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I am a vegetarian. However, I'm sick of other vegetarians and vegans making asses of themselves over people eating meat.These people are just giving vegetarians and vegans a bad reputation. These people are the reason other people think were stuck up jerks.
For all you vegetarians and vegans who want to help out, let me give you an example of the ONLY time you should voice your opinion.
Example:
Non-vegetarian person: "Why don't you eat mean?"
That's when you can tell them. That's the only time. And try to avoid saying things like "Eating meat is an abomination and all meat-eaters should be ashamed of them selves!!"
Seriously, you're making everything worse.
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Again: you can use that poor excuse for every form of violence in the world. People will also do a lot of other violent things because they want to. That doesn't mean it's morally justified and that we shouldn't speak up for the victims. With this attitude nothing would ever change in society, and things that used to happen for hundreds of years like slavery and so on would continue today just because the oppressors "chose to do it". If a choice has victims, people are going to speak up. It's that simple.
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Oh my god, that is the worst excuse I've ever heard in my life.
Seriously, if people want to eat meat, LET THEM EAT MEAT!
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If saying that violence isn't justified just because the oppressor chooses to do it is "the worst excuse you've heard in your life", then what does that say about you?
You can keep repeating yourself like a broken record to work your way around my argument, but that won't logically defend your position.
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I can say the same thing about you, broken record.
Won't be surprised if you also force carnnivore animals into eating vegtables as well.
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If you can't logically defend what you're saying, why even bother posting?
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You ignored everything I said. Good to know you that you are just another crazy vegan.
I don't like vegetables at all, and there are a lot of people who also don't like vegetables. Deal with it.
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Or I replied politely and you ignored my questions? Does polite conversation quantify being "crazy"?
Also, do you know what your victims don't like? Being exploited, tortured and killed on your behalf.
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"Do you know what your victims don't like? Being exploited, tortured and killed on your behalf" Tell that to the carnivorous animals, who don't care what their victims think or like
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"Lions tho".
Wild animals kill to survive. They must kill to eat, otherwise they would die. Whether they kill on instinct or are aware of their predicament is irrelevant, we are not in their situation. If you live in modern society and have access to crops, vegetables, fruit, grains etc, then you have no obligation or need for animal products. Also, lions exhibit all kinds of behaviour that you would seek to avoid, for instance, violent territorial disputes, and male lions will kill the cubs of a female he wishes to mate with because she won't mate while she has cubs around. Lions are not good ethical role models.
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Bears do that too
Also, we also kill to survive, as sad as it sounds. We had since humans existed in the earth, and thanks to that we have survived for many years.
The only animals I eat are cows, chicken, turkey, pigs, squid, fish, and shark (even thought I don't like sea food that much).
Be happy that I don't eat other animals or hunt them (I hate hunting)
Instead of whinning about people eating meat, you should protect the animals that are in danger of extincion, or protest about people hunting just for fun.
Giraffes are now in danger of extincion, YOU should be more worried about that.
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Also, we also kill to survive, as sad as it sounds.
This is false. Animals are killed for the enjoyment of eating their dead bodies. It is not a matter of survival, as proven by all the hundreds of millions of vegans in the world.
We had since humans existed in the earth, and thanks to that we have survived for many years.
If you live in modern society and you're reading this on the internet, clearly you must acknowledge that you do not live like your ancestors. Your ancestors did many violent things that you avoid, and you do plenty of things that they never did. Times have changed, we can choose to live non-violently and avoid harming those that pose no threat to us.
The only animals I eat are cows, chicken, turkey, pigs, squid, fish, and shark (even thought I don't like sea food that much).
Be happy that I don't eat other animals or hunt them (I hate hunting)
It doesn't matter which animals you kill. All animals want to live, and killing one animal instead of another doesn't spare any.
Instead of whinning about people eating meat, you should protect the animals that are in danger of extincion, or protest about people hunting just for fun.
First of all, eating animals is done for fun, for the pleasure of your tastebuds. You don't consume that milkshake, that cheese and those nuggets for survival. You do it for your enjoyment. So how is that different from people killing animals for fun? It is killing for fun.
Second, animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, because it's also the leading cause of deforestation, ocean deadzones, water pollution and habitat destruction. So if you are truly concerned about endangered species, it makes no sense for you to contribute to the leading cause of their extinction. Poachers and hunters are harmful to endangered species, but compared to the species wiped out by animal agriculture, they're saints.
Third, I am starting to believe that you're just ignorant about the harm animal agriculture causes to the planet, endangered species and animals. Please realize that vegans aren't vegan because they want to piss off animal killers, they're vegan for the planet, for endangered species, to help end world hunger and for the animals. Feel free to ask me more about it. But I still think the entire planet is more important that human greed.
