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The rest of my family is Catholic and they all support it too. Besides, just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I have to shut out new and beneficial ideas and opinions and that I can't learn from life experience.Related content
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You are replying to a comment that was made weeks ago. What if this was something I wanted to drop?
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And? Not everyone wants kids. Lgbt right wing people and their supporters are the nicest people I've meet. And didnt the bible says "love thy neighbor"?
Fact: Jesus never had kids and never he got married. He never taught people to hate on gay people. He taught to respect everybody.
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But Saint Paul himself spoke out against homosexuality as a Christian. Loving them does not mean accepting their ways. A Christian can love a murderer, a thief, or an adulturer but that does not mean whe should accept their ways as okay. Not everyone is destined for a marital relationship. This person is a traitor against Christ for speaking against Scriptural doctorine.
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I'm still a traitor? Lovely. And my lord, it's just one damn verse! This weird obsession most Christians have with it is why nobody likes Christians. Ever thought of that?
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You had better watch it, cursing at the Bible is a foul sin. You obviously demonstrate your lack of love for God by using His name in vain. The Bible said that there is a curse for anyone who tries to remove or add anything to the Bible.
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Cursing is as bad as rape and murder? You're no fun at all.
How do we know that nobody has been messing with the bible?
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Did you even know how advanced our modern research is? Our Biblical scholars have come out with the newest versions of the NIV, the King James, and the Catholic version and I see little to know difference with the John Wyclife translation of the Bible which happens to be the oldest translation that I can understand.
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Yeah, never read it.
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Be careful whatcha ask, no matter how simple or intelligent. Lil' Alter boy here blocked me because I tried to get some answers out of him. I asked a few questions regarding his *ahem* "disagreement" with gays. (not hate... disagreement XD)
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She isn't a traitor. She's a conservative too, you know. She has a heart. You can't compare to homosexuality to murder, thief, and other horrible things. That would be like saying like "If Left handers are natural, then so is murder, rapists, nazis, pedophiles, etc"
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For the last time, it is against the Scripture. You know, in the Middle Ages, distorting the Scripture was a capital crime.
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True, but this isn't Middle Ages anymore. We have technolgy now. Technology means equal rights now.
Gay rights means equal rights.
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Wrong!! The "Gay rights" would infringe on my religious freedom. It would strip my rights of adhearing to the Scripture and my freedom of religion would be gagged. There is a fine line between freedom and indulgence! People aren't born gay and the data is recorded here www.renewamerica.com/columns/f…. Plus, the government is trying to keep certain technologies out of the hands of the people, the same government who support gay indulgences. They already have equal rights for my rights to be gay are deprived and I don't mind. Plus, they aren't rounded up and thrown into work camps like they were by the Nazis. The Bible speaks out against homosexuality and I will follow it as is my duty as a Christian. Romans 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Now I believe the interpretation of my rights and freedom of religion declare that I am okay to follow this Scripture. Not only would this strip Christians of their religious freedom but Muslims as well.
2. Lesbianism means one woman doing to another something like that which a man does to a woman. Homosexuality means having intercourse with males in the back passage. This was the action of the accursed people of the Prophet of Allaah Loot (peace be upon him). In sharee’ah terminology it refers to inserting the tip of the penis into the anus of a male.
(al-Jawaab al-Kaafi, p. 115). \
Plus, I don't see equal rights being promoted despite the fact we have the most advanced technology on our hands. For a humanist, I expected better from you, to understand the teachings of the Renaissance and how they aren't being followed today.
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Bullshit I say! How would gay people being allowed to be married make Christians second class citizens?
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Not a very devout Catholic when you cuss out one who is adhearing to the Scripture.
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There's more to being a Catholic than that. Besides, what's a "bad" word anyway?
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I didn't choose to be asexual. Gay rights doesn't take away from religion. Yes, gay rights are equal rights! If you claim you support equal rights, then stop hating homosexuality. If not, then you don't support equal rights.
