, the only remain of her cubs after arrival."
Not sure to understand that point sorry

"Their space is still limited."
In the sea? Not as much as a pool anyway.

"They must fight for food every day. If they do not find food, they starve."
True, but I'm not sure it is so common. Dolphins are good to chase in family, if they don't eat one day or two, that won't killed them. They do not need to eat everyday.

"But ZOOs and dolphinariums: great medical care"
+1. That's true, and a good point as I say sooner

"their own territory in an exhibit" Humans territory. Personnally that would be one of my worst nightmare to be exhibit as they are...

"which is doing its best to be as natural as possible"
WHAT?!? O.O Natural?! Only water is natural??? Sharks pools are quite naturals, but not dolphins pools, that's a big mistake you make. What sounds like the sea in those shows pools?

much less stress
That's your point of view, with musics, noises, strangers, etc... I'm sure that's worst or something similar... =/

"Privacy"
uuuh do you really think that?

"fantastic quality food."
Dead food... But the animal keeper choose the food according to the way the dolphin runs the shows - if the dolphin do what he asked but not exactly like he should do it, he gives the head of the fish. If the dolphin give exactly what he ask, he gives a good part of the fish. I'm not sure humans' version of the quality is the same than dolphins' one (maybe they prefer living foods, who know?)

I wouldn't too... But a life without stress is impossible.

By the way, I think all what I say sounds like a lie for you so maybe we should stop there =/

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-20 23:34:14 +0000 UTC]

let's stop it, this has no sense

and animals do not get TINY REWARD fish when they do not work in shows. But of course they are WELL-FED between the shows. The show is NOT a feeding time, omg! As you can see, this is very common lie and unfortunately accepted by many people.

My country has no dolphinarium.

"Every bad movement can be punished with death." - nets. beaching.

Dolphins have toys and interracting - they use both. Have you ever seen captive dolphins? I have, I watched them for hours. They were always very active, playing with balls, interracting. And some dolphins are fed with alive fish they need to chase.

Some dolphin pools are very natural. Some are just pens in the see, some have corals, rocks and algae. Some have even alive fish and water creatures there.

Yes, privacy. They is always some part where animals can hide. Maybe your ZOOs are not as good as local ones.


Let's end it, I will keep my opinion and I understand you want to keep your one have a nice day.

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Nakouwolf In reply to woxys [2012-03-21 10:30:32 +0000 UTC]

I think that's true - that has no sense. I look at Nuremberg dolphinarium (because he was mentionned) and I see only one dolphin is as old as he can be in the wild. That's sound like an exception when 37 dolphins are dead since the opening of the dolphinarium... [link]

If they were as well fed as you say, why would they worked everyday to received tiny rewards fishes? They should don't care if they had food after the shows, no? That just sounds logicial, that's the reason why people believed it.

Oh yes, because of humans one more time u_u That's true.

Could you show me some videos of the living fishes they chase in captivity or them playing between the shows? Because I HAVE a dolphinarium in my country, I watch them too and they DO NOT have games nor a natural pool. I talk about things I know because it's in my country so for sure, I already see captive dolphins! Who are you to judge others because you disagree? That's the thing I reproach you since the very beginning - you're not better because you think your point of view is the best - you don't have the right to judge others brainless. That's the reason why I decided to discuss with you for hours...

I never see such natural pools... I look at many photos and at the Marineland I know, and there were nothing - dolhpins just swim round en round all day.

"Yes, privacy. They is always some part where animals can hide. Maybe your ZOOs are not as good as local ones. "
For sure...

Yup ^-^ Just for the last time - don't say something is brainless if you disagree, please.
Have a nice day too

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-21 11:55:44 +0000 UTC]

I mean - I have no problem if you are anti dolphinaroums as far as you do not block project, which can make lives of captive dolphins better.
Keep your opinion, that's totally ok.
I am anti fur farms and NOTHING on Earth can not persuade me to respect killing animals just for fur.

But please, do not use material like ,,dolphins HAVE TO do shows or they are punished with starving if they refuse to do tricks". Because it is not true, at least not in Europe and N. America, where are modern facilities I support.

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woxys In reply to Nakouwolf [2012-03-21 11:25:06 +0000 UTC]

sure, dolphins die - in nature and in captivity.
But the funny thing is manipulation of activists: recently a dolphin lady died in Nuremberg. She was 42, I think, while average life span of a wild dolphin is JUST 25 years. Soon, Moby will die. He is already 52, so death is a necessity. Both dolphins had very long life. But the news tittles will be: ,,OMG, TERRIBLE DOLPHINARIUM OF DEATH - TWO DEAD DOLPHINS IN TWO YEARS!" It is the same like charging a headmaster of some house for retired people for death of two people, who were 100 and 104 years old, but they died in the same week.
As I say - I am a journalist, I know how perfectly those people manipulate

you might be SHOCKED, but they LOVE to do the show.
I saw more shows - every one was different. Sometimes dolphins refused to do some trick, another time dolphins did tricks although they were not asked to do them. They even slided out of water although nobody asked them to do so - this trick is the most problematic in my own eyes. But I saw dolphins doing that just for fun, getting out of water even between shows and then sliding back to the pool. And the trainers just laugh when dolphin do not want to cooperate or if they are too excited about some game. No stress, no punishment.
You will NEVER persuade me that dolphins are forced to do tricks for food, because it is incredibly big and awful lie and if I were a dolphin trainer, I would charge everybody who spreads those lies for slander, because it in fact says that keepers torture animals with starving.

Also, did you see a fish they get for a reward? It is TINY. And often, they get sepia for a reward, who is in fact almost just water, no meat. It is simply a CANDY, a little motivation. Dolphins are NOT fed during the shows, they are well-fed between the shows. I saw it. After the show, a keeper sat near the pool with a bucket, feeding animals with fish. They did not have to do any trick to be fed.


Duisburg

honestly, if you were really interested in dolphinariums, you would know plenty of such natural facilities facilities with rocks, fish, algae, corals because they are really many of them. In Europe, it is for example Harderwijk. They have fantactic deep and huge lagoon for dolphins, it has natural sea water and dolphins breed like crazy there, being obviously very satisfied.

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woxys In reply to AlexPhotograpy [2012-03-19 22:21:57 +0000 UTC]

sorry, it is almost 6 months, I am not sure - but she was VERY close
I was alone with her - later, when the place got crowded, they did not swim closer

and thanks

by the way, Anke is back in Nurmberg and they plan to connect the school with Joker and Arni!

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