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...you are an idiot.
Eat for fun? Really? How stupid can you be?
Also, your ancestors did the same thing, and you can't deny that.
You are a lot cause. Why can't you just be like other vegans that let other people eat whatever they want? You are giving them a bad name.
But keep whinning about people eating meat, you will just be the laughing stock
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1. Humans have no biological need for animal products. So killing animals to eat them is, in fact, killing them for enjoyment, as there are plenty of other things to eat in 1st world countries. Sorry, that's just how it is.
2. Our ancestors were primitive savages, not role models, and besides, the longer an act of violence has been going on for, the worse it makes it for the victim. Your ancestors did a lot of violent things in the past. However, that is no reason to still keep doing those things today and certainly not a justification (and that doesn't just apply to the violence they caused upon non-human animals, but also upon other humans).
3. I think you are mixing up being vegan with being plantbased. Veganism is not a diet. It's an ethical stance. As I said, if a choice has victims, people are going to defend those victims. And if it's a choice between human greed VS others their lives, the victims' choice takes priority to be defended.
4. Honestly, so far I've been politely replying to all of your arguments while you conveniently ignored all of my questions and resorted to mindless name-calling. So who is truly the laughing stock?
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1. Proteins.
2. They needed to survive. And so did your ancestor. And poeple will eat meat no matter what. You won't stop them.
3. Good to know that you are admitting that you are one of those whinning vegan.
4. At least I am not forcing anyone into eating what they don't want to eat.
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1. Protein: This nutrient is extremely easy to come across. If you are eating the correct RDA of total calories each day, then it is virtually impossible to be short of protein. Deficiency of protein is incredibly rare in modern society, and basically only affects people who are starving for whatever reason. It's not a concern for those who are eating a normal amount. The world health organization recommends between 5-10% of your daily calories to come from protein. So many common plant-based foods are in excess of that, many fall within that range, and only a few things like fruit fall slightly beneath. This really is not a concern for anybody.
2. Are you ignoring my argument? So you're really saying that violence is automatically justified if savages once did it? Do you support every violent habit once practiced by our savage ancestors? Or are you just cherry-picking their behaviour to suit your whims?
3. Are you ignoring this argument, too? Have you ever considered looking at it from your victim's perspective rather than just going "me me me"?
4. Even if somebody did start talking to you about veganism, is it really "forcing" their opinion on you? To simply say "please consider not stabbing animals" is a very reasonable suggestion, is it not? Nobody is in a position to "force" you to do anything, if you want to keep stabbing animals, I am not in a position to prevent you. Indeed, from a non-vegans perspective, your opinion is that animals should be stabbed in the neck. To me, that is a far more forceful application of an opinion than simply asking someone to re-evaluate their position on something politely.
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1. You never went to school, did you?
2. They needed to survive.
3. I feel sorry when I eat the animal...but they are delicious 
4. You ARE forcing other. Let people eat whatever they want to eat.
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1. Seriously?
2. They did a lot of violent things to survive, including harming each other. Thankfully we don't need to do any of that.
3. Harming someone else for one's own pleasure is morally reprehensible, and any good person knows that.
4. So are you going to let the animals live, then? Wouldn't want to force your choice on them, would you? Because that would prove your argument to be based on hypocrisy and double standards. :3
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2. Harming each others is not necessary anymore yes, but we still need to eat.
3. How can I harm already cooked food?
4. I just said let people eat whatever they want to eat. If people want to eat meant, good, if people want to eat vegetables, good, if people want to eat both, good! I am not forcing you to eat meat, just like you should NOT force me to eat just vegetables (I don't even like them at all).
Speaking of hypocrisy...you are a hypocrite. I mean, you are calling people who eat meat murderes...yet...
You are killing plants (plants have feelings too, you know), and you are stealing the animals' food. 
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2. What nutrient is found in meat that cannot be found elsewhere? And if we "need" meat, how come me and the hundreds of millions of vegans and vegetarians in the world are alive and amongst the longest living populations on earth?
3. Buying an animal product isn't a bad thing for the animal who is already dead—it's a bad thing for the animal who is now going to be killed as a result of the money you paid to that industry to kill them in order to replace that product on the shelf. Every time we pay for an animal product, we pay for another animal to be abused and murdered. Again, this is the reality of supply and demand. We vote with our wallet every time we buy an animal product, and say: "I support animal cruelty".
4. Yet you keep ignoring that you're the only one literally forcing your choice on others by forcing your animal victims to die for your choice. You're doing the exact opposite of what you're preaching. You can't say "live and let live" if you're forcing others to die.
Please explain how I'm a "hypocrite" and a "thief" for not killing animals out of greed? And when did I call you a murderer? I smell guilt here...
