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yggnomial β You're Really Not
Published: 2011-07-07 06:17:56 +0000 UTC; Views: 1758; Favourites: 68; Downloads: 15
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Making a habit of finding bad or rage-inducing fan-art and -fics makes you bitter and hate the Internet. So to fix that, you make stamps about it! In case of trolls and flames (because I'm obviously such an amazing and popular person that people will see this), explaining everything here.-Bases: If you didn't draw it, it's not art. If it wasn't an official collab that someone made new material specifically for your piece, it's not art. I don't care if it does or doesn't include hair, clothing, a face, color, or anything else that goes on a base. Draw it for yourself.
To base-makers, I don't care if you make your own stuff and allow people to abuse it. But that's rare. What does annoy me is those of you who trace around and crop an anime character and line-art it into an "original base." Almost every base is made from anime and abused by weeaboos everywhere. So stop that =T
Another note, because this is really bothering me tonight. If you're going onto an MMO avatar creator, the pre-rendered clothing and hair on Sims, and/or Gaia and Maple Story avatar creators...no. You need art other than something a legit digital artist worked hard on so that you can explore Archosaur looking however you want. Not to mention how much more limited that is.
-Color-overs: Worse than bases? Probably. Not only you didn't draw it, you didn't even add anything to it. Taking a screenshot from your favorite anime and making it into a different character isn't an "original character." In fact, it makes in even more obvious that your "original character" is only a clone of an established canon character. (I don't care what you tell me, it's a rip-off, an expy, and/or a clone)
-Tracing: "But Ms. Yggnomial, I haven't traced since the second grade. Surely people on deviantart are too old to do something so juvenile and dumb." But if this was true, would I have put this in the stamp? Sadly, some people think that tracing is still an "art style." I'm not going to justify this unless you legitimately start flaming me because you think it should count as art. Because seriously. It's tracing.
-Cell phone cameras used as professional photography: It's not on this stamp, but I couldn't put this here because I'm not a photographer and can't justify this as personally offensive. It's enough of a problem that it still deserves a mention. I don't care if that iPhone has an HD lens, nor do I care if you have a $200 camera with a lanyard strap. Pictures of you in the mirror, your friends at the grocery store, and your pets in the backyard are not professional. Not unless you have a legitimate setup for this. Because when it comes to something formal, people are more likely to hire the professional adult with tons of equipment over the professional preteen with an Android.
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Mai Opinion:
I kinda agree with this stamp. But i use base sometimes when i want too. i use base when i am aΒ beginner then im using bases sometimes now when i was 11 (i joined dA when i was 11. But im 14 now). Bases is ok for me just make sure people credit the base maker or the original artist. i only don't like about people using the bases when they steal or sell the base without any permission. people can be creative when they use the base.
sorry bad english..
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I agree
Although I use bases
But that's because I can't draw myself
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It depends how you use the base for it to be considered art. For example, I often use bases as a reference for certain images, for practicing anatomy. Not only that, but a lot of people make bases into something extremely creative, design-wise anyway.Β
Don't agree with the whole cellphone photograph thing. I don't think dA really cares, either.Β
I agree with everything else, but I really don't care if people trace on here, as it isn't really against the rules and I may as well face it, but a lot of us used to trace anyway. I still trace for shading practice; though I never upload those particular images.
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I agree with the stamp even though I do use bases myself. But bases are usually used to help get ideas or for fun. That's what my friends and I use them for...
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In MY OPINION: I agree with the stamp. Mostly. But the bases part... Just because someone uses a base for something does not mean they're not an artist. They have bases for a reason: For artists that aren't as great to use them. They still come up with their own design and all. I consider that an artist. (as long as they don't steal a design) Please remember, this is just me stating my own opinion. I'm not saying you have to agree.
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I hate tracing with a passion. And I absolutely loathe bases. I agree with that.
And I also hate using references. It feels like I'm copying. But also. Many of my OCs act and look suspiciously alike. Most notably Piwi's uncanny similarity to Shout from Bomberman Jetters. I never really noticed it before. And the fact they both are generally hot-headed and torment a certain someone urks me to no end.
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I doubt people such as base-users/makers really care what you think. So shut up.
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No need to be rude. If you can't respect the individual's opinion (which I support, because this stamp is true as well as the logical description provided), then you can very well say nothing- in short, shut your trap.
Sure, the base-users and makers might not care, but you can't say that unless you really are one of them. Even so, you can't speak for them.
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OK. But I did, and it's over now.
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Okay, I'm not trying to be a spoiler here, but you actually used a stamp base to make this. So I think your basically saying you're not an artist either. No offense.
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i have to disagree :C bases are a part of deviantart, same with people who use bases, just case someone uses bases doesn't mean they aren't one.
I know lots of artist that start and still use bases from time to time
bases are like training wheels. you start slowly with training wheels and slowly get better and better
thats why i use bases they made me the artist i am, i can draw i just dont post alot of my drawings case i still have little faith in my skills...
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I agree. 
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i feel really bad know lots of people tell me that my art is awesome i feel like i wasted all those hours making my art thx a lot
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From looking at this straight away you obviously don't like to give ppl freedom to do what they want with art. Whatever ppl chose to do with art isn't always such a bad thing.