2. And? Not everyone wants kids.
And plus, Equal rights means people who are born with.
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How do you expect to claim that you support the freedom of religion and then turn around and say that Christians and Muslims have not the right to follow their own holy texts? You know nothing about equal rights. Why do you exclude Christians and Muslims when you talk of freedom? There is a fine line between freedom and indulgence. It is difficult to live by these texts and thus it is a lifestyle and a culture in itself.
You don't even know the concept of a human life so I can't truely take you seriously if you claim that I'm not supporting equal rights. You have shown no respect for my worldview, you have harassed me in a moment of peace, and you are trying to force my hand to go against what is my right under American law. I have done what I could to be civil in the process of explaining and defending my beliefs and you spat in my face. I have not told you what to believe, I was meerly corecting another who claimed they were a Christian. Oh, I have chosen a path of equal rights, Fluttershy. Perhaps you should have done the same.
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Quit playing victim, asshole.
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Don't side with the opressors. I'm through with people who trample on my Christian freedom and I won't comply with what they say. Why are you playing messenger pup for these people anyway?
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Dear straight, white, cisgender, Christian male...
YOU.
ARE.
NOT.
OPPRESSED.
You're being the oppressive arse, not them.
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What the hell is wrong with you?
HOMOPHOBE!
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No I'm not, I'm not afraid of them. What is wrong with you? Cussing at the Scripture, using God's name in vain, and one who cannot control their tounge? It is not very Christlike attitude and the Bible did say that we would know people by their fruits. Does it even shame you, to know just how foul your actions are after they are committed? At leaste I acknowledge when I did something wrong and I was wrong to be harsh to you in the first place. But I am still agaisnt sodomy.
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Swearing is normal. Homophobia doesn't mean fear of gays.
No, you did not.
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Yes it does, yes I did. What I have is not against them but their actions. I appologise for being harsh in the first place. If only you would be humane enough to offer forgiveness.
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I do know about equal rights. It means to respect gays, bis, trans, asexuals, straights, women, men, black, white etc. They are Christians that supports gay marriage.
Um, I do support equal rights. That I means I respect straights gays bis and trans. I'm not Harrasing you. I was giving you criticism.
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They aren't true Christians, they have abandoned some teachings in the scripture. Answer me this then, how am I supposed to be a Christian and not follow what the New Testament says? I have seen your profile and your support on infanticide, there is no way that is an equal right. You are only favoring one person over another. I thought that the American freedoms would have meant something to you.
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Blocking doesn't mean winning.
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Winning does not mean that they are right either.
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I do agree with her anyway.
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Sorry to intervene, but... sweetie, times sure are changing. "In the Middle Ages, distorting the Scripture was a capital crime". ... The "middle ages". But this isn't the middle ages. We're in present day forming our own opinions, and taking views on things. And many of us don't view Jesus as someone who would hate the homosexual community. It's kind of contradictory, don't you think?
Jesus taught to love EVERYONE, but somehow left out the gays? So... he DOESN'T love everyone? Isn't that... a little hypocritical? What reason would God or Jesus even have to leave out the gays anyway?
No one "chooses" to be gay, or lesbian, or bisexual. They choose a relationship. In other words, they choose to love. Why is that so difficult. "Love thy neighbor". What does it matter who they love? So long as they love and accept. That's exactly what Jesus taught... to love and accept. He never said WHO you must love or accept.
Besides, I'm sure if Jesus was alive today, I'm not sure he would be happy with people who claim to "love thy neighbor" and yet, openly hate those who love the same gender... either way, it's still more love than what you claim to be is "love".
And if your views are dated back at least 800+ years ago, then sweetie I'm sorry to say that you might always be another person who can't accept change, or something that's "different". I'm sure the Middle Ages would love to have you.