Do you realize that enslaving other beings and taking their babies, their bodies and literally their everything without consent is the epitome of being a "thief"? Not to mention that preaching "free choice" while denying your victims a choice from the moment they're born is the epitome of hypocrisy. Maybe you didn't realize, but your arguments are so full of irony, it's actually quite sad.
Plants have feelings
First of all, if you're really serious about this and no amount of scientific evidence will sway you - then it purely comes down to numbers. If a blade of grass is of the same importance to you as a dog, then it makes no sense to feed up livestock on millions and millions of plants, and then kill the animal to eat. This would result in far more plant casualties, which you'd surely want to avoid as a dedicated plants-rights activist. Better to minimize those plant casualties by just feeding yourself on them, rather than feeding many times more to animals, right? But let's be sensible - plants lack brains and lack anything else that neuroscientists know to cause sentience. Some studies show plants to have input/output reactions to certain stimulation, but no study suggests sentience or an ability to "feel emotions". You can plainly understand the difference between a blade of grass and a dog. Comparisons between the two are completely absurd.
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So...you're vegan because you want to live longer?
I really don't care if being vegan makes you live longer, because I don't want to live that long
Yes yes, I'm a murderer, just like you, by killing plant too
You are a thief because you are stealing cows and other animals food
Wow...you really never went to school, how sad.
So just because plants don't react it means that they have no feelings? 
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna eat some meat.
I'm done talking to a whinning vegan. And no, I won't stop eating meat, and people will never stop eating meat. Deal with it
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No, you aren't listening. I was asking you to explain how me and the millions of other vegans and vegetarians in the world are alive if you claim humans "need" meat?
I can't help it, it's delicious
I know why you eat it, as you have established. But because enjoyment is not a moral justification to harm other beings, I am not obliged to respect your violent choice. You're literally torturing and killing for pleasure, yet somehow expect people to respect that, which I find strange. And on top of that you keep trying to erase the victim in all this (which are the animals, not you)
You are a thief because you are stealing cows and other animals food
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... you (pay other people to) steal(1x) babies way from their mothers and slit their throat so you can steal(2x) the breast milk from their mother's nipples like some perv and then steal(3x) the baby's life, followed by stealing(4x) the mother's life as soon as her milk production declines? And also (pay people to) steal(x5) habitats and rainforests from wild animals, steal(x6) the lives of millions of wild animals in the process to make space to grow crops to fatten up cattle. That's a lot of theft, if you ask me. And unlike the mindless "vegans steal animals their food" joke, you are literally(!) responsible for stealing everything they have. Maybe you should stop and think before you comment, because again, the irony in your arguments is so astounding, it honestly sounds like satire.
people will never stop eating meat.
Not with that attitude. As expected you yet again couldn't reply to my argument about more plants being used for animal farming and animal agriculture being the leading cause of deforestation. Instead you keep claiming that Bulbasaur, Bellsprout and Oddish are real. No offense, but maybe you are the one who didn't go to school? I'm not sure why you try to convince people who care about animals and the planet that animal abuse and the planet's destruction is awesome, or that you demand us to stop defending and caring about them, but here's the thing: if a choice has victims, people are always going to speak up. Sorry, that's just how it is. I know it's inconvenient for oppressors like you, but us vegans respect your victim's choice to live and the planet's future more than your choice to harm them needlessly out of greed and selfishness. So no, we won't stop defending them justso you can feel better about harming them. I hope you understand that.
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Well no, I can't listen to you, because we are writting.
I said that people need proteins.
You act as if I am the only one who eats meat.
Oh yes I enjoy meat because I LOOOVE the meat and violence, yeah...or maybe because I'm hungry? And no, vegetables are not enough for me. And, like I said before, I don't like vegetables a lot.
I tried to be vegan onece because of how they kill the cows or pigs, but since I don't like vegetables I had no choice.
Then we are both thiefs, good to know that you recognize that you are also a thief.
And you think that screaming in restaurants will save the animals? People will do the opposite of what you want. Plus if everybody on earth was vegan, there would be no plants, no fruits, no trees and animals dying of hunger or disappearing because they have nowhere to live or eat.
I am not stoping to be vegan, just don't force anyone else to be vegan. Not everyone will think like you do, and forcing others to eat vegetales will just make people eat meat more.
And no, I won't understand you or other whinning vegans.
I will, however, understand other vegans who are not forcing me to eat just vegetables. And you are not one of those.
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No, you still aren't listening. Again: if people "need" meat, how come me and the hundreds of millions of vegans and vegetarians are still alive and amongst the longest living populations?