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thank you for noticing thank you for that beatiful sentance
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I wish I'd checked my inbox a long time ago. The base/recolor/whatever in your avatar makes this comment absolutely perfect.
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I trace, but only my OWN traditional art that I think could look a little better when digitalized.
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Yeah, I was unclear on that in the stamp. I don't see that as any different from running an inking pen over traditional art. Personally I don't even see it so much tracing as it is making the digital line-art, so...yeah =3 The tracing I'm talking about is using someone else's material, and claiming it as "art," even if you gave credit. Saying "it's not mine" isn't a free pass from copyright law.
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tracing, yes. recolors, yes. bases? notrly.
there are tons of great artists out there who make beautiful things on pixel bases. granted half of the 'bases' out there are shitty anime-trace bases, but those who are actually creative make their own. and then, there are the lazy people who just wanna design clothes, not a body.
but hey. your opinion is your opinion. I just don't think it's right for you to decide who is and who isn't an artist based on such a black-and-white opinion.
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I wish I could fave this comment.
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No, I did put in the description that the base-makers I'm against are purely those tracing over anime. I have nothing against people who draw an original thing, and if they want their base to be used, that's up to them. Same as people who draw original pictures as reference art and directly state not to make a base out of it, it's up to them, and I'm not against anything as long as they drew it.
Clothing design I have no opinion on, as I'm not a clothing designer. I'm just going to go with as long as the clothes were 100% your own design, the at" there is "the clothing is the focus of the art, not the mannequin." But I have seen people using bases that have clothing already drawn on (again, mostly anime tracing), and the "art design" there is recoloring the clothing. Pretty sure clothing designers don't accept that one.
But seriously, there's a lot in here, description and comments, defining how hard it is to keep this as grey as possible. A stamp is a tiny 100x55 pixel image that's hard to fit a complicated message onto, and this isn't the only stamp with this problem. Heck, look at anything controversial, and you'll probably find an essay in the description explaining the stance. It's why we have descriptions.
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Don't agree. Art comes in several forms not just the perfect digital/traditional sketch.
I see bases as "digital art training wheels". Now me, my mom hates it when I most my trad. art on the computer, so I rarely can do that. And I fail at drawing people as a digi artist so I don't see a problem.
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"Art" and "practice" are two totally different things. If you want to get good enough at drawing to be considered an original artist, rather than someone who adds features to a pre-made drawing, then you need to actually draw. Note that I never said anything about "art" having to be perfect and detailed. Only that using others' work doesn't count, no matter how good or bad.
Not to mention, adding features to a body doesn't help you draw bodies at all. Seriously, the only way to learn to draw better is to actually draw. Especially since it's becoming rare to find bases that don't come with eyes and mouth already drawn. When someone shows me how adding hair and clothes that look nothing like the style of a pre-made body and face makes you improve at drawing a full human in different poses, I might be convinced. But until then, it's not original.
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Well I could sit here and go on and say that after a post it, I go over it in MS-Paint with the neon-green, high-lighting the jaws, head-size, ect. to get a feel for it. But, sadly, you'll still say "NOT PRACTICE."
So.... what-ever.
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If you make an animation it is really difficult without using bases or tracing to every frame. Of course it is polite to draw your own base an copy it to every frame. Also many people does think that rotoscope animation is also art, even it is full of tracing.
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Both things you've said are something that are too hard to cover with something as vague as this stamp. I'm no expert animator, so I can't pretend to know all about making amazing action-filled scenes from scratch. What I do know is that animating is harder than drawing. So say if you want to be known as a great Flash artist or something, you should be able to animate your own things in Flash, which does mean more work than being good and still images. Someone like Don Bluth wouldn't be famous if he found someone on the front page of DA and just copied their work down. (Unless by that you mean a .gif file though, since I don't think Flash requires you to recreate every individual frame, but I don't think most people animate with gifs.)
Rotoscoping...I'll be honest, that never crossed my mind making this. Like I said, it's too hard to be specific with things this vague, and I can't exactly pass that off by saying, "Well that's different." I'd say the biggest difference in that is that it's not traced as a direct image, rather using it as a direct reference to move it to a wholly different medium. The tracing one though was more directed at still images of animated art to animated art without changing anything aside from hair length or shirt sleeves, rather than something like that.
To be honest, this was 95% based on my ragings about kids who trace directly over anime, and/or those who trace over artists on DA who have an anime-based style. Not so much a complaint about the animation industry or comics. And sorry if I'm overloading you with this, when it possibly could have been confined to that last line. I'm trying to be as clear about this stance as possible, rather than sound like I'm totally shoving your comment aside.
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I read your comment box and I understand your point, but I was writing about the message at your stamp. Now it is possible that the persons that sees this stamp at someone's stamp collection thinks that the users of this stamp are against all tracing and using bases, including making animations. Many people don't read the comment boxes of every stamp that they see. I have seen similar stamps like this at deviantART and there has been always some animation makers that disagree the message at the stamp, even they agree with the text at the comment box.