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Jesus taught us to love everyone. For the last time, I'm not a hatter for disagreeing with "gay marriage"! I love the people but I hate their actions. Saint Paul, a man enlightened by Christ, certainly spoke out against homosexuality in his letter to the Galatians. You are also twisting the Scripture and Revalation speaks of that as an act of heresy. Jesus told us to accept them everyone because they are people, not to accept their ways. The Bible also tells us that we must not be conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. If no one chose to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual then how come some people are ex-gays who have written about their life as a gay person and how they were delivered from that? Still think that it does not violate the God's will? Visit bible-truths.com/homosex.htm and learn the truth.
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You say you're not a... excuse me "hatter"? for disagreeing with gay marriage, but you also say you hate "their actions". What about "their actions" is so wrong? How are "their actions" different from anyone else's? And what do these "actions" entitle? Is it their attraction to the same gender, resulting in marriage? Because that seems like a pretty contradictory argument to make.
Being gay is not a choice. It's something you are born with. It may not be a gift, but it's not a sin either. It's something THEY are born with. You were born straight, and I accept that. Perhaps someone else was born gay, and I shall accept that too. Why? Because they are people. Their "actions" make them who THEY are as people. OUR actions make us who WE are as people. Did their birth defy God's will? It most certainly did not.
Also, so what if Saint Paul has been "enlightened"? If he's so "enlightened" by Christ, and is taught by Jesus to love, he wouldn't openly attack a group of people we're supposed to love equally. While we're on the subject, what does "renewing the mind" mean exactly? You say it means "to transform" and not "be conformed", but you clearly seem conformed to the opinions of another man who hates a group of people. I believe I have transformed. My mind is "renewed". I clearly see the hatred that goes on in the world based on the ignorance and close-minded attitudes of people like you, and my acceptance for anyone of any sexual orientation only grows stronger.
aww, and what about the members of the gay community who deserve a little love? What if their sexuality doesn't matter? What about people who are gay/lesbian/bisexual, and are just good people. They are nice, loving, respect their own religion, as well as the people around them, commit don't a sin or wrong-doing they can't fix? Does their sexual preference automatically put them on a bad list, simply because they were born to love the same gender? Does it really matter? I don't think it would matter to God, or Jesus.
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My sourcess tell me otherwise that people aren't born gay. There are people who are ex-gays www.renewamerica.com/columns/f…. Need I also remind you that in Romans chapter 1 there are verses that speak out against homosexuality. Paul had a confrontation with Jesus himself and he realized the love of Christ then. I have told you time and time again that disagreeing does not mean hating and Paul also knew that but obviously you will never learn. I hold to the fact that the Bible is the Word of God and I'm not going to disobey my God in this matter. Saint Paul himself also learned from the Disciples of Jesus, the love of a Disciple after his life was turned arround. I should also remind you that the comment I made was over a couple of months ago, replying to something like that is basically a waste of time. I wish to be left alone now.
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Sir, didn't god say " Love thy neighbor" or something? Besides, Homosexuality was just thought of as a sin because you and your fellow cathlinicks are reading a sentence the wrong way.
oh, and i'm not going against scriptices or whatever, because I actually am not catholic.
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I love them but I hate the decisions they make. My loving them does not mean I have to agree with their lifestyle. By the way, I am Christian but I'm not Catholic. I'm a Protestant.
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Sexuality isn't a choice, genius. When did you choose to be straight?
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I meant the choice to not have a sexual relationship with a man. One can still refrain from that. I'm not going to try and change the Scriptures because of a malfunction in nature. Sin put nature out of balance.
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Oh, and why should they sentenced to a life without having a relationship, being in love, having a family?
In the grand scheme of things, it's really not that important.
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Why are you, a member of the church, going against the Scripture. Have you not read Leviticus?
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Of course, but Leviticus also told me not to eat bacon.
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So, because Christ fulfilled the law, that gives you the right to totally disregard Leviticus?
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Just the stuff that makes no sense.
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Have you read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11?
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, ...
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It did not say homosexuality, it said effeminate. They didn't have a word for it back then.
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Same meaning and different translations.
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How would gay people marrying effect your life?
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Freedom of religion would be gagged.
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