Also, I already explained you about protein, so in case you missed it, here it is again: Protein: This nutrient is extremely easy to come across. If you are eating the correct RDA of total calories each day, then it is virtually impossible to be short of protein. Deficiency of protein is incredibly rare in modern society, and basically only affects people who are starving for whatever reason. It's not a concern for those who are eating a normal amount. The world health organization recommends between 5-10% of your daily calories to come from protein. So many common plant-based foods are in excess of that, many fall within that range, and only a few things like fruit fall slightly beneath. This really is not a concern for anybody.
Oh yes I enjoy meat because I LOOOVE the meat and violence, yeah...or maybe because I'm hungry?
Hunger has nothing to do with it, as you have access to plenty of other foods in the supermarket. People eat animals because they enjoy the flavour of the dead body. Killing animals for pleasure is immoral, especially if it kills the planet in the process. And not killing animals doesn't even mean you have to miss out on taste. You can make or buy plantbased products with a similar flavour. A quick youtube search on "vegan chicken recipe" or "seitan recipe" does wonders.
Then we are both thiefs, good to know that you recognize that you are also a thief.
Vegans eat food produced for humans, so we're not stealing anything. Non-vegans eat food meant for baby animals, and steal the land of people of 3rd world countries to produce crops for cattle. Non-vegan pretty much defines thief, if you think about it.
And you think that screaming in restaurants will save the animals? People will do the opposite of what you want.
I'm not screaming in restaurants, am I? I am just replying to your comment and try to educate people about the impact their choices has on other beings and the planet.
Plus if everybody on earth was vegan, there would be no plants, no fruits, no trees and animals dying of hunger or disappearing because they have nowhere to live or eat.
Over 50 billion animals are raised for slaughter each year. In order to feed them, it takes far more land, water and crops to feed them than it does to just feed us 7 billion humans on plants. The number of animals being farmed is unsustainable in fact, causing all kinds of pollution as a result of their manure and the greenhouse gases released, which is more harmful than all traffic pollution combined. Disagree with me? Please feel free to research it, but it's by definition going to require additional farming, space, resources, water...! It's why animal agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction and (as a result) food and water shortages in 3rd world countries, you see. So if you really care about those issues and starving people (and are not just pretending to for the sake of winning an argument) it makes no sense for you to eat meat.
I am not stoping to be vegan, just don't force anyone else to be vegan. Not everyone will think like you do, and forcing others to eat vegetales will just make people eat meat more.
There is not an ideology on this earth more forceful than non-veganism. Not one. Those who eat meat, cheese, and eggs, who wear leather and wool, and so on, force their beliefs on others to such an unimaginable extent that others actually die for their beliefs (by the hundreds of billion per year)—how forceful is that! Also, even if somebody did start talking to you about veganism, is it really "forcing" their opinion on you? To simply say "please consider not stabbing animals" is a very reasonable suggestion, is it not? Nobody is in a position to "force" you to do anything, if you want to keep stabbing animals, I am not in a position to prevent you. Indeed, from a non-vegans perspective, your opinion is that animals should be stabbed in the neck. To me, that is a far more forceful application of an opinion than simply asking someone to re-evaluate their position on something politely. Once again you are erasing the victim in all this. Please realize that by using your reasoning, all forms of violence can be justified when used consistently, and no one should ever be against violence because that's "forcing your choice on the perpatrator". It's not. It's the exact opposite: telling the perpatrator to stop forcing their choice on their victims.
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Who cares if vegans live longer? Cause I don't care.
No concern? Are you this stupid?
Again, a salad is not enough for me. Let me tell you a story. Someone actually force to eat vegetables, you know what happened? I puked, and almost got me sick.
Educate? More like annoying people.
Eating vegetables won't save animals.
How am I forcing others to eat meat? Just by eating meat in front of them? You must be joking.
Just go and keep whinning to a Mcdonalds, nobody will listen to a lunatic.
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Who cares if vegans live longer? Cause I don't care. No concern? Are you this stupid?
You keep contradicting your own arguments. First you say that we "need" meat to survive, and when I ask you how me and the longest living populations (which are meat free) are still alive, you suddenly rant about how you don't care about your health. Which is it?
Again, a salad is not enough for me. Let me tell you a story. Someone actually force to eat vegetables, you know what happened? I puked, and almost got me sick.
Why do you assume vegans only eat salad? Did you even read the part I wrote about making alternatives for your favourite meat products? If you don't like a specific type of vegetable, eat something else. There are over 80,000 edible plants in the world. Please stop acting as if you soley live on dead animal flesh and don't eat anything else.
How am I forcing others to eat meat? Just by eating meat in front of them? You must be joking.