But I don't know how to make a better text to a stamp about this topic. I have also noticed that sometimes it is really difficult to explain something properly in a stamp. And sometimes it is not difficult to change the message a little bit and make a better stamp.
For example: One girl made a some time ago a stamp 'xylitol kills', and in the comment box she said that xylitol is poison for dogs but not for people. Many people wanted that person to change the text at the stamp 'xylitol kills dogs', but she never changed the text. So if someone does not want that people give xylitol to dogs and they use 'xylitol kills' stamp at their deviantART profile, it is possible that most of the people think that person is quite stupid because (s)he thinks that xylitol is toxic for people.
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I noticed that's incredibly common in stamps that are more than something simple, such as "I like pie" or "I hate Final Fantasy XIII." Anything past that leads to confusion usually. I discussed it with some other people, and we couldn't figure out how to make it more explained, yet still stamp-simple. We decided that the description would explain everything, and like other stamps, those willing to use it should know it's sketchy ground pasting it on their stamp wall.
Not reading the description is something that happens on all deviations, and all sites. I mean, how often do you see a Youtube video that has the song and artist in the description, yet commenters still ask what song it is? I don't have a solution for that either though, since several people will accuse even a three-sentence post of being too long to read. I knew when I posted it I'd be getting questions and some people would possibly be mad at me. In fact, some people I'm related to didn't like this, because their "original character designs" are made purely from recoloring or tracing anime, yet they consider themselves serious artists. (And there's no making that stance a gray area, I do have a problem with that and calling it "improvement on your own style.") Other than that...I don't have much to say. It's like many other stamps, not having enough room to define everything, probably gonna upset some people, but when it gets down to it, I find it interesting seeing the reactions to stuff like this.
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i do not agree with this. just because some people need a base doesnt mean that they arent good artists. maybe they just arent good with digital art.
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then get better at digital art? making excuses because you believe you are poor in a skill does no good and you won't improve that way. if you want to pursue that skill you won't get anywhere whining about sucking at it and using bases rather than practicing. :/
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thats HOW they get better
bases are like training wheels is a way to start and from there you can slowly get better by keeping drawing the things bases need clothes, hair, shading and anything else
soon or later base user get better and start drawing on there own but intil then they keep practicing on those bases
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wait. are we talking about people who only use bases? cause i barely ever use them.
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it wasn't specifically directed to you per say, just towards the people you were excusing. (er, if that makes sense? 
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well, i use them when im lazy. but if you look at my gallery, you can see that i dont use bases often. but i was talking about me when i said not good at digital art xD
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awe well you shouldn't be lazy with art!! there are so many possibilities with it ;o; literally!
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ok. but im working on a base right now that will go rly rly rly well with a story im writing. so if it goes well im gonna take advantage of that. btw, awesome avatar
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oh well :/ i just hope youre practicing drawing on your own as well! that helps the most
& hehe thank you i made it 'u' i love dr. pepper
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dr. pepper rocks. but i can draw on my own. its just these people draw the people in a way i never wouldve thought of so i use that as an advantage. but i actually rly try when im editing bases
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I can agree with most of this.
Tracing off of other people's art work is wrong. Though, tracing is a technique that many artists have used.
The very last part is what gets me. I do the best I can with the equipment I have, and that means using the camera off my android. Sometimes I will take a picture over and over again just to get it right. Sure it might not be professional, but as long as I put effort into my photography it is art (I know you didn't say it wasn't art, but I felt that is what you were getting at.) . I mean not everyone can afford a professional camera, and owning a professional doesn't make you professional if you don't know how to use it. That is my opinion.
Oh and some of my pictures taken with my android camera have gotten into the newspaper. ^.^ so....
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Like I said, photography isn't a personal thing for me, so it's hard to be clear in what I say. Mostly, this was a dig at my little sister, who spends hours with her iPhone taking pictures of herself and thinks that makes her a professional because her Facebook friends like them XD
In a more...valid point, I guess, yes you are right. Something like this is really hard to say without generalizing too much. There's a difference between effort and just having fancy things. I'd actually discussed this exact problem with a friend before posting this, about colored pencils and art programs rather than cameras, but I'd forgotten to put in it like the idiot I am. (It's too common for kids to get Photoshop or very expensive pencils and still trace or use bases, but there is great MS Paint and Crayola pencil art by people who are skilled.) Summarized, sorry if I offended you over something I completely left out, I'd thought I'd had everything up in the description.
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Oh okay. If you didn't put it in there I get it now. Sorry for getting a little offended, but now I know. I just thought I would mention it. ^.^
And facebook? I can understand. Facebook is made up of friends and family who don't want to hurt your feelings. So they can't really be a credible source. I wonder what would happen if she put those photos here. XD
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Nah, that's fine, was my mistake, so I'm glad it was resolved cleanly =3 I don't mind a flame war here and there (I like hearing complaints by people who validate tracing), but I don't want to start something over an actual valid point XD
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I'm glad it was too. I try to be understanding. (that doesn't mean i am all the time.) Flame wars can be good when they are back up by valid opinions. (maybe some facts too) And, 
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Yeah, about the expensive tools vs effort and stuff. It's not something you had to change my mind on, but it's still valid =3 So yay.
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