You are forcing animals to die for you. But just fyi: you are forcing others to eat meat. You see, cows and other herbivores on farms are often force-fed other animals and members of their own species because it's cheaper and therefore processed into their feed. So not only do you force these animals to die for you, you literally force meat down their thoats, too. You can keep playing dumb, but the fact of the matter is that you force your choice on your victims and vegans are doing the opposite by telling you to stop forcing your choice on your victims.
Eating vegetables won't save animals.
If all people switched to eating plantbased, the leading cause of ocean deadzones, greenhouse gas emmissions, habitat destruction, deforestation, world hunger, water pollution would cease to exist (which is animal agriculture). And on top of that over 60 billion animals their lives would be spared every single year, and trillions of marine lives. So please tell me, :devAllyWolffy98: how that will not spare trillions of animals (and humans!) their lives on a yearly basis?
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Protein! People need PROTEIN! I do care about my health, I just don't care about living that long.
Right, I could eat something else, like meat
Well I didn't know that eating in a restaurant full of people eating meat counts as forcing others to eat meat. And yeah is murder...tasty tasty murder.
I actually used to eat soy meat, and yes, it was delicious too, but we couldn't buy more. Why? because it was WAY too expensive, and the market stopped selling soy meat, not only because of how expensive it was, but because people prefer to eat animal meat. (At least in the city I live)
Nope, you are just destroying their home
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What part of "there's protein in plants" did you not understand? And did you also miss the part where I explained you can make your own plantbased meats? A plant-based diet can be as affordable as you need it to be. Common staples like bread, rice, pasta, beans, oats, vegetables are all going to be affordable. I have known people personally who have been made homeless who subsequently had to live in accommodation, who continued to be vegan. Indeed, many animal products are expensive. Some might say that vegan substitute meats etc are expensive - and while that can sometimes be true, they are entirely unnecessary for a healthy diet. If you want specific advice, please contact me, or any other vegan group for tips on cheap vegan food, but yes, you can do it!
So you openly admitted that you kill animals out of selfishness for taste pleasure and that you lack empathy. You could have said that from the start rather than pulling 100 excuses to justify animal abuse and the leading cause of environmental destruction, you know? So since vegans care about your victims and the planet, maybe you can understand why we defend them rather than your choice to harm them? If you want help, I’ll try to help. If you want to defend animal abuse, I’ll defend the animals. Its pretty simple. I know I might come across like a jerk sometimes but people who know me face to face I’m sure would tell you that I’m a down to earth, easy going person. But if you want to tell me that suffocating baby chicks is okay, or stabbing a pig in the neck is great, then yeah, you will run into problems, internet or not.
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Some plants have proteins, yes, but not enough. And no thanks, I don't want to contact with other crazy vegans like you. Especially when they make all meat eaters as evil persons. Or draws them as psychos.
You act as if I am the only one who eats meat. And the whole "tasty murder" was a joke 
I do care about my plant, that's why recycle and reuse what can or is still useful 
You can defend the animals, but the way you are defending them won't help at all.
But let's pretend that everyone becomes vegans. What will happens to the restaurants that served only meat? won't they loose the only job they had? what if they can't find a new one?
What about the farmers? they need to eat too, and no, eating vegtables won't be enough because they also need to feed their animals too. They won't have anything to eat.
Do you really want to disrupt business just so everyone becomes vegan?
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You seem awfully ignorant about nutrition. Or should I call it willful ignorance, as you keep contradicting yourself by first denying the existence of me and the hundreds of millions of other vegans in the world because "pwotein", followed by saying that you don't care about living long and healthy like us.
The whole world is unlikely to ever be free from racism, homophobia or sexism, but that's no reason for you personally to practice it. All anybody can do is take responsibility for themselves. The fact that other people are doing something that you consider to be unethical, isn't a reason for you to copy them. Just because a product is available for purchase does not make everybody obliged to buy it. This argument becomes clearly absurd when you apply it to anything else - if you stop smoking, you'll be putting people out of jobs in the cigarette industry, so everyone has to smoke. Or, if you stop drinking alcohol, you'll be putting people out of jobs in the alcohol industry, so you have to drink. It makes no sense at all. Industries exist to meet a demand, and to make money from people. If people don't want those products, then that's not their fault, consumers are not obliged to buy everything on offer and fund every single industry out there. If consumers' money is not being spent on one item, it's being spent on another, which means there will be greater demand elsewhere, so the industries change over time to accommodate what consumers want. It doesn't mean job loss in the first place.
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Where did I say that I deny your existence? I said that yes, plants DO HAVE protein, but not enough, but still has proteins enough to survive. Also, I see that you ignored what I said about you drawing meat eaters as just psychos. I can do the same thing with the vegans by drawing them whinning on restaurtans or forcing others to become vega, but I won't cause I know that there are vegans that respect others who eat meat.
So you don't care what happens to them? You just want to ruin their life for not being vegan?
You don't care that I recycle or reuse things that are still useful. Here where I live, we save as many turtles as we can, we clean the beach so no more sea animals die from eating plastic.
We care about animals who are in danger of extinction.
What about you? Do you really care about all the animals in the world, or just cows, chickens, and pigs?
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By saying that humans need meat and plants don't have enough protein, you're saying that I don't exist, because I don't eat meat. And the same applies to the hundreds of millions of vegans and vegetarians in the world, including the longest living populations on earth. So maybe your theory about plant protein is a bit ignorant? Also, when did I say that I didn't respect you? I respect you as a person, but as someone who cares about animals and the planet, I cannot respect your choice to torture and kill them for your greed. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand for you. It's just common sense. You can't expect people who care about a group of victims to respect your choice to enslave and kill those victims. By expecting them to, you only show that you don't even know what respect means.
Also, doing good things doesn't justify harming others. Saying that you help clean plastic off the beach doesn't justify you (paying to) sexually exploit, torture and kill other animals. And if yo care about endangered species, please know that animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction. So are you going to stop contributing to the leading cause of species extinction? Or is your concern about endangered species just pretence?
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Omg, you are just stupid. I don't know where you got that stupid logic.
"I respect you as a person, but as someone who cares about animals and the planet, I cannot respect your choice to torture and kill them for your greed." how is that respect? can't you just shut up and let me eat whatever the fuck I want? You are killing plants, stealing the animal's food, and stealing oxygen, and nobody is complaining about that.
And again, you just ignored the part where I said about drawing meat lovers as pyschopaths, since, for some reasons, you see us like that.
Thanks for admitting that you want to ruin farmers lives just because they are not vegan and because of their job. And thanks for admitting that you only care about cows, chickens, and pigs, and you don't care about other animals.
Oh, we are not only cleaning beaches, we also clean the green areas and protect trees so birds can live there in peace. Again, I don't see you doing that, I only see you whinning about people eating meat. You are not cleaning green areas, you are not protecting or planting trees, you are not making sure that the baby turtles go safetly to the water...do you do any of those stuff? no? then shut up. Also, here you get in trouble for hunting or fishing without permition or fishing in excessive.
The fuck are you talking about sexually exploit? have you lost your mind?...o wait, yes you have, you are a crazy vegan.
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If someone is harming innocents, people are going to speak up for the victim, not the perpatrator. Sorry, that's just how it is. The same applies to the fact that female animals on factory farms are restrained and forcibly impregnated by humans over and over and over again. That is sexual exploitation, and once their body can't take it anymore, they're killed and discarded. And who is paying for that to happen? Vegans? Or non-vegans? Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction AND global deforestation AND the killing of baby turtles (due to the fact they're also the leading cause of ocean deadzones and overfishing), so who is truly the one not caring about other animals by supporting it? You keep pulling argument after argument about issues you claim to care about, yet when you discover that it's animal agriculture that causes these issues, you suddenly stop caring "because bacon". What does that say about you?
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Damn, it really took you this long to come back another pathetic excuse? How sad.
Again, you avoid everything I just said, and I'm still not surprised.
You still think that non-vegans are the cruelest people in the world and vegans are innocent people, sadly you are not.
If you think that vegans are saving the animals, think again.
To grow soybeans, large of forest are deforested, many birds and other animals lose their homes and their lives in the process. During the harvest of wheat, birds, mice, snakes and other animals die when trapped in mowing machines. In addition, a large number of insects, snails and other invertebrates die during the fumigation of vegtables. And all so you can enjoy your vegan food, "free of animal suffering"
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Yes, I'm sorry. I simply have a busy life and can't be on the interwebz replying to you every day. Some people have jobs, you know.
Ok, then prove me wrong about your concern form rainforests not pretentious: did you know that the reason why soybeans cause so much deforestation is due to the fact that 85% of those soybeans are used as cattle feed? And that if cattle farming ended, forests wouldn't be cut and more forests could grow back because we don't need as much land to produce food for just 7.5 billion humans VS 60 billion animals? And that it would recude crop production to the minimum, including the tractor deaths you claim to be concerned about?
So now that you know that this (again) is caused by the meat industry, are you going to stop eating meat now to protect the rainforests and animals? Or was your concern for them really just pretentious for the sake of winning an argument?
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I go to school and have a job, but I still have time to answer questions. Even if it's a small time.
Thanks once again for admitting that you don't care about other animals and nature. Millions of animals' homes are destroyed so you can have your vegan food and you don't care, yeah, I can totally see your love for the animals, so much that you destroy their homes.
You know what will happen if you free farm animals? No? Then let me tell you what happens...they die. Other animals will kill them, and no farmer will protect them. Is that what you want? I mean, in the end, they will die anyway, either killed by a farmer or killed by another animal.
You know how else we can protect animals and rainforest? Clean the rivers, pick up the plastic bags, recycle, and stop throwing trash to the streets.
Again, being vegan won't save the animals, cause you are killing them as well.
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The suggestion is that vegans want all domesticated animals to be released into the wild. But that's not what anybody is suggesting. You can't do that practically because those animals are domesticated, and are not natural breeds, they were selectively bred. So it would be releasing billions of animals into eco systems which would cause so many unknown problems. What vegans want is for animals to stop being bred. It isn't a question of - either they get eaten by wild animals, or by us. We don't need to be breeding them at all.
Recycling, picking up plastic from the ground and not throwing trash around are all good for the environment and no one suggests that you should stop doing those things. The point is that animal agriculture is the leading cause of environmental destruction, so if one truly cares about the environment, it makes no sense to support it. Two wrongs don't make a right. Picking up plastic while eating meat is like cleaning up a soda can from the ocean while throwing tonnes of oil into the sea.
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In the end other animals die just so you can have your vegan food
If they stop breeding, then no more cows or pigs or chickens in the future. Now, if you mean forcing animals to breed then yeah, it's horrible, however, not all farmers do that. Not all farmers kill them in a horrible way. You you think that farmers are monsters then you are an idiot.
And deforesting forest so you can have your vegan food is okay? Ruining jobs is also okay?
Let people eat whatever the fuck they want. You don't like it? Too bad, life will not how you want. Not everyone will be vegan. Deal. With. It.
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"If everyone went vegan, livestock would go extinct"
Livestock animals have been selectively bred by humans to be of profit to us. They suffer all kinds of health problems because they are bred to be much bigger than their natural ancestors. Continuing to breed them serves no purpose, even if everybody was vegan there would be no logical reason to keep breeding these animals, knowing they will suffer health problems due to the manner of their selective breeding. But even if you disagree with that, and if you really think there should be these selectively bred species for whatever reason - that is no reason to also slit their throats. There are endangered species right now like pandas, tigers, rhinos and so on. Slitting their throats is no part of their conservation, and to suggest doing so would be ridiculous.
"You're putting people out of jobs because of the effect on the industry"
Just because a product is available for purchase does not make everybody obliged to buy it. This argument becomes clearly absurd when you apply it to anything else - if you stop smoking, you'll be putting people out of jobs in the cigarette industry, so everyone has to smoke. Or, if you stop drinking alcohol, you'll be putting people out of jobs in the alcohol industry, so you have to drink. It makes no sense at all. Industries exist to meet a demand, and to make money from people. If people don't want those products, then that's not their fault, consumers are not obliged to buy everything on offer and fund every single industry out there. If consumers' money is not being spent on one item, it's being spent on another, which means there will be greater demand elsewhere, so the industries change over time to accommodate what consumers want. It doesn't mean job loss in the first place.
"Let people kill who they want"
Nah, I'll keep defending victims of violence. Deal with it.
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The difference is that some poeple kill for sports, and others for surviving.
Yet you only care for cows, chickens, and pigs.
In other words, you want to ruin farmers job and lives just because they are not vegan.
Well how hypocrite of you to say that, considering the fact that many animals die just so you can enjoy your vegan food.
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I have already stated my arguments about those subjects and I have nothing more to add on that part. But you didn't even bother reading what I wrote, clearly, you never have during this entire conversation. Sorry to see that you are so delusional. Oh, well. While you keep playing dumb, I will keep speaking out against animal abuse. Have a nice day.
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In other words, you didn't know what else to say.
Well at least I know that you are a hypocrite and that you don't care about animals at all.
Oh I will have a good day while I eat a steak. Keep dreaming about everyone becoming vegan. Cause that will never happen.
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As I said, I have already replied to each and every one of your arguments, so if you want to hear my views on them again, I suggest you scroll back.
"The whole world will never be vegan".
The whole world is unlikely to ever be free from racism, homophobia or sexism, but that's no reason for you personally to practice it. All anybody can do is take responsibility for themselves. The fact that other people are doing something that you consider to be unethical, isn't a reason for you to copy them.
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I will, but only to laugh at you hypocrisy.
Oh, but should I copy you? No thanks. Being vegan does not make you a better person, especially when you go around whinning and screaming "BAWWW IT'S NOT FOOD! IT'S VIOLEEEENCE!!11".
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I'm not saying that I'm a better person than you. But not killing innocents is better than killing innocents, right?
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I agree that they are innocents, all animals are innocents, and I know that it is horrible the way they kill them, but I also know that there are more painless ways to kill them. Yes, it is still horrible, but there's nothing what we can do at all. I really want to soy meat, but it is expensive and hard to find (at least where I live).
Plus, I don't like vegetables at all. Is there other way?
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Everybody is responsible for what they are personally doing. The way for numbers to rise is for individuals to take accountability one by one. If you want for there to be multiple vegans to make a difference, then become one. There are hundreds of millions of vegans in the world, so we are not just one person. In the UK, 12% of people are vegetarian or vegan. If you look at the age range of 16-24, that ratio rises to 20%. It is completely worthwhile to do this and we are having an effect on the industries. Imagine if everyone who is vegetarian/vegan started buying animal products again - that would be a giant increase in demand. As such, we are keeping demand down by continuing to avoid animal products.
The words 'humane' and 'slaughter' put together, are what is known in the English language as an oxymoron, i.e. 2 words that contradict each other when put together. To use the term 'humane slaughter' is as nonsensical as to say 'humane rape', 'humane slavery', or 'humane holocaust'—regarding the latter point, some synonyms for 'slaughter' in the dictionary are 'bloodbath', 'massacre', and 'holocaust'... given that it does not make sense to use the term humane for any of those 3 words, neither can it make sense to say it for the word those synonyms derive from. Ask yourself this question: is there a nice way to kill someone who doesn't want to die? Given that animals want to live, and value their lives as we value ours, there is no nice way to kill them. In any case, anyone looking at the methods we use to kill farmed animals can see for themselves that it's not 'humane'. Whether the animal is stunned with a bolt gun or prongs , or whether it's by gas chamber , or whether they are killed via the Halal/Schechita method , these are not exactly methods we would use to euthanise even someone who did want to die.
If you'd like to avoid animal cruelty, but can't afford to buy the luxury products, I suggest you make them yourself from scratch. I do ever since I left my parents' home because I was still a student with little money. Although fake-meats aren't nessecary for optimal health, I liked the taste of meat, so I loved having them around. I often made a stock I put in the freezer, so I had plenty for weeks. A good place for recipes is Youtube; try different ones to discover which ones you like and don't like. A search like "vegan chicken recipe" can do wonders: www.youtube.com/results?search… Of course there are plenty of other recipe sites you can look up. I will also share a bunch of vegan recipes for making vegan cheese, vegan meat and vegan milks from scratch, so feel free to stick around on my page if you'd like to see them. Good luck!
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The thing is I don't think I can change at all. I love animals, but I've grown with that style, and for me to change it just like that seems difficult.
Something about me is this: I don't like when someone eats rabbit, or deer, or other animal, but I'm okay if someone it's cows, pigs, or other farm animals.
But maybe we can agree on something, like...taxidermy is just digusting and wrong.
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What exactly is stopping you from not harming animals, if I may ask? You say that you can't, but we both know you can make different choices, unlike the animals in the slaughterhouse. They don't have a choice, we do. Do what's stopping you?
The reason why you don't like seeing specific animals killed, but are fine with killing others is cultural indoctrination. Our culture teaches us this, just like how other cultures teach other forms of violence towards certain animals or humans. But is killing one animal really worse than the other? They all are animals who have feelings, emotions and want to live, are they not? I used to be against people killing rabbits, but was fine with people killing pigs. Until I thought about it. It is quite hypocitical. Why do we discriminate against animals based upon what they look like? If we come across a dog that isn't cute, are we compelled to slit their throat? If someone doesn't find your dog cute, is it okay for them to slit their throat?
Of course taxidermy is gross and disgusting. I will never understand why people kill animals for the enjoyment of making a statue of them. But how are we better if we kill (or pay others to kill) animals for another form of pleasure? This is a question I asked myself 9 years ago back when I still ate meat. And I couldn't find an answer. We are actually worse, because animal agriculture is the leading cause of most environmental ills.
Maybe you're still young, but I hope you do more research about what we do to animals and the planet out of greed. Hopefully you will consider to stop funding animal abuse in the future.
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Because I've been eating meat far too long...and pizza...and boneless with hot sauce. But especially pizza. And also chocolate milk, and chocolate in general.
It is hypocritical, yes, all of us are hypocrites. Why feel bad for one, but not for the other? I've been questioning myself that for many years.
Killing animals for sports is also very wrong. I really don't get the fun of killing an animal just so they can prove that they are better. Hunting should be prohibited.
I'm 20, so no, I'm not that young. I really can't promise to go full vegan, maybe vegetarian. Maybe I can try to eat less meat, and try to find other solution. Just remember that I don't like vegetables at all, I prefer fruits.
Is it okay to consume soy meat?
What about tofu? I heard that it tastes like nothing